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Lol I like how at the merest suggestion that you can have any measure of influence to your emotional state (like even at the level of taking deep breaths to calm down and slow your heart rate) you’re going right to “oh so you’re saying you can think your way out of depression?”
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christmas boots posted:Lol I like how at the merest suggestion that you can have any measure of influence to your emotional state (like even at the level of taking deep breaths to calm down and slow your heart rate) you’re going right to “oh so you’re saying you can think your way out of depression?” Oh no, I understand that, but your still feeling those emotions, right? Like trying to go "I am feeling this" and being aware of it. Not that you just "cannot feel certain things". I think this is a failure of me to communicate things, sorry. I know that we can all feel frustrated or angry over things, but you can't not feel those things. You have control over what you do about them, but you still feel them.
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Aug 25, 2022 20:18
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Yeah, I think we might talking past each other a bit. I think there's a difference between "becoming" angry vs letting the emotion wash over you without necessarily taking it on as part of yourself. The classic meditation visualization is seeing thoughts and emotions as leaves floating down a river. Something like depression I would consider something different because that's more of a chronic long-term thing with underlying causes to be addressed whereas anger and frustration is IMO typically more transient if that makes sense
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Aug 25, 2022 20:27
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Josef bugman posted:Oh no, I understand that, but your still feeling those emotions, right? Like trying to go "I am feeling this" and being aware of it. Not that you just "cannot feel certain things". no...i at least am talking about actually lessening the severity of the emotion. examining, redirecting, detaching...not worrying...some people meditate or practice stoicism(!), i think that achieves something similar? my experience is that while i can't excise a feel 100% with a snap of the fingers, it can be significantly dulled or changed with some effort. so yeah, i can make myself "not sad" by working at it. i'm sure if i had clinical depression it'd be different, but uh, i don't. Crespolini has a new favorite as of 20:48 on Aug 25, 2022 |
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Aug 25, 2022 20:31
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christmas boots posted:Yeah, I think we might talking past each other a bit. I think there's a difference between "becoming" angry vs letting the emotion wash over you without necessarily taking it on as part of yourself. The classic meditation visualization is seeing thoughts and emotions as leaves floating down a river. Ohhhh, got it. What I had meant was that I think that first bit is the "feeling" of the emotion and the bit we can't control. I will agree that control of emotional reaction can be important though.
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Josef bugman posted:Ohhhh, got it. What I had meant was that I think that first bit is the "feeling" of the emotion and the bit we can't control. I will agree that control of emotional reaction can be important though. The amount of times you've expoused stoicist beliefs while decrying stoicism will never not be funny
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Aug 25, 2022 20:36
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Crespolini posted:no...i at least am talking about actually lessening the severity of the emotion. examining, redirecting, detaching...not worrying...some people meditate or practice stoicism(!), i think that achieves something similar? Why would you want to? Emotions are, in general, good things. I, personally, want to feel things more intently, not less. I want to cry and laugh and swear with all my self, not deny those things because they are transitory. I trust you will take this in the spirit of compassion, but to me that sounds horrible. Gaius Marius posted:The amount of times you've expoused stoicist beliefs while decrying stoicism will never not be funny Not really. Stoics and some aspects of Buddhism* seem more intent on emotional denial and not responding to things. I think we should respond in far more instances than classical stoics. Feeling angry and then doing something about it, as opposed to going "well I felt anger but that is just transitory". Everything is transitory, doesn't mean it's not important. *Like "You only suffer because of desire" or all of Zen.
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Aug 25, 2022 20:42
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Josef bugman posted:Why would you want to? Emotions are, in general, good things. I, personally, want to feel things more intently, not less. I want to cry and laugh and swear with all my self, not deny those things because they are transitory. that's fine, but we were talking about if it was possible or not
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Well that's great if there's something you can do with that anger. But if I'm just mad because I'm stuck in traffic or something then it's not really beneficial for me to fully immerse myself in that burst of passion.
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Josef bugman posted:*Like "You only suffer because of desire" or all of Zen. I am neither a Buddhist nor a Stoic, for what it's worth: equanimity being the path to relieving personal suffering just isn't that controversial to me. Do you think equanimity is unique to Buddhist and Stoic thought? Do you think equanimity is fake and gay? Because that seems to be the argument you're developing. The suggestion is not to deny yourself joy, but to reframe ecstasy as gratitude. Ecstasy is a sweet peach that is with you and then leaves you desiring more. Gratitude is a bowl of oats that carries you through your day. It's extremely practical advice that many many religious traditions have adopted. It's also a misrepresentation of these schools of thought to say they advocate just sitting there like a bump on a log when you feel emotion. The suggestion is to not be moved by your feelings; instead be moved by your conscience or rational brain, what you know to be right. That looks like not jumping out of your seat for a fight when slighted, for example. I hope you agree with that practice of the underlying advice?
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christmas boots posted:Well that's great if there's something you can do with that anger. But if I'm just mad because I'm stuck in traffic or something then it's not really beneficial for me to fully immerse myself in that burst of passion. Why not? Getting all bothered and then thinking back on it and feeling a little silly or using it as a thing to discuss, like getting cross at the sat nav, seems just a normal part of things. If your getting out and beating a person to death with a tire iron or it's scaring someone else in the car then it's an obvious no-no, but to feel is a good thing I think. Crespolini posted:that's fine, but we were talking about if it was possible or not But you still will feel those feelings initially even if you change them. The rain still falls, but what is done with the water afterwards changes.
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Aug 25, 2022 20:52
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They should only cast good actors in things and not bad ones. This is an unpopular opinion because everyone else is wrong about who the good ones are.
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Josef bugman posted:
sure. but that's sorta like...touching something hot. you jerk your hand back because you felt heat on your skin, and then you feel the pain of the actual burn afterwards. removing the second part makes it a very different experience, even if you still had that initial shock
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Ohtori Akio posted:The suggestion is not to deny yourself joy, but to reframe ecstasy as gratitude. Ecstasy is a sweet peach that is with you and then leaves you desiring more. Gratitude is a bowl of oats that carries you through your day. It's extremely practical advice that many many religious traditions have adopted. No. Demand more from yourself, be happy with what you have physically, but look and see the world and demand more for all from it. Our world needs to help people more, and anger at the state of things should be normal. Equaminity towards people is understandable, Equaminity towards structures and the world itself is not. I would, personally, say that our emotions are more a part of our thinking than we give them credit for, and should be accepted as part of our reasoning and informing of conscience. I mean not immediately starting throwing down is good only if the cause does not justify it. And I hold particular dislike for Zen as it is a very very daft way of approaching the same thing as Daoist understanding of things. That and it seems to feature a lot of beatings and acts of random cruelty that seem to be masquerading as "important lessons". Crespolini posted:sure. but that's sorta like...touching something hot. you jerk your hand back because you felt heat on your skin, and then you feel the pain of the actual burn afterwards. removing the second part makes it a very different experience, even if you still had that initial shock Only if it actually burns you. If you are hurt by simply having the emotion and then you feel that you should try and make yourself have a different one. It's not something I truly understand. I get not responding to stuff, but trying to divest yourself of something you've already experienced because it isn't what you want seems odd to me. Josef bugman has a new favorite as of 21:09 on Aug 25, 2022 |
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Aug 25, 2022 21:03
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Josef bugman posted:
it's a movie i hate, and instead of sitting through all 3 hours i flip the channel 10 minutes in and watch zoolander instead 
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Crespolini posted:it's a movie i hate, and instead of sitting through all 3 hours i flip the channel 10 minutes in and watch zoolander instead But the film may still have import. It might be poo poo, but it might be edifying or give you some ideas for better things. Saying that I do think I get what you are saying, and I realise I've really been monopolising this thread. Sorry everyone!
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I mean it’s this or food opinions
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christmas boots posted:I mean it’s this or food opinions tater tots blow 80% of french fries out of the water
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Ohtori Akio posted:tater tots blow 80% of french fries out of the water Wanna try that other 20% I’ve been missing my whole life.
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I'm not even sure why crinkle cut exists. The bar-restaurant I live above serves every side they have with ranch. Fries? Side of ranch. Tots? Side of ranch. Onion rings? Side of ranch. They don't know that ranch is adulterated, inferior-ized mayonnaise. I guess ranch makes a better salad dressing, but as a dipping sauce? Worse in every way to its pure form.
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Aug 26, 2022 08:31
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crinkle cut's fine for sauced fries, nacho fries or poutine, things of that nature. just crisp the hell out of them too
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neon genesis evangelion is boring
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i also think all of the big 90s "prestige animes" are dull. ghost in the shell and akira are boring and pretentious i really only like strong, character driven anime that gets to the point, like akagi
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Shibawanko posted:neon genesis evangelion is boring true Shibawanko posted:i also think all of the big 90s "prestige animes" are dull. ghost in the shell and akira are boring and pretentious Revolutionary Girl Utena (1997), a 1990s prestige anime, is good in fact
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Libertarian Girl Utena
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Shibawanko posted:Libertarian Girl Utena the heat of this take cleansed my pores and invigorated my circulation. thank you gentlegoon
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Shibawanko posted:neon genesis evangelion is boring Good theme song tho
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Shibawanko posted:i also think all of the big 90s "prestige animes" are dull. ghost in the shell and akira are boring and pretentious Even cowboy bebop which is always lauded as the best anime ever is just kinda OK with great music The live action adaption was loving dire though
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The best anime ever is Ping Pong the Animation https://youtu.be/V1WjozwcRqI
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The only good anime is Ulysses 3000, and maybe Bravestarr. e: Alfred J Kwak was too hard-core to be good anime. 3D Megadoodoo has a new favorite as of 11:09 on Aug 26, 2022 |
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Despite being known to enjoy an anime or two from time to time, I cant fault anyone for having a negative opinion of some or all of it
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I remember being 12 and thinking "anime sounds cool, japanese cartoons for adults that's awesome" and then it just being a constant disappointment with how slow and boring they are
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Akira was a good movie until the hero gives the girl his jacket halfway through. Then the character designs became so indistinguishable that I genuinely had trouble following the plot.
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Shibawanko posted:"prestige animes" nope. absolutely not. gently caress you for this. We are not trying to force the concept of prestige tv on anime that was made before the concept existed.
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Ohtori Akio posted:tater tots blow 80% of french fries out of the water I had a breakfast burrito this morning that used tater tots instead of flat top hash browns and it's better in every way oh my God.
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Gripweed posted:nope. absolutely not. gently caress you for this. We are not trying to force the concept of prestige tv on anime that was made before the concept existed. why not
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Shibawanko posted:why not because it makes no sense. Prestige TV is a style of live action television based on high production values. The three anime examples listed include two movies based off popular manga, and a late night original TV series. The only thing that links them is that they were all popular and well-received. They were also all good, so they're nothing like prestige TV. Its nonsense.
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Gripweed posted:because it makes no sense. Prestige TV is a style of live action television based on high production values. The three anime examples listed include two movies based off popular manga, and a late night original TV series. The only thing that links them is that they were all popular and well-received. They were also all good, so they're nothing like prestige TV. Its nonsense. what links them is that they are too long and drawn out and try to be "more serious"
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Shibawanko posted:what links them is that they are too long and drawn out and try to be "more serious" Once again, that doesn't even describe prestige television since half those shows have 8 episodes a season, they're significantly less long than regular television. And it doesn't describe the anime you mentioned because Ghost in the Shell is loving 82 minutes long.
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Lmao at salesmen coming up with poo poo terms like young adult fiction and prestige television and stupid Anglos thinking they are terms one should ever ever use.
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