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Okay I wanna see the look on his face as he's walking into a shed to skim over 150 documents. I don't think he'd be taking that in stride.
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Aug 23, 2022 04:59
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So, essentially since the documents seized don’t belong to Donald, and we know this because he says they are covered by executive privilege which implies they belong to the government, and special masters are used to protect documents which are yours and privileged then this motion is expected to be quickly denied? Essentially, this document is another method to spread propaganda (trump is being oppressed by the government) by abusing the rules, “I filed a very good motion, the best, and the crooked judge denied it”
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Aug 23, 2022 05:29
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Murgos posted:So, essentially since the documents seized don’t belong to Donald, and we know this because he says they are covered by executive privilege which implies they belong to the government, and special masters are used to protect documents which are yours and privileged then this motion is expected to be quickly denied? Yes, saying "these are covered by executive privilege and thus they belong to me" is just saying "I'm the real president so they belong to me" in a fancier way. Charlz Guybon fucked around with this message at 06:09 on Aug 23, 2022 |
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Aug 23, 2022 05:40
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Charlz Guybon posted:Yes, saying "these are covered by executive privilege and thus they belong to me" is just saying "I'm the real president so they belong to me" in a fancier way. so is insisting only one of the passports is expired come to think of it he never conceded the 2020 election and some effort was made to reconstruct the oval office inside mar-a-lago, innit? Or am I misremembering here... e- mind you his strategy isn't to use this argument in the courts and win; his strategy is to delay the courts indefinitely while convincing a hoard of violent thugs carrying his flag to seize every office. And he carefully chooses his words so as to never discourage that band of lunatics.
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Aug 23, 2022 06:08
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https://mobile.twitter.com/emptywheel/status/1561822244086714368 https://mobile.twitter.com/emptywheel/status/1561825193772843012
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Aug 23, 2022 06:09
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Well it's disappointing if he's not going to be representing himself. On the other hand, judging by his crack lawyer team, that might not make much of a difference. I'm still in awe that after getting away with so much, he just... steals a ton of government documents and is now likely to get nailed for it. Just incredible.
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Aug 23, 2022 09:19
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Aug 23, 2022 09:21
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A former President trying to assert a claim of executive privilege against the current President is some real pretzel-brained chutzpah even for a lawyer working for Trump.
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Aug 23, 2022 09:35
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mobby_6kl posted:I'm still in awe that after getting away with so much, he just... steals a ton of government documents and is now likely to get nailed for it. Just incredible. Hes still a free man so.....
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Aug 23, 2022 10:46
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SAP docs, just like we thought. Those can't even be declassified in the normal way.
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NYT is reporting the feds recovered more than 300 classified documents from Mar-A-Lago so far this year. The first set from January included over 150 classified, TS/SCI, and SAP documents, including material from the FBI, NSA, and CIA. https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1561871242164068353 And the federal Grand Jury investigating Trump and J6 just issued another subpoena to NARA for more records from that time. The previous subpoena only covered documents they'd already turned over to the House committee. https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1561860320804478976
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Aug 24, 2022 00:07
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Documents: There's always more and they're always worse.
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The Trump-appointed judge that didn't issue the search warrant, but who was sent the request for a special master review, has told them "go back to law school... and follow procedure". First, explain your request and why this court should still in (rambling bullshit didn't work). Second, explain how this would affect the decisions being made by the judge in charge, yeah that other one you didn't appoint but who issued the warrant and is reviewing the redaction/publication question. "Amateur hour": Task undertaken by poorly trained, non professional. See also "Trump legal filings", https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/23/politics/trump-special-master-deadline/index.html vvv Superb! Why don't they just find him in contempt for wasting the court's time? PhantomOfTheCopier fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Aug 24, 2022 |
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Aug 24, 2022 01:32
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PhantomOfTheCopier posted:The Trump-appointed judge that didn't issue the search warrant, but who was sent the request for a special master review, has told them "go back to law school... and follow procedure". First, explain your request and why this court should still in (rambling bullshit didn't work). Second, explain how this would affect the decisions being made by the judge in charge, yeah that other one you didn't appoint but who issued the warrant and is reviewing the redaction/publication question. If this is the best response he can get from a super Trumpy judge, that's all you need to know. https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1562194743131377664 https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1562196229357838337
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Aug 24, 2022 01:40
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It really speaks to just how many lawyers Trump must have burned through over the years that these chucklefucks are his representation.
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Aug 24, 2022 04:42
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The Lord of Hats posted:It really speaks to just how many lawyers Trump must have burned through over the years that these chucklefucks are his representation. What does it matter? He's not in jail and likely won't ever be. Mock his lawyers all you want. If he was a poor minority woman he'd be shot dead by now. He's a free man.
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Aug 24, 2022 04:46
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Jaxyon posted:What does it matter? He's not in jail and likely won't ever be. We're talking about an ex-president stealing classified documents from the government and keeping a cache of nuclear secrets in his basement. It's a fairly unique situation, and really not comparable to whatever you're trying to compare it to here.
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Aug 24, 2022 05:08
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If he did take the epstein kompromat master file that he had the fbi take from epstein before having epstein killed in a federal facility, and the fbi took it back in the raid - can Trump be charged with possession of child pornography?
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Aug 24, 2022 05:11
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Main Paineframe posted:We're talking about an ex-president stealing classified documents from the government and keeping a cache of nuclear secrets in his basement. It's a fairly unique situation, and really not comparable to whatever you're trying to compare it to here. Yes and that's going to protect him so what does having lovely lawyers matter? He won't see the inside of a jail. People are laughing at him hiring buffoons, but he understands it won't matter at all.
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Aug 24, 2022 05:13
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Main Paineframe posted:We're talking about an ex-president stealing classified documents from the government and keeping a cache of nuclear secrets in his basement. It's a fairly unique situation, and really not comparable to whatever you're trying to compare it to here. Trump is the very definition of an "outside context problem", a guy who managed to commit not just crimes that people didn't even consider would be crimes or possible crimes, but he also committed a fuckton of them. It has something of a gobsmacking and discombobulating effect on the people whose jobs it is to try and prosecute this kind of stuff because they have to make it up as they go along because this is about as close as the US justice system will probably get to something like prosecuting Thanos, a guy who can wave his hand and walk through walls and turn people into jack-in-the-boxs or silly strings or bubbles... how the gently caress do you prosecute that? Is that a crime? Can you even PUT Thanos in hand cuffs? We just don't know. That said, it's been two years now. The time for picking one's jaw up off the floor, nutting up, and just loving prosecuting the super villain who killed half of the people visiting Times Square by turning them into rubber duckies with his hosed up super powers is long past. nine-gear crow fucked around with this message at 05:28 on Aug 24, 2022 |
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Aug 24, 2022 05:26
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Jaxyon posted:Yes and that's going to protect him so what does having lovely lawyers matter? He's hiring buffoons because that's the only people that will get any where near him. He's legally radioactive. I'm still of the opinion that the DOJ is not in anyway loving around and you don't take the steps already taken if you aren't going to go all the way. Don't aim for the king and miss yada yada.
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cr0y posted:He's hiring buffoons because that's the only people that will get any where near him. He's legally radioactive. I'm very confident that the DoJ believes they made sure it was a good shot before they took it. But everything is meaningless now so I'm very wary that what they consider certain isn't for whatever other nonsense happens.
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Aug 24, 2022 05:30
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cr0y posted:He's hiring buffoons because that's the only people that will get any where near him. He's legally radioactive. He could hire good lawyers. For enough up front money, someone would take his case. He doesn't care. He knows he's not ending up in jail.
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In the absolute worst-case scenario for him he pushes pieces until he dies of old age, being technically convicted but never having actually served a day.
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Aug 24, 2022 05:47
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Jaxyon posted:He doesn't care. He knows he's not ending up in jail. Even if he's not going to end up in jail, nothing we know about trump suggests that he would ever, ever, ever in a million years be calm and collected about this enough to not care and conclude "I'm definitely not ending up in jail"
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Jaxyon posted:He could hire good lawyers. For enough up front money, someone would take his case. Trump is cheap as poo poo and has a 50 year record of screwing everyone he hires out of ever seeing a complete and promised paycheck. Even if he had the money to lawyer up with the best of the best, the will to spend that money to get the best is just not there.
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Kavros posted:Even if he's not going to end up in jail, nothing we know about trump suggests that he would ever, ever, ever in a million years be calm and collected about this enough to not care and conclude "I'm definitely not ending up in jail" I think he's afraid and panicking he might lose a lot of money, but I think it's more likely he fears being assassinated by someone he's in debt to than he fears going to jail. I cannot imagine any series of events where is tried, convicted, and sentenced, and then where Biden does not pardon him. Like at this point I'm willing to say I was wrong and I think it's likely they will charge him with crimes and that these charges will probably go to trial, but I still not believe there is any plausible future in which President Donald J. Trump serves time inside of a prison. EDIT: I think he also cares, even more than losing money, about losing face from being charged with a crime in this manner. RoboChrist 9000 fucked around with this message at 05:55 on Aug 24, 2022 |
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Aug 24, 2022 05:52
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He literally just has to stall with bullshit until he becomes president in 2 years and clears himself of all wrongdoing.
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Jaxyon posted:He literally just has to stall with bullshit until he becomes president in 2 years and clears himself of all wrongdoing. If he wins, or when ever the next republican gets in there's a fair chance they'll just do it. Honestly their seems very few republicans who might run that wouldn't, wither they be Trump aligned or just see it as an easy way of showing to their base they're ain't democratic enough, who wouldn't.
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Aug 24, 2022 06:59
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:I cannot imagine any series of events where is tried, convicted, and sentenced, and then where Biden does not pardon him. He well might no longer be president by then. But not even Biden (or GOP presidents) can pardon state crimes. New York is unclear now, but the criminal investigation in Georgia is still moving forward and subpoenaing more co-conspirators.
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Trump absolutely cares because his ego is the size of the moon and he will have nothing, nothing ever suggest that something about him isn't super perfect and the best. He's definitely cheap, and it's incredible anyone will work for him given he just doesn't pay people, but in Trump's mind his lawyers are the best money can buy, better than any other lawyers because they're his. This lasts until the exact moment he realizes they've failed him, or, worse, humiliated him in some meaningless way, at which point they've personally betrayed him and anything that has gone wrong is entirely their fault. I don't know how, in tyool 2022, people still think Donald J. Trump is capable of letting even the smallest, most harmless slights against him go. He keeps throwing little baby tantrums on his dumb Twitter clone about how bad and mean everyone is being toward him, rage-Truthing through committee hearings and whining about Hunter Biden's laptop. Yes, he may be untouchable, and his lawyers being incompetent dipshits may mean naught at all, but don't for a single moment believe that he's anything but infuriated each and every time something like this happens. To Trump, even the existence of an investigation into him is an unforgivable offense.
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Uglycat posted:If he did take the epstein kompromat master file that he had the fbi take from epstein before having epstein killed in a federal facility, and the fbi took it back in the raid - can Trump be charged with possession of child pornography? Lmao
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Uglycat posted:If he did take the epstein kompromat master file that he had the fbi take from epstein before having epstein killed in a federal facility, and the fbi took it back in the raid - can Trump be charged with possession of child pornography? Lol, but it would be hilarious if they had solid evidence linking him to the Lolita Express like Epstein's Blackmail folder, and it got revealed because of the investigation. But we all know Prince Andrew was the one behind it, so no lmqo for us. /s
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:I think he's afraid and panicking he might lose a lot of money, but I think it's more likely he fears being assassinated by someone he's in debt to than he fears going to jail. Probably, but he fears all of it all the time in an endless void of aggressive, narcissistic outrage, regardless of the plausibility. In every situation in which he is actually immensely privileged and surrounded by absurdly impenetrable class armor against meaningful legal consequence against his liberty and quality of life, any semblance of pseudoaccountability throws him into absolutely unimaginable fits of rage, which many people have detailed in excess and which I would love to have ever seen captured on video. He could have a zero percent chance of going to jail over this and he'll still flip his loving poo poo over it like he was going to if he didn't have an absolute category 10 narcissistic injury episode about it for days
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Jaxyon posted:Yes and that's going to protect him so what does having lovely lawyers matter? 40% of the country would go f-ing nuts if Trump actually was convicted of any crime. A portion of that population will resort to serious violence. Of course backing down from bringing Trump to justice won’t make this problem go away. Passport? Check.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/rgoodlaw/status/1562274721923833856 https://mobile.twitter.com/rgoodlaw/status/1562245802617085952 Charlz Guybon fucked around with this message at 12:41 on Aug 24, 2022 |
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Aug 24, 2022 12:37
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And of course Fox News is still saying the "little librarian woman" Archivist overstepped and cried to the FBI on Trump because she didn't like him and a liberal anarchist judge allowed it, all when Trump just wanted to make a Presidential library. And they let CLINTON keep documents!
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I wish we could force Fox to rename their channel. They're not a news channel. They're a channel full of talking heads who argue via assertion. There's no actual reporting, no analysis, no thinking. It's just buzzword-laden anger and people saying what they want to be true. We need more companies like Dominion to start suing the poo poo out of Fox and Murdoch's private little empire for the lies that platform continues to push. The First Amendment does not guarantee lack of any consequences for anything said.
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