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Its worth mentioning that the one time recently when the GOP was forced to actually govern, they ended up passing a bunch of benefits more generous than anything democrats have done since. Which is not me saying GOP good. It's just that some people's lives are literally materially better under the republicans. Because of how obsessed democrats are with sabotaging their own programs.
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LastInLine posted:Believe me I'm not saying voting for republicans is a good idea. I'm saying that in the majority of the country, there isn't really a choice. You can vote for republicans or democrats who are also republicans. It'd be one thing if you could expect these democrats to at least vote the party line on national issues but as we've pointed out often itt, you can't even expect that. Even if you work from the concept that being able to appoint chairs and positions as a party is somewhat valuable, the dems don't do so with consideration to building a future project and the gop does so they actively oppose or infinitely delay appointments counter to their aims while we don't get the same reciprocity by installing dems into power. it's not that you can expect the democrats to do anything. they have to be basically threatened or bullied into it. but like i was saying, this is why i think the only interesting and creative thing happening on the left right now in the U.S. is in the labor movement and it's not a coincidence it's happening *now* when you have perhaps the most pro-worker NLRB in at least two generations. the republicans would love to get ron desantis in there to paralyze the NLRB and smother this nascent labor movement (which is one of the most immediate and direct paths for the class struggle to manifest) and then apply enough pressure to (mis)direct everyone into spending 4-8 years getting into fist fights with the proud boys outside of drag bars instead. what would you prefer? you might understandably retch in the voting booth, but the hard-nosed reality is that it's one or the other. BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 02:31 on Aug 25, 2022 |
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Retromancer posted:Personally I'm interested in seeing who the new 2 joe manchins are after the dems expand their hold on the Senate. Coons and Carper.
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Retromancer posted:Personally I'm interested in seeing who the new 2 joe manchins are after the dems expand their hold on the Senate. The Dem Senate is gonna get a lot more productive and progressive as soon as they lose the House.
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Retromancer posted:The Democrats blamed trans people for Roe getting overturned. If we keep giving them power they'll do the pogroms before Republicans get the chance. how do you get from trans people to abortions I missed that one but democrats never fail to be idiots so I believe it
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Retromancer posted:The Democrats blamed trans people for Roe getting overturned. If we keep giving them power they'll do the pogroms before Republicans get the chance. Bipartisan pogroms if they can get one Republican to join
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Private Cumshoe posted:how do you get from trans people to abortions I missed that one but democrats never fail to be idiots so I believe it It's just the same big brain "I lost running as a blue dog because people voted against the concept of another candidate who want good things" poo poo dems have been doing since 2010," except it's coming from increasingly closer to mainstream members of the party.
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Private Cumshoe posted:how do you get from trans people to abortions I missed that one but democrats never fail to be idiots so I believe it
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Private Cumshoe posted:how do you get from trans people to abortions I missed that one but democrats never fail to be idiots so I believe it The math is literally just "some people the opposition wishes to not recognize made some small gains and while that was happening an issue that affected people we actually care about lost a right they thought they had. The opposition would not have done the latter had we not allowed the former to occur." That line of thinking makes sense if you're a liberal and don't have a political project and then apply the logic you have toward politics to the gop. Since all of politics to you is simply transactional and policy goals are discrete, and you feel the gop is also operating under this framework, then they did y in response to x. Obviously that's not how the conservatives view politics. They have a vision and a political roadmap for bringing that vision forth and overturning Roe and negating the personhood of trans people are elements in their political vision for the future they want to build. To them policy decisions come from a system of values and ideally they want all of their values to be ensconced by policy. After all, you can't compromise on values because if you're willing to do so, they aren't values. At the base level it's liberals' belief that because they have no value system from which they operate that neither do the conservatives. (I'll concede it could also be one level up, that because the democratic party doesn't represent its constituents and doesn't do anything on their behalf that they view the republican party as being the same and therefore believe they shouldn't be working toward building the conservative project. This seems unlikely to me because you'd have to be profoundly stupid to not recognize that the gop is an actual political party doing politics on behalf of the conservatives but given their affinity for "rational republicans" maybe they really are that blind to the actual difference between a fundraising entity and a political party.)
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ex post facho posted:lol the framing Had a friend tell me as theirs is private loans they still have to pay. LETS GO BRANDON! By the way the reason I want Trump back over DeSantis is Trump would probably just as likely put some goober who owns a few McDs in the NRLB as a cold hearted corporate law firm guy and Trump would be less likely to actually as an executive do anything directly against labor. DeSantis though would pass all sorts of evil poo poo. DeSantis also let’s just say from my tinfoil hat perspective is deeply concerning as he was involved with Gitmo. Crowsbeak has issued a correction as of 14:13 on Aug 25, 2022 |
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Private Cumshoe posted:how do you get from trans people to abortions I missed that one but democrats never fail to be idiots so I believe it Basically the Catholic psychos got so mad about pronouns and drag queen story hour that they just had to ban abortion as revenge. It's an insane take but one that absolves the Democratic party of any responsibility.
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:i think there needs to be a strategy. the way i look at, there are class struggles and there are small-d democratic struggles (such as for equality, dignity, etc.) and they are interrelated. I keep thinking about how the Republican base mostly gets what it wants from the Republican Party, partly because they don't catastrophize every election and are perfectly willing to withhold their vote from someone they consider a RINO. (There are other vital factors, though, like the fact that the base mostly either wants the same thing as capital or doesn't cost capital much of anything.)
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hmm it seems the student debt forgiveness thing also massively changes predatory interest. the minimum payment is changed from 10% of your income to 5%, and says that if you pay that much your balance won’t go up. on top of that pell grant people get $20,000 forgiven, and that’s disproportionately minorities and disadvantaged people the average student debt is $20,000 that actually sounds pretty excellent for once edit: and like idiots the White House isn’t playing those parts up enough and letting people think it’s just $10,000 being forgiven Steve Yun has issued a correction as of 15:31 on Aug 25, 2022 |
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Steve Yun posted:edit: and like idiots the White House isn’t playing those parts up enough and letting people think it’s just $10,000 being forgiven That's because they're woefully incompetent this go-round.
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Retromancer posted:Basically the Catholic psychos got so mad about pronouns and drag queen story hour that they just had to ban abortion as revenge. I don’t see how Protestantism run amok is our fault but go off king.
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Steve Yun posted:hmm it seems the student debt forgiveness thing also massively changes predatory interest. the minimum payment is changed from 10% of your income to 5%, and says that if you pay that much your balance won’t go up. instead we get Means Tested Tiny Bullshit :tm:
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Iron Crowned posted:That's because they're woefully incompetent this go-round. Theyre woefully incompetent in everything they do.
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Frosted Flake posted:I don’t see how Protestantism run amok is our fault but go off king. The catholic defender has logged on
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i mean, if they actually paid attention to the dude who pointed out that selling indulgences was crooked as gently caress the reformation might not have happened, so yes, the catholic church shoulders a big responsibility for causing that poo poo to happen. also: vote for whoever you want, but you give up the right not to be called a loving dupe, a monumentally stupid loving idiot for stating your intent to continually support democrats out loud in a thread dedicated to the hope that this worthless loving party will be destroyed. goddamn, some of you literally will talk a battered spouse into staying with their abusers and you should be loving ashamed of yourselves. Gene Hackman Fan has issued a correction as of 15:55 on Aug 25, 2022 |
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I have a really hard time believing any of that decent interest stuff will last or even be applied, considering they are making everyone apply instead of doing it automatically just to add another pointless step to maybe weed out whoever they can, this was only done at last minute and forced because their terrified of the midterms, and as a cudgel. if it does work then good at least they will get some relief.
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Frosted Flake posted:I don’t see how Protestantism run amok is our fault but go off king. Wouldn't want to piss off the catholics, they might gently caress some children in revenge.
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Retromancer posted:Wouldn't want to piss off the catholics, they might gently caress some children in revenge. as opposed to loving children like they do normally.
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That's how they rationalize all the corruption and pedophilia scandals within the church, right? Nothing wrong with the Church itself, it got infiltrated by Satanic pedos.
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Also fun fact every justice that voted to overturn Roe is Catholic.
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I forgot that not every SCOTUS judge is Catholic.
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Amy Coney Barrett is a crypto snake handler and the Pontiff has made major moves this year to rein in the Opus Dei. Given time, the SJ and OP will be able to clear out the factions PJP II empowered in the name of anti-Communism.
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Halloween Jack posted:And the ones that didn't, am I right? Sotomayor is the only catholic appointed by a Democrat Kagan is Jewish and KBJ is protestant.
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Frosted Flake posted:Amy Coney Barrett is a crypto snake handler and the Pontiff has made major moves this year to rein in the Opus Dei. Given time, the SJ and OP will be able to clear out the forces PJP II empowered in the name of anti-Communism. oh holy poo poo we found an actual catholic church stan what the hell
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Frosted Flake posted:Amy Coney Barrett is a crypto snake handler and the Pontiff has made major moves this year to rein in the Opus Dei. Given time, the SJ and OP will be able to clear out the factions PJP II empowered in the name of anti-Communism. ever wonder how many kids the dude who hears your confessions has hosed?
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"don't worry, guys, the pope has a plan and is totally not paying the barest, basic lip service in order to get the plebs to forget about it"
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Gene Hackman Fan posted:confessions we have that practice too. we call it self criticism
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Retromancer posted:oh holy poo poo we found an actual catholic church stan what the hell Yep we’re here. Also lol . Gorsuch is a Protestant. At the end of the day you’re going to have to live with us. I’ll just also add you generally fight wars on as few fronts as possible.
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Frosted Flake posted:Amy Coney Barrett is a crypto snake handler and the Pontiff has made major moves this year to rein in the Opus Dei. Given time, the SJ and OP will be able to clear out the factions PJP II empowered in the name of anti-Communism. speaking in church acronyms is a really weird thing to do btw
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