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Are the French going to be mad that we're edging in on their imaginary bomber contracts with Australia? Brandon better get ready to apologize to de Gaulle or whomever he thinks the president of France is.
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palindrome posted:Are the French going to be mad that we're edging in on their imaginary bomber contracts with Australia? Brandon better get ready to apologize to de Gaulle or whomever he thinks the president of France is.
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Danann posted:https://twitter.com/ASPI_org/status/1561964621564870657 im sure that another plane that only works against countries with no real air defences is exactly what the aussies need right now
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Also the whole point of the b2/21 was preemptive nuclear strikes, unless the Aussies have a nuclear weapons program it is sort of useless unless they want to bomb the Solomon Islands with some flair.
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indigi posted:I’m fairly certain I could drive a tank as good as an average soldier after about 3 hours of practice it's not like you can really crash the thing. anything you hit is just destroyed, and the owner can talk to your machiene guns
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Ardennes posted:unless they want to bomb the Solomon Islands with some flair.
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https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1562288820078673922 I did not realize the US had a base in Syria
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isn't there rumblings of a deal between turkey and syria soon
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crepeface posted:isn't there rumblings of a deal between turkey and syria soon the only “rumbling” is my tummy from eating an entire thing of hummus after forgetting to pack the beanzyme
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Filthy Hans posted:https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1562288820078673922 the US might have as many as 10 or 11 bases in Syria
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crepeface posted:isn't there rumblings of a deal between turkey and syria soon more serious, I just saw on tv the head of the great unification (?) party (büyük birlik partisi), which is allied to AKP, say *something* is in the works with the objective of sending Syrian refugees back to Syria. that’s a rumble
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indigi posted:I’m fairly certain I could drive a tank as good as an average soldier after about 3 hours of practice they are meant to be driven by dipshit 19-year olds after all
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Ardennes posted:Also the whole point of the b2/21 was preemptive nuclear strikes, unless the Aussies have a nuclear weapons program it is sort of useless unless they want to bomb the Solomon Islands with some flair. It is tres modern.
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Oh my God I just realized the B2 is shaped like a boomarang.
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fittingly enough as when you toss your b-2 at the enemy you’ll have something coming back
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https://twitter.com/snekotron/status/1562535912428318722 the us army still only has stingers and patriots with bad track record for air defense right?
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Danann posted:https://twitter.com/snekotron/status/1562535912428318722 As far as land based defenses go, yes, but the US Navy is better equipped. The problem is they would also be bombarded with waves of supersonic missiles while drones would be mostly used to soak up their air defense systems (CIWS systems are usually last resort). Also, Iranian cruise missile strikes have shown to be very effective. Usually where Iran is weak is more conventional warfare specifically air superiority fighters and capital ships. I am kind of surprised the Iranians just don’t buy some old PLAN ships at this point as China continues to modernize. (Also, the Iranians eventually would probably be interested in buying the SU-75). That said, the Persian Gulf is going to be invariably controlled by the Iranians.
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the iranian navy has everything a navy needs unless it wants to land large amounts of troops somewhere they have boats with asms, boats with sams, boats with 4.5 in guns and diesel electric subs you don't actually need more than that unless you're trying to win the superpower olympics
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Ardennes posted:As far as land based defenses go, yes, but the US Navy is better equipped. The problem is they would also be bombarded with waves of supersonic missiles while drones would be mostly used to soak up their air defense systems (CIWS systems are usually last resort). Also, Iranian cruise missile strikes have shown to be very effective. There were years when this wasn't true because Iran had F-14s armed with the Phoenix missile which would outrange anything else in the air; when the US retired the F-14 no other American fighter could carry that behemoth so any hypothetical air strike over Iran would've been dicey because US aircraft would be quite outranged. I don't think it's an issue any more since stealth fighters are a thing, although actually getting those in the air is a huge trial. If you've never seen an F-14 in person, they are absolutely huge, twice as big as what you'd expect a fighter to be. 63 feet long. edit: the Phoenix missile that only the F-14 could carry weighed over half a ton, had a range of over 100 miles, and went up to Mach 5, edging into hypersonic missile territory. It was a radar-guided missile, I would guess that part of the reason it was retired is that no other fighter had a radar big enough to track targets that far away. Also, if Wikipedia is to be believed, the only country to ever actually fire the Phoenix missile in anger was Iran, during their war with Iraq. Filthy Hans has issued a correction as of 05:10 on Aug 26, 2022 |
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Filthy Hans posted:edit: the Phoenix missile that only the F-14 could carry weighed over half a ton, had a range of over 100 miles, and went up to Mach 5, edging into hypersonic missile territory. It was a radar-guided missile, I would guess that part of the reason it was retired is that no other fighter had a radar big enough to track targets that far away. Also, if Wikipedia is to be believed, the only country to ever actually fire the Phoenix missile in anger was Iran, during their war with Iraq. This is more of a theoretical range gap than a practical one, they are so huge they lose energy quickly and are not very effective past 50mi. Even down to 25mi or so you're going to need some luck or very high altitude for it to hit a properly trained pilot. Pryor on Fire has issued a correction as of 05:43 on Aug 26, 2022 |
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can iran make new ones? i think the Shahs old stockpiles are probably expired by now
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iran has s-300s these days if they have to pot yankee planes
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Iraq carried out multiple air strikes against Iranian cities while Iran was using the F-14 for air defense so obviously just having a range advantage by itself is not a guarantor of success, although it certainly helps
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KomradeX posted:Ukrainian Top Medic is about how best to cover up your tattoos in a Russian POW camp
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Rutibex posted:can iran make new ones? i think the Shahs old stockpiles are probably expired by now iirc they reverse-engineered a domestic version that was put into mass production some time ago
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if the newest Top Gun is any indication those F-14s are still perfectly flyable and deadly non-joke response: IIRC the Iranians were using the F-14s as makeshift AWACS at one time because they had the most powerful radars available in their arsenal
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https://twitter.com/ComradeAmongus/status/1562835431460605953quote:KN-06 Surface to Air Missile - Toe the Line In Juche news, it turns out they have a indigenous S-300 equivalent.
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Danann posted:https://twitter.com/ComradeAmongus/status/1562835431460605953 They don't have to worry about the F-35, it'll knock itself out
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Filthy Hans posted:If you've never seen an F-14 in person, they are absolutely huge, twice as big as what you'd expect a fighter to be. 63 feet long. 
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Filthy Hans posted:There were years when this wasn't true because Iran had F-14s armed with the Phoenix missile which would outrange anything else in the air; when the US retired the F-14 no other American fighter could carry that behemoth so any hypothetical air strike over Iran would've been dicey because US aircraft would be quite outranged. I don't think it's an issue any more since stealth fighters are a thing, although actually getting those in the air is a huge trial. Iran has more F-14s in service now because Russia and China helped them set up an aviation industry that can make parts. They’ve been taking airframes tens of hours on them out of cosmoline and essentially have brand new aircraft. Similarly, in the past ten years they’ve been able to not only start using the Phoenix again but make their own, put some nice Russian avionics in the F-14, it’s all really neat. To be honest I believed a lot of the stuff about Iran but when they carry out projects like this, I think it shows a well directed state, military and industry. America, for reference, can’t make more F-22s because the tooling is broken up. Iran was able to build all of this infrastructure without the original plans. That’s really impressive.
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That's nice that it broke down so quickly you can watch the tugboats push it back from the shoreline. Sounds like a pleasant day trip for the family.
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Pryor on Fire posted:That's nice that it broke down so quickly you can watch the tugboats push it back from the shoreline. Sounds like a pleasant day trip for the family. wait what i like neoliberalism now????
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Filthy Hans posted:https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1562288820078673922 It's how they're stealing the country's oil
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paul_soccer12 posted:It's how they're stealing the country's oil the logistics of oil don’t work that way.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:the logistics of oil don’t work that way. Controlling oil fields isn’t important to the logistics of owning oil?
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Danann posted:https://twitter.com/ComradeAmongus/status/1562835431460605953 It is an interesting question of how North Korea would actually fare in a war at this point if they were able to secure their supply lines. While the DPRK would be completely defensive in the air with a largely obsolete Air Force, a large number of modern long range launchers would certainly help them contest it. It seems like most of the offensive work then would be done by the large number of artillery and MRLS launchers have built up years which may actually give the South Koreans a ton of trouble especially if North Korea was able to play the attrition game. It is an interesting scenario at this point.
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Ardennes posted:It is an interesting question of how North Korea would actually fare in a war at this point if they were able to secure their supply lines. While the DPRK would be completely defensive in the air with a largely obsolete Air Force, a large number of modern long range launchers would certainly help them contest it. south koreas entire population is within range of a massive network of north korean weapons. any hostility getting out of hand and the south is toast.
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