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Kinda problematic to not visit your son out of spite after he gets his head cut off
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Why does the thread title call our goth sadboy problematic? semi-serious question, wondering what I'm missing. Lots of fridging and raping going on in the original comic, along with some attitudes about transsexuals that seemed on the enlightened side then, but are iffy now. The show did a great job to correct or circumnavigate those bits, so far.
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Aug 25, 2022 00:44
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Indie Rocktopus posted:I am perpetually amused that all of my Lucifer trade paperbacks say "Based on the characters created by Gaiman, Kieth and Dringenberg." giant mechanical spider instead of matthew to fill in the "hi I'm your new best friend so that your internal monologue can be spoken without you looking like a crazy person" role
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Aug 25, 2022 00:44
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Indie Rocktopus posted:I am perpetually amused that all of my Lucifer trade paperbacks say "Based on the characters created by Gaiman, Kieth and Dringenberg." Well, the Devil is a character in many forms. Dante's Satan isn't Milton's, and neither of them is how Gaiman portrays the character either (although he references both). Leaving that aside, however, Carey's Lucifer is set in the same universe as The Sandman and quite a few characters from Sandman show up in it.
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Aug 25, 2022 00:50
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Steve Yun posted:
Part of the dunk. Delirium hasn't been casted, so he can say "we picked her just to piss you off" while the others, who are real people who have been casted, were picked on talent
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Aug 25, 2022 01:02
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Aug 25, 2022 01:03
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Aug 25, 2022 01:07
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 Huh just found out about this. DC let Gaiman put out an 8 page PSA pamphlet with Death and John Constantine talking about AIDS. Apparently AIDS had gotten so bad that it was the #1 cause of death of 25-44 year olds in 1994 (19% of American deaths in this age group!) Good guy Gaiman.
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Aug 25, 2022 01:34
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Steve Yun posted:
Because they haven't done any casting on the remaining Endless yet. I assume that person is confusing Rose Walker for Delirium since they both have colorful hair. Hieronymous Alloy posted:Why does the thread title call our goth sadboy problematic? semi-serious question, wondering what I'm missing. He locks up his exlover in hell for 10000 years because she (smartly) knew it wouldn't work out. Sure he grows and changes, but he's got some lovely stuff. (This is not a knock at the comics, it's a knock at the character himself. I couldn't think of a different title when I wrote the OP)
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Aug 25, 2022 01:43
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I am extremely excited to see what they end up doing for Delirium casting though, she and Desire are my favorite characters and they hit it out the park with the later.
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Aug 25, 2022 02:03
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Why does the thread title call our goth sadboy problematic? semi-serious question, wondering what I'm missing. "Your kid belong to me now. I will collect him at a later date."
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Aug 25, 2022 06:55
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Alhazred posted:"Your kid belong to me now. I will collect him at a later date." 45000 years later Morpheus: I have come now to collect that which I laid claim to, to rest with me in the Dreaming and learn of the myriad.... oh.... oh right, they get like 100 years tops. Right. 
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Aug 25, 2022 06:58
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Alhazred posted:"Your kid belong to me now. I will collect him at a later date." its funny how notable tv dream being a bit less of rear end in a top hat feels in comparison to comics dream, even though he still does this and the nada stuff lmao
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Aug 25, 2022 07:03
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Snooze Cruise posted:I am extremely excited to see what they end up doing for Delirium casting though, she and Desire are my favorite characters and they hit it out the park with the later. Have they cast Delirium yet? The first time she appears embodied in "Three Septembers and a January," she's taken the guise of a young Chinese woman. If they aren't going to do many Endless shape shifts (like the split second of African Morpheus in Hell), they'll probably stick with whatever actress they use for that story. Snooze Cruise posted:its funny how notable tv dream being a bit less of rear end in a top hat feels in comparison to comics dream, even though he still does this and the nada stuff lmao I think it's all in tone of voice. I definitely imagined Morpheus with a much more intimidating vocal presence, what with the black tentacled speech bubbles and all.
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Aug 25, 2022 07:04
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Nope, season 2 has to be greenlit first
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Aug 25, 2022 07:18
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But if/when they do get Season 2 and Season of Mists Delirium will be featured right at the beginning in the family gathering. Personally I think they're gonna open with Tales in the sand and then go right into Destiny's garden from there, since it's basically Nada's story all over.
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Aug 25, 2022 07:29
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Dave Syndrome posted:Lots of fridging and raping going on in the original comic, along with some attitudes about transsexuals that seemed on the enlightened side then, but are iffy now.
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Aug 25, 2022 07:33
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the stuff people consider iffy that has been changed wasn't like, magically not considered iffy by everyone when the comic was coming out. like you can read the sandman companion or old blogs and see like the conversations we have about game of you are pretty much the same ones today. Snooze Cruise fucked around with this message at 09:08 on Aug 25, 2022 |
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That Rolling Stone interview is well worth a read. A couple of things I enjoyed from it. First one is just funny to me:quote:I said this to [CEO] Ted Sarandos at Netflix. He came over and he said, “Well, we’re all very excited about Sandman.” I said, “Me, too.” I said, “I’ve got to say I’m so proud of what we made. I don’t really care if anybody watches this or not. I’m just really proud of it.” He’s like [pauses], “Yeah, we want people to watch it.” I’m like, “Oh, yeah. Yeah.” Possibly the wrong person to say that to. And then there's this part where he speaks about how Sandman relates to the DC universe: quote:With Sandman, the TV show, people are like, “Why have you unplugged so much from DC comics continuity?” And I’m like, “Because no human being watching this should actually be obligated to understand 1989 DC Comics continuity in order to make sense of this. The guy just gets it.
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Aug 25, 2022 08:40
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My Lovely Horse posted:I'm never to keen on saying that something like this has been corrected. It's hubris to assume we've found the One True Way to approach social issues here in 2022 that everything needs to be aligned on. They will have thought the same in the early 90s, and the 60s, and many times before, and we're gonna see a lot of the things we hold to be good and true and correct now "corrected" to something else down the line. Sorry about the phrasing, I was typing this while half asleep. But you're right, "corrected" was the wrong choice of words.
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Aug 25, 2022 09:02
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Snooze Cruise posted:I am extremely excited to see what they end up doing for Delirium casting though, she and Desire are my favorite characters and they hit it out the park with the later. Delirium is such an awesome character, hard to think of a good casting for her. Show's been pretty great with casting so far so I'm optimistic. Ps. Marcus Hopson as the Prodigal. Think about it.
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Aug 25, 2022 09:27
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Part of me is really set on Kristofer Hivju but this is giving me pause...
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Aug 25, 2022 10:19
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She's probably not quite right for live action, but I did really enjoy Kristen Schaal as Del in the audio drama, even if it was a bit on the nose.
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Aug 25, 2022 10:23
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jarlywarly posted:When Rose and Lyta arrive at the BnB and meet the characters there I thought that was a dream. Similarly, a lot of the story with Unity felt like it was running off dream-logic, so I was a little startled later on that we were meant to accept it all and that Unity was a real person.
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Finished it last night, one of the best shows I've ever seen. I own several of the Sandman compilations though technically they're my wife's and I've never actually read them. So I went in pretty blind. I thought it was fantastic that I recognized Mark Hamill by going "Hey that sounds like Skips!" And I think Tom Sturridge is the best possible person they could have gotten for Dream. That man can brood.
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Aug 25, 2022 14:44
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I'm going to level with you guys: giant mechanical spiders are cool, and I think more things should include them. Maybe not Sandman adaptations. I mean, we could have a one-off episode about some writer struggling to adapt something. Sturridge could make fun of it in-character.
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KOGAHAZAN!! posted:I'm going to level with you guys: giant mechanical spiders are cool, and I think more things should include them. We don't even have to suggest that someone, somewhere is dreaming of giant mechanical spiders. We know at least one person is.
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Aug 25, 2022 16:08
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Three Septembers and a January, except Dream grants a struggling producer the dream of making movies with giant mechanical spiders
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KOGAHAZAN!! posted:I'm going to level with you guys: giant mechanical spiders are cool, and I think more things should include them. drat, they could have had Ric blurt it out near the end of Calliope with his stream of ideas. "A werewolf goldfish... A giant mechanical spider...!"
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the holy poopacy posted:Three Septembers and a January, except Dream grants a struggling producer the dream of making movies with giant mechanical spiders Sometimes you fall. Sometimes . . .you fly. and sometimes . . .you are caught in the WEB
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Turns out Delirium put the spider idea in the guy's mind in the first place
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“He was thinking too much so I scooped it all out and replaced it with sPiDeR.”
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Why does the thread title call our goth sadboy problematic? semi-serious question, wondering what I'm missing. Also, when his son Orpheus is cursed with unwanted immortality after failing to rescue his beloved Eurydice from Hades, Dream tells him “that’s exactly what I warned you was going to happen, dumbass,” and abandons Orpheus to rot for centuries as a disembodied head Also, in the aftermath of his captivity, as Dream finally realizes the magnitude of his transgressions against Nada, Orpheus and others, he decides to atone by settling his debts and then by killing himself in the most Byronic, operatic, classically tragic manner imaginable. Which, in retrospect, is a really irresponsible way to frame suicide for an audience of alienated goth teenagers (I think Sandman’s treatment of self-harm and suicide is just as misjudged-at-best, actively-malignant-at-worst as its mistreatment of LGBTQ characters. Like that loving “Facade” issue, which reads like a hosed-up inversion of the “you’re stronger than you know” page from All-Star Superman.) ( I may try to post some thoughts on the depiction of self-harm in Sandman, if people say they don’t object to discussion of that content in this thread. If this isn’t the place for that, I get it, no worries.) EDIT: Hieronymous Alloy posted:Sometimes you fall. Sometimes . . .you fly. everyone in the theater stood up and cheered when morpheus said "its morpheusin' time" and morpheused all over that giant mechanical spider Indie Rocktopus fucked around with this message at 18:26 on Aug 25, 2022 |
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Indie Rocktopus posted:(I think Sandman’s treatment of self-harm and suicide is just as misjudged-at-best, actively-malignant-at-worst as its mistreatment of LGBTQ characters. Like that loving “Facade” issue, which reads like a hosed-up inversion of the “you’re stronger than you know” page from All-Star Superman.) i would personally be interest in it but i can't speak for others
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i mention the sandman companion twice now so i feel like its time to share my favorite bit in it i love how it is much more revealing about moore than gaiman. what a monster. other great bits from the book: the section where they explain what goths are, in case you want to read the sandman but are really confused by goth subculture and need a primer before you jump in
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I'm not going to defend Moore at a personal level but I have no doubt he understands that aspect of himself very thoroughly.
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looking forward to five pages of people saying how good and cool desire is for finally murdering their brother who they've been trying murder for 4 billion years and how tasteful and compelling desire raping a woman to further their murder plans was a story device
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I thought Facade was a great little story and I'm pretty sad that they probably won't do it in the TV adaptation due to main heroine being a DC heroine (albeit a very obscure one)
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Flesh Forge posted:I'm not going to defend Moore at a personal level but I have no doubt he understands that aspect of himself very thoroughly. oh i know its just funny to read something that is like "and now time for a gaiman story!" and its the most alan moore story ever lmao The Voice of Labor posted:looking forward to five pages of people saying how good and cool desire is for finally murdering their brother who they've been trying murder for 4 billion years and how tasteful and compelling desire raping a woman to further their murder plans was a story device why are you like this
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