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I got my first IT job at 31 doing help desk. I could have stuck around and got experience doing other stuff and made more moves in IT but for various reasons I went back to my old career field with plans to return to IT after a bit more schooling. The toughest part was getting that first job. Took several months in the middle of COVID. All I had was certs (A+, Net+, Sec+) and a background in calibrating random electronic equipment. It's certainly doable if you're still in your 30s, there's been many goons who've done the same thing in IT threads in SH/SC.
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Greetings from the healthcare side— I’m trying to figure out the next step in my career, because the job I’m working now has some strong upsides but it’s loving exhausting and doesn’t pay near enough. I’m a nurse supervisor living in Seattle. I make about $77k take-home, which around here is pretty tight, especially as a single parent working full time. Before this job I was a bedside ICU RN, moved to an outpatient clinic, then got coaxed into taking the newly open nurse supe role by the new manager, who immediately left. I had 22 direct reports, no leadership experience, and a supportive but overwhelmed director as my only help. This was in January 2020, so you know what came next. I served as interim manager through the first eight months of the pandemic, then we hired a terrible manager who did absolutely nothing and left me to keep doing it all before literally disappearing nine months later, leaving me interim manager again. I loving hate being manager, so I was incredibly grateful when we hired a new one this year that’s really skilled and good to work with. I think everyone was worried that I would be upset that they didn’t hire me, but hooooly poo poo I hate being a manager. The problem is that the expected next step in my career is, apparently, becoming a manager. I now have 48 direct reports, co-chair a major committee in the org, and have built a team culture so solid that during a nationwide nurse staffing crisis, we have travelers begging to extend their contracts until a permanent slot opens up. I have tremendous pride in the unit I’ve helped build and I care about my staff deeply. I hate the thought of leaving, but I’m a pretty frugal person and I’m still living paycheck to paycheck after a family crisis this summer wiped out my $4000 life savings. (Yes, that is FOUR THOUSAND DOLLARS.) I could get paid better in a nurse supe role elsewhere in town, but the hospital network that’s offering mad cash is also notorious for being an awful place to work. I don’t mind going back to school to get my masters, but I don’t want to risk more debt without a clear path forward. Everyone keeps telling me to move up the management track, but… I hate being the manager lol. And it’s not like nurse managers are making bank either. How do I move forward without moving straight up into a job I loathe?
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Are there other hospitals other than the mad cash hospital network that'll still be a bump over what you've got now even if it's not as much? That might not be your only option. What about transitioning away from the ICU to a different unit with more stable hours? Burnout in healthcare is a huge problem and it sounds like you're already hitting that wall with your current role. The money is one thing, but how long will you be earning it if you're just going to want to leave ASAP because that place is a miserable hell hole?
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Oh I already left ICU, this is an outpatient procedural unit and a stable 9-5, and it’s about the cushiest RN supe job in existence aside from the pay. I could catch maybe a 10k/yr bump in pay if I did this job for an inpatient unit, but as you say, at what cost? Then I’d just be working the same exhausting job with no apparent path forward besides management. I guess I just wonder how to leave the management track without returning to hourly bedside nursing. I know it’s probably specific to my field, but I’m curious about whether others have made that leap in this or other fields— from leadership/supervision to something totally different without going back down the ladder— and how that works?
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I don’t have any actual career advice, just want to say holy poo poo, $77k and 48 direct reports, plus all of that other madness that doesn’t seem sustainable. kudos for building everything you have so far, I would imagine there are other fields that you could make more given your experience but that’s probably not what you’re looking for either.
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elise the great posted:Oh I already left ICU, this is an outpatient procedural unit and a stable 9-5, and it’s about the cushiest RN supe job in existence aside from the pay. I could catch maybe a 10k/yr bump in pay if I did this job for an inpatient unit, but as you say, at what cost? Then I’d just be working the same exhausting job with no apparent path forward besides management. Have you considered some of the non-management RN-requiring/suggested admin positions like patient advocacy or even EMR/clinical business analyst jobs? You won’t start from scratch. I went from the clinical lab to health IT and it was a pretty good move for quality of life.
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BadSamaritan posted:Have you considered some of the non-management RN-requiring/suggested admin positions like patient advocacy or even EMR/clinical business analyst jobs? You won’t start from scratch. I went from the clinical lab to health IT and it was a pretty good move for quality of life. Even outside of just EMRs, medical device companies often have clinical specialist jobs that are usually filled by RNs and have pretty good salaries/better work life balance from what I've heard.
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sticksy posted:I don’t have any actual career advice, just want to say holy poo poo, $77k and 48 direct reports, plus all of that other madness that doesn’t seem sustainable. Totally open to suggestions outside my field too, tbh, as long as it’s not management looool BadSamaritan posted:Have you considered some of the non-management RN-requiring/suggested admin positions like patient advocacy or even EMR/clinical business analyst jobs? You won’t start from scratch. I went from the clinical lab to health IT and it was a pretty good move for quality of life. I’ve thought about working for Epic but after seeing the absolute nightmare that the Epic analysts went through trying to build our poo poo out here, I’d have to have a pretty stellar testimonial about a job like that. Health IT sounds interesting, I do love me some systems work… Mr Luxury Yacht posted:Even outside of just EMRs, medical device companies often have clinical specialist jobs that are usually filled by RNs and have pretty good salaries/better work life balance from what I've heard. I know a couple folks that have gone rep but they always seem to skip jobs within six months. Maybe I’ll give that another go, especially w the knowledge and experience I’ve gained here about scopes and other tech. Thank y’all for responding btw, I’m realizing just from writing that how much I’m ready for something new. It’s pretty validating to hear that my salary and direct report load isn’t just or for the course.
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elise the great posted:Thank y’all for responding btw, I’m realizing just from writing that how much I’m ready for something new. It’s pretty validating to hear that my salary and direct report load isn’t just or for the course. Yeah, your salary is like "Spent 10 years in prison so this is the best job I can get" level for that workload (shoutout to an old circuit city store manager I worked for). I think you need to look at it the other way though. You're asking where you can go but I am not sure you'll get a lot of useful advice. You need to start looking at where you want to get to, what're your priorities, and then maybe you can get good advice on how to start towards that. I'd also say that I have been managing people for almost 15 years and I'd never take a job where I had 22 (or 48!) direct reports. It's entirely possible that your disdain for management isn't management, but management at your current place which apparently tries to murder their front-line leadership.
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That’s good advice. Tbh I never in a million years expected to end up where I am now— my goals have always been “don’t starve or become homeless again” and maybe “have a nice yard with a garden.” I’d love to work a job that lets me work from home part of the time, or doesn’t require me to be up super early. I like working with systems and improving processes; I like having large projects that I can work on and complete. I guess I don’t know what’s out there and I genuinely don’t know how to find out. This is why you shouldn’t homeschool your kids lmfao, we grow up LOST AS gently caress
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elise the great posted:That’s good advice. Tbh I never in a million years expected to end up where I am now— my goals have always been “don’t starve or become homeless again” and maybe “have a nice yard with a garden.” I’d love to work a job that lets me work from home part of the time, or doesn’t require me to be up super early. I like working with systems and improving processes; I like having large projects that I can work on and complete. I guess I don’t know what’s out there and I genuinely don’t know how to find out. Have you looked into healthcare consulting at all? Part of my job is working with a larger team of consultants doing assessments on hospitals. With your experience, you’ll probably be more on-the-ground, flying to different areas (and being based in Seattle, long flights!) but figuring out what they’re doing poorly and offering suggestions fits in with working with systems and improving processes. If there were particular things you did to save time or money, throw that on your resume. “Created process to increase case percentages having pre-op drugs ordered and ready for patient checkin from 47% to 87%”, “Worked with supply chain’s case cart picking to eliminate OR staff grabbing the wrong case cart,” stuff like that. You’ll want to add in a bit about management, but only enough to show you understand the political nature of how to get things accomplished.
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Posting here because I think it's the best place for it? I'm not a BFC regular, so sorry if it would be better elsewhere. tl;dr: I'm being brought into an opportunity that, if I don't screw it up, might be exactly what I've wanted from my job so I'd love advice on not screwing it up. All the background: I've been working at my company for ~7 years. The branch is not much older than that, and when I started, I was in an IT role that nobody wanted: they neglected it while getting the branch up, never circled back to it, and quickly became the biggest branch, so our parent company had nobody that could transfer in and just do it, nor did any of the parent company's processes work for it. I took it because I needed a job, and it sucked: $15/hr and no support. So I figured I didn't care if I got fired, because it sucked, and they weren't likely to fire me anyway, because nobody else wanted to do it, especially not for $15/hr. So I just tore apart what they had and rebuilt it my way. It worked. I went from four-week turnarounds to one-week turnarounds to, by the time I left the position, sub-24-hour turnarounds. The business loved me, IT started to as well. I went from "getting handed down the info my manager was getting in leadership-type meetings" to being in those meetings and contributing meaningfully. I was still underpaid (I did get a promotion and was around $21/hr by the time I left the role) but I had the reputation. IT started to nudge me toward supervisor spots, and I applied for a couple, but I felt like supervisor was kind of a dead-end for me: I was already working cross-department with managers and directors on big-picture stuff and getting results, and while I certainly wouldn't mind having reports, I didn't want to move toward "stop doing what I'm good at and micromanage instead." There was an ongoing issue (basically since branch opening) that we were 40% out of compliance on and never getting better, and every PM and VIP who tried to run a project to fix it failed. I was annoyed by it, too, and while it was tangential to my actual duties, four years ago I figured I'd throw my spare time at it; it was something new, I thought I had a good sense of which teams needed to be working on it and what input they needed to progress on it, and, hell, I couldn't fail worse than anybody else had, right? And I didn't. Five years hovering around 40% OOC, and less than a year after I stepped in we were under 1% and the business was ecstatic. That was the push that got me promoted out of the role I was in and onto the branch's engineering team, with a more appropriate salary. I've been in this role three years now, which is basically "engineer with a side of at-large problem-solver," and have been doing great work and getting better recognition for it (I got a 40% raise when I took the position, got promoted again to lead midway through, and so my current salary is 45% above that). But after the promotion to lead, my reviews got on the "OK, what next?" train. My sup, who's great and very supportive, has been nudging me back toward supervisor stuff for lack of better options; I'm a lead engineer now and there just isn't much past engineer here, especially when, like me, you're the less-technical type of engineer. So I've taken supervisor trainings and massaged my quarterly self-reviews in that direction, but it still didn't feel right. But it's not like I can skip supe and just be a manager, right? Well... Friday, the IT VP (from the parent company, overseeing IT at every branch) reached out to me specifically and asked for a meeting, which was somewhat nerve-wracking. We'd spoken... once? before? And that was in a group setting, not one-on-one. She asked for my background, I gave her the stuff above, and she told me what was going on. She's tired of communication failures, changes falling through the gaps, starting up branches that have to reinvent the wheel, etc. She wants to put together a team reporting to her that can handle these and other problems, and be the go-to resource for branches that still struggle and new branches that need help. She reached out to her subordinates to get suggestions on who could be on this team, and literally everyone in my chain of command pointed at me and said "this is the person who should run that team, and here's why." In her words, "you took a job nobody else wanted and you reinvented it, you took on an 'unsolvable' issue just because you could and you solved it, you've succeeded in two different jobs now doing things nobody else in the company does. I think they're right." -- Advancement from where I am now? Check. -- Keep doing what I've been good at? Check. -- Opens up further opportunities down the road? I like my branch, but moving to the parent company has to be a check here. -- Skip supervisor and be a manager? She's a VP, I can't imagine her having a direct report below manager level, so tentative check. Worst case here, it's still a new title on my resume. Obviously I told her I'd be delighted, I'm thrilled to be considered and excited about working with her and the possibilities here. She wanted me on board now because we're doing this from the ground up: informally, C-suite likes the idea and supports her, but formally, they haven't approved anything yet. Downside is that means nothing is guaranteed and this could all fall apart, so I'm taking nothing for granted here, and it also means I'm still doing my old job while we build this. Upside is I get the maximum amount of input possible into building this, and get to show off to the VP how great I am in the process, increasing the likelihood that I land in a really great position instead of "just" a good one, assuming I don't screw up. So... how do I not screw up? Anxiety is starting to take over and tell me "this might be above my talent level," "I might not know what I'm doing," "my screwups will be super visible," "this could all go wrong and I'd lose what looks like the perfect opportunity." What should I be doing now? How do I not overextend myself but also sell myself at the highest level? Does anyone have experience with this kind of transition? What are the right ways to say things? Help!
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It's very unclear to me as to whether this is manager-in-title-only or an actual managerial role. If it's the latter, I notice you've said absolutely nothing about managing people or building a team, which, yikes.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:It's very unclear to me as to whether this is manager-in-title-only or an actual managerial role. If it's the latter, I notice you've said absolutely nothing about managing people or building a team, which, yikes. It would be actual managerial, but we're so early on that we don't know for sure how many people or how they'd be distributed. That's going to be a little back and forth of what we want vs. what we'll get approval for; we have meetings scheduled to put together "what do we want" and then to justify that against "what do they want to approve." In terms of my own experience? I've never had reports under me in any position, this would be the first time. I've taken quite a bit of training at this point (both offered by my workplace and from outside sources), and I've led teams on individual projects, both assigned and self-assembled, but nobody's ever had me signing their timesheet. disaster pastor fucked around with this message at 22:52 on Sep 26, 2022 |
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Sep 26, 2022 22:49
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Does she know that you don't have supervisory experience?
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ultrafilter posted:Does she know that you don't have supervisory experience? Yes, she got my full job history from my bosses and went over it with me again in our meeting. She knows that I don't have any experience, but she also highlighted the times I "took point."
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Why didn't you move in to a supervisory role earlier when you had the opportunity to do so?
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If every manager had to have managed before there would be no managers... OP I would push to get into the new role ASAP as you want it. get out of the doing two jobs situation.
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spwrozek posted:If every manager had to have managed before there would be no managers... Do this but be aware that supervision/management is very different from being an individual contributor, seek out a mentor if at all possible and also get some resources, training, and books.
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For sure. I made the transition 6 years ago. My boss was clear on cutting off the old job as quick as possible, it was really helpful when I think about it. Management isn't for everyone though, typically hard to know until you try though. OP does seem a bit apprehensive but maybe it is because of what the old roles would have been. Also OP try not to have more than 6 direct reports.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Why didn't you move in to a supervisory role earlier when you had the opportunity to do so? Of my applications, there were three times I interviewed, two of which I did well (the third it became clear to both of us during the interview that it wasn't a good fit, no hard feelings). I nearly got a supervisor role less than a year in: it was so close to a foregone conclusion that the outgoing supervisor was training me and giving me all their files, but the perfect external candidate fell into their laps. Given that he's now my director, he's super popular, and I've always had a great working relationship with him, hard to say they made the wrong call. For the other good interview, the feedback was "great interview, no notes, would be a great choice, we just went with promoting the candidate already on the team." There were two I got asked if I had interest in and turned down; one would have been a lateral move when I had been told the engineering team was already looking to grab me, one would have been a department whose director I didn't get along with. For one helpdesk supervisor opening, I asked the manager if I should apply and she said honestly, no, she needed a disciplinarian to clean up after the departing supe, not a newbie, which I thought was fair. I stopped looking for a while after switching roles, and though I did start showing interest again, there haven't been any opportunities within IT in the past year or so, and I haven't seen a supervisor slot outside IT that wouldn't be a pay cut. spwrozek posted:OP I would push to get into the new role ASAP as you want it. get out of the doing two jobs situation. pseudanonymous posted:Do this but be aware that supervision/management is very different from being an individual contributor, seek out a mentor if at all possible and also get some resources, training, and books. spwrozek posted:For sure. I made the transition 6 years ago. My boss was clear on cutting off the old job as quick as possible, it was really helpful when I think about it. The trick here is that the timeline I've been told is "months," given the work that needs to be done and the approvals that need to happen. But agreed on the learning. I've already told my boss, who's wonderful, that while I'm still a lead eng I'd like more mentorship from him than he's already been providing (and he has). I'm looking into books; everyone seems to recommend The Manager's Path so I guess I'm starting there. New training budget hits next week hopefully, and I'll immediately start going through my options when it does. spwrozek posted:Management isn't for everyone though, typically hard to know until you try though. OP does seem a bit apprehensive but maybe it is because of what the old roles would have been. Yeah, I'm apprehensive because this is where I try it and find out if it's for me, and if it's not I'm potentially ruining a good thing. Everyone else seems to have confidence in me, though, so maybe I should have some more than I do. Fewer than six direct reports seems like great advice and I will do my best to stick to it, thank you!
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This is leading a permanent Tiger Team, not really "typical" management but also not a bad place for someone with your background to jump into. I'm guessing your team of permanent employees will be small, and you'll have dotted lines depending what the catastrophe of the week is. Your focus will probably be more on tactical things the VP needs and less about developing people and building your department, and this kind of role as a manager will probably stay very technical. This isn't unheard of but typical "new manager" advice isn't super applicable. It sounds like a good opportunity and you sound like the right person for this role. My warning is less about whether you'll do a good job (sounds like you will), but more about these roles very frequently head towards burnout. They can be career accelerators though so just keep an eye on things. You'll want to work hard on learning how to delegate and how to hand off stuff so you don't end up running your current mission + the last 4 sites you visited. Also these types of roles typically pay really well, so if they don't pay you market start figuring out the minimum time needed to launch off somewhere and make your bank.
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Thanks!Lockback posted:You'll want to work hard on learning how to delegate and how to hand off stuff so you don't end up running your current mission + the last 4 sites you visited. I'm very aware of these two in particular, yes. Even as a lead, I have trouble delegating, and three of the last four trainings I've taken have essentially been "how to delegate even when it feels wrong," so hopefully I'm on the right track. And, yeah, I'm slightly concerned, given that I've been underpaid here in the past, that HR will be like "this is a jump from engineer to manager, so we can provide a nice raise and still be well below market value!" I don't know how to find market value for "this kind of thing" yet, but I'm definitely going to be keeping my eyes open.
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What's the general consensus for the minimum % pay increase to make switching jobs worthwhile?
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Leon Sumbitches posted:What's the general consensus for the minimum % pay increase to make switching jobs worthwhile? Depends on lots of factors. Personally, if everything is exactly the same I'd probably price the general risk and cost of switching jobs somewhere in the 15-20% range, but obviously that goes up or down depending on quality of life, career advancement opportunities, commute, etc. Personally I weigh those things a lot higher than salary but everyone will be different.
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It probably also depends where you are on the pay scales. If money is tight for you, it can definitely make sense to switch for less of an increase. I'd probably right now require something like a 50% premium to switch jobs but that's because I'm happy and not actively looking. If I were not happy in my job there's probably a point where I'd switch jobs for same money. I think it's very situationally dependent so it's tough to have actual rules.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:It probably also depends where you are on the pay scales. If money is tight for you, it can definitely make sense to switch for less of an increase. Ugh, I think my situation requires sharing more details than I'm willing to disclose in a public forum. Are career coaches universally a grift? I'm a mid-career professional with a masters and seven years experience looking to transition into a growing field where there are more jobs than people to fill them.
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No, I managed to luck upon a good one that helped me out a lot. But prior to that I'd hit up the free ones available through the careers centre at the university I'd studied at and they were worse than useless.
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Hey, haven't lurked in this thread much so sorry if this is the wrong place. I'm a 31 year old with no college degree (but two-ish years worth of college credits completed a decade ago) and the only long term job I had was working for a special needs day care facility for 5 years. It operated as a charity so there weren't career growth prospects. A recent family tragedy has made me panic and re-evaluate my life. All I want is to move out of Mississippi to a decent part of the country and have an ok job that will pay the bills and not leave me with back pain or bad knees. I'm weighing a lot of options, and I guess one place I'm going to start is finding an decent online university to pursue coding or IT. Are online universities as worthless as they were 15 years ago or do some of them offer reputable degrees now?
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What do you want to study and do?
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Well literally my number one goal in life is to get out of Mississippi. I have reigned my expectations enormously and a career in IT seems versatile enough to give me a bit of freedom and an escape from retail and manual labor. I'm not sure if I can rescue any of my credit hours after so long, I think how many I can carry over will determine how feasible it is for me to get a bachelor's or whether I should try to make it with entry level experience and collecting certifications. I guess I'm mainly wondering which online universities sit in a middle ground between affordable and worthwhile so I can start calling around and getting transcripts sent to people.
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If you have a little bit of money you can leave Mississippi without doing the get a new career thing. Although retail and manual labor is bad the market is fairly decent these days so you can probably find another job in not-Mississippi, and then work towards whatever you want to do. What are you good at interested in, etc.
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One of the upsides of WGU is that you get legit IT certifications along the way and can leverage those while trying to find a job in the field. While you can get the certs independently, having the class structure is helpful if you’re coming in fresh and you end up with a degree from an accredited, but not illustrious institution that will check the associates/bachelors box. While a brick and mortar state school may be better regarded everything else considered, imo if you’re a nontraditional student it’s more important overall to be able to finish the degree.
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Well I appreciate the responses, y'all. Was kinda in a panic for a while but now I'm weighing my options. Here's to a better future.
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If you want some more IT specific advice there's a bunch of people who'd be willing to share good ways to get your foot in the door in SH/SC IT threads.
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Hey career path thread, since you folks were talking about career coaches I'd like to know more about them. Here's my situation: I am in compliance/training for higher ed. My job is nice but I'm looking to change careers for two reasons - first, I don't think this type of job will be around much longer. Second, it's not very engaging. Here's my problem: I don't know what I'm qualified to do. My professional network is basically all higher ed, which is what I'm trying to bail on. What I want: Ideally I would want a crystal ball that would tell me exactly what professions in the whole wide world I could step into right now with my current experience and qualifications, and also "almost" jobs for which I would qualify for consideration with X additional training or professional development. In real life I'd like to get as close to this crystal ball as possible given the constraints of reality. Is this something a career coach can provide? Or am I describing something else entirely? Or is this a service that even exists?
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I just started working somewhere that relies on Salesforce for most of their marketing stuff. Is it worth it for me to get deeply involved in a Salesforce - Marketing Cloud configuration / integration / full refactor project to have some more hands-on experience with that product? I've actively avoided it in the past, it seems like a huge pain in the rear end, and always seems to involve a lot of meetings with their people for some complicated bespoke solution. I've worked on complicated systems before and I'm fine working with vendors but for some reason Salesforce has always been one that people complain about more and it just kinda gives me bad vibes. But I'm making my own path at this new job and wonder if this could be an opportunity to be able to do something that might add a valuable line to my resume. So my questions are: - Is Salesforce development (without having any interest in being a "Salesforce developer") actually seen as a valuable skill? - If so, is this likely to be the case for the next few years? - Is it notoriously frustrating or is that just my purely anecdotal exposure and impression via coworker complaints? I know this is probably hard to answer without knowing more details about what the project would be and what jobs I might want in the future. But you can probably tell that I don't really have a full grip on what it would mean for me, it just kinda piqued my interest. I like getting into new things but don't want to be banging my head on the wall for the next year. I don't even know whether or not the problems are all on our side with our integration so maybe it's not really a true Salesforce thing. Sorry for the meandering question, but if anyone knows what I'm asking with the above and has experience please let me know! Thanks. e: I have looked into the skills needed and all that and don't see anything too outside of my wheelhouse, so not worried so much about the technical stuff. It does seem unnecessarily complicated but not insurmountable. I'm more interested in what the day to day looks like when planning around their system. gamer roomie is 41 fucked around with this message at 16:18 on Nov 3, 2022 |
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Nov 3, 2022 16:09
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The biggest problem with Salesforce implementations are when the end users refuse to change their workflow to better (not perfectly) fit Salesforce out of the box. So you'd need to get a feeling for how willing to change your companies users are. Even with the best case end users though, Salesforce is still a bit of a nightmare.
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Nov 3, 2022 16:43
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People complain about Salesforce the most because it's so ubiquitous. It has some things that are painful, but no more than any other system. I think it's biggest problem is they try to advertise it like you can do anything, but in reality you have to stick to some pretty strict guidelines not to blow past their API limits.quote:- Is Salesforce development (without having any interest in being a "Salesforce developer") actually seen as a valuable skill? -Yes, definitely. -Almost certainly yes. Salesforce is generally a well run company that has done well to take and keep it's market share. - See above. It's frustrating like anything else is frustrating. Salesforce is just all over the place. If you get particularly good at it you can make some serious money. For a while my company had a hilarious pipeline where they were training people in SF development just for them to leave for 3x the salary. Our salesforce dev work is outside of the engineering department so I just got to sit back and laugh and laugh when it happened like 6 times in the span of 18 months. Spikes32 posted:The biggest problem with Salesforce implementations are when the end users refuse to change their workflow to better (not perfectly) fit Salesforce out of the box. So you'd need to get a feeling for how willing to change your companies users are. I think this is very fair with the caveat that most things are a bit of a nightmare.
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