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Judgy Fucker: Mar 24, 2006

cinci zoo sniper posted:

Stop shitposting.

No jokes allowed on these here comedy forums

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Kalit: Nov 6, 2006; The great thing about the thousands of slaughtered Palestinian children is that they can't pull away when you fondle them or sniff their hair.

That's a Biden success story.

Judgy Fucker posted:

No jokes allowed on these here comedy forums

If they are jokes, they are some of the worse jokes I've read.

Of course they aren't jokes, it's just :matters:

posting without adding anything to the conversation. Similar to the shitposting of this post.

# ? Aug 26, 2022 16:11

Heck Yes! Loam!: Nov 15, 2004; a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.

Holy poo poo a talking black pot

# ? Aug 26, 2022 16:18

Gumball Gumption: Jan 7, 2012

Kalit posted:

If they are jokes, they are some of the worse jokes I've read.

Of course they aren't jokes, it's just posting without adding anything to the conversation. Similar to the shitposting of this post.

Are spoilers some sort of magic shield where your poo poo post doesn't count?

# ? Aug 26, 2022 16:25

Leon Trotsky 2012: Aug 27, 2009; YOU CAN TRUST ME!*

_{*Israeli Government-affiliated poster}

Part of the reason the FBI was terrified about Trump leaving those 700 pages of documents laying around in a closet is that they had multiple instances of cases like this one:

Where a 33-year old Ukrainian-born woman with a Russian passport infiltrated Trump's inner circle at Mar-a-Lago by claiming to be "Anna De Rothschild" a minor relative of the De Rothschild banking family. She was also wanted in Canada for fraud, potential espionage, and other financial crimes. She frequented Mar-a-Lago and was not subject to background checks or traditional security measures.

When the FBI arrested her, she had two fake passports (from the US and Canada), a real Russian passport, a real Ukrainian passport, a fake U.S. driver's license, and a fake Canadian driver's license.

The U.S. won't say whether she is being investigated for espionage or not, but they did say she was part of a global criminal network of people who were getting close access to wealthy people and politicians.

This woman also made her way into the inner circles of Senator Lindsey Graham, Former Missouri Governor Eric Greitens, a Russian billionaire, a Miami CEO, the heads of several major U.S.-based charities, Donald Trump Jr.�s fiancee, Kimberly Guilfoyle, major Trump donor Richard Kofoed, the rapper Ray J, and Italian car designer Horacio Pagani using different fake identities.

https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1563179881411686406

quote:

PALM BEACH, Fla. � For a time, Anna de Rothschild boasted of her family roots to the European banking dynasty, donning designer clothes, a Rolex watch, and driving a $170,000 black Mercedes-Benz SUV.

She talked about developing a sprawling luxury housing project on Emerald Bay in the Bahamas, a high-rise hotel in Monaco, and a Formula One race track in Miami, say people who knew her.

A pivotal moment for the woman who was fluent in several languages took place last year when she was invited to Mar-a-Lago, where she mingled with former President Donald Trump�s supporters and showed up the next day for a golf outing with Mr. Trump and Sen. Lindsey Graham among other political luminaries.

But the 33-year-old woman was not a member of the famous banking family, and is now a subject of a widening FBI investigation that has delved into her past financial activities and the events that led her to the former president�s home.

�It was the near-perfect ruse and she played the part,� said John LeFevre, a former investment banker who met her with other guests around a club pool.

In addition to the FBI, law enforcement agents in Canada have confirmed that she has been the subject of a major crimes unit investigation in Quebec since February.

A year before the FBI�s spectacular raid of the former president�s seaside home, the woman whose real name is Inna Yashchyshyn, a Russian-speaking immigrant from Ukraine, made several trips into the estate posing as a member of the famous family while making inroads with some of the former president�s key supporters.

The ability of Ms. Yashchyshyn � the daughter of an Illinois truck driver � to bypass the security at Mr. Trump�s club demonstrates the ease with which someone with a fake identity and shadowy background can get into a facility that�s one of America�s power centers and the epicenter of Republican Party politics.

Those issues have become even more critical after FBI agents seized boxes of classified and top-secret materials two weeks ago from Mar-a-Lago after executing a search warrant on Mr. Trump�s home.

Her entry � multiple trips in and out of the club grounds � lays bare the vulnerabilities of a facility that serves as both the former president's residence and a private club, and highlights the gaps in security that can take place.

�That�s his residence,� said Ed Martin, a former U.S. Treasury special agent who spent more than two decades in criminal intelligence. �She shouldn�t have been in there.�

The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and Organized Crime Corruption and Reporting Project learned that numerous records have been turned over to the FBI as part of the inquiry, including copies of two fake passports from the U.S. and Canada � bearing her photo and the name Anna de Rothschild � and a Florida driver�s license with the same name that shows the address of an opulent $13 million mansion in Miami Beach where she has never lived.

Ms. Yashchyshyn said in sworn statements in a legal dispute that she has never used another name and has not broken any laws. In an interview with the Post-Gazette, she said she didn�t know Anna de Rothschild.

�I think there is some misunderstanding,� she said.

She said that she was meeting with FBI agents on Aug. 19 and that passports or driver�s licenses generated with the Rothschild name and her photo were fabricated by her former business partner to harm her. �That�s all fake, and nothing happened,� she said.

Mr. LeFevre and three other guests interviewed for this story said Ms. Yashchyshyn repeatedly told people after entering the palatial Mar-a-Lago grounds that she was a Rothschild �and everyone was eating it up,� he said.

The probe into her activities comes three years after two different women from China � one of them toting two passports and a thumb drive with malicious software � were arrested in separate instances after they entered the club grounds while Mr. Trump was president.

Both were sentenced to less than a year in jail and have since been released with at least one being deported to China last year.

The Secret Service said it could not comment on whether the agency is investigating Ms. Yashchyshyn�s visits to the former president�s home in May 2021, or any other subsequent trips.

�To maintain the operational integrity of our work, we are unable to comment specifically concerning the means, methods or resources used to conduct our protective operations,� said Steven Kopek, a special agent and spokesman, in a statement.

The Secret Service more than likely didn�t run background checks to determine Ms. Yashchyshyn�s identity when she visited the former president�s home, partly because the level of protection drops significantly when a president leaves office, said four former agents interviewed for this story.

In most cases, �they are going to do a level of screening � a hand check� for weapons, said Jonathan Wackrow, a former agent who served on President Barack Obama�s detail. �He still has a full detail.�

But experts say her ability to mingle with members of Mr. Trump�s entourage raises concerns about ongoing security at the private club that continues to host some of the most powerful elected leaders in the country and serves as a storage site for some of the country�s closely guarded secrets.

�The question is was it a fraud or an intelligence threat,� said Charles Marino, a former Secret Service supervisor. �The fact that we are asking this question is a problem.�

Little information is public about Ms. Yashchyshyn, who once worked for a suburban Miami business that specializes in providing pregnant Russian mothers the option to have their babies in the U.S. to gain citizenship, court records show.

But when a bitter court dispute erupted last year between her and a close associate with whom she once lived, the details of her whirlwind trips to Mar-a-Lago and other activities over the past several years began to surface and soon reached the attention of federal agents.

Valeriy Tarasenko, 44, a Florida businessman who was raised in Moscow, said he met Ms. Yashchyshyn in 2014 and allowed her to live in his Miami condo so that she would watch his children when he traveled on business.

They have since parted ways over what he alleged was her abuse of one of his children � accusations that Ms. Yashchyshyn vehemently denies.

He said he has met twice with FBI agents and spoke to them about multiple trips she made to Mar-a-Lago and what he claims were her efforts to make inroads in the Trump family and look for new streams of money.

She used �her fake identity as Anna de Rothschild to gain access to and build relationships with U.S. politician[s], including but not limited to Donald Trump, Lindsey Graham, and Eric Greitens,� he said in a court affidavit in Miami.

Mr. Greitens is a former Missouri governor who resigned in 2018 after allegations of sexual misconduct. He held a fundraiser at a Palm Beach mansion last year where Ms. Yashchyshyn was invited.

Ms. Yashchyshyn, an officer in two Florida companies founded by Mr. Tarasenko � both devoid of any assets � claimed that whatever steps she took to gain money were directed by him.

�[E]very single move that I did, I�ve been told by Valeriy to do so,� she said in a deposition. �[A]fter a few incidents like that, I realized that he�s using me for his lifestyle and for his needs.�

Ms. Yashchyshyn said that at one point when she tried to break from him, he repeatedly struck her. �Over time, Tarasenko became more controlling and aggressive over me,� she said in an affidavit.

�I am the victim right now, that�s all I can tell you,� she said in an interview.

Mr. Tarasenko, who was once detained in Moscow for carrying a police-style baton at a metro station in 1998, denied that he physically harmed her.

In 2015, Ms. Yashchyshyn became president of a Miami charity, United Hearts of Mercy � the same name of a charity founded by Mr. Tarasenko in Canada five years earlier.

The Miami entity was promoted on social media as a vehicle to help impoverished children but was actually a source of illicit funds for organized crime, according to a statement by a certified public accountant for the charity that was provided to the FBI.

After hundreds of thousands of dollars poured into the charity�s coffers two years ago, a payment processor, Stripe Inc., suspected fraud and stopped taking in money for a campaign that was supposed to help families ravaged by the pandemic.

The Post-Gazette emailed more than two dozen of the �donors� from Hong Kong, and every email bounced back, suggesting they were fake email addresses used to trick the payment processor.

At the end of the charity drive, the accountant, Tatiana Verzilina, said she began to get calls from people who she suspected were from criminal groups, threatening violence and demanding the money.

The callers left �voice messages from unknown numbers with accents that if I do not return money, I and my family will be harmed or killed,� she wrote in her statement.

Though the charity was supposed to disclose its revenues to the public because of the amount of funds it took in, it failed to do so. Ms. Verzilina, who is now living in her native Russia, declined to talk about the case.

So far, it�s not clear where the funds went.

The FBI in Miami said it would not comment, but at least three people who live in South Florida said they have been interviewed by FBI agents in the past seven months about Ms. Yashchyshyn�s activities.

One of them, Sergey Golubev, a Russian-born U.S. citizen who was once married to Ms. Yashchyshyn, said they wed in 2011 so she could obtain U.S. residency and stay in the country, but the marriage was only on paper.

�At some point, she needed a permanent green card,� said Mr. Golubev, 48.

He said the FBI told him that agents were looking for her in connection with allegations about something �illegal � cheating people and stealing money,� but he said he didn�t know any details, and was unaware of her activities. He said he lost touch with her after their divorce in 2016.

Another person who spoke to the Post-Gazette on the condition of anonymity said a host of records, photos and videos had been turned over to the FBI of Ms. Yashchyshyn, including pictures of her posing with Mr. Trump, Mr. Graham, Donald Trump Jr.�s fiancee, Kimberly Guilfoyle, and Trump campaign donor Richard Kofoed, along with other supporters of the former president.

Mr. Kofoed, 60, who donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to the former president�s campaign and had been a frequent visitor to Mar-a-Lago, declined to comment.

Ms. Guilfoyle, 53, whose name emerged in the Jan. 6 hearings after it was revealed she received $60,000 for delivering a speech to protesters on the day of the attack, didn�t respond to interview requests.

So far, the FBI�s questioning appears to hint at a widening criminal probe into a network of people that includes Ms. Yashchyshyn, who traveled under various aliases while mingling with politicians and wealthy businessmen.

She showed up at the U.S. Open in Flushing Meadows, N.Y., last year and the Austrian World Summit in 2019, where her picture was taken with the likes of celebrity rapper Ray J and Italian car designer Horacio Pagani.

�We always thought her grandfather had the money and that he was an oligarch,� said developer Paul Barton, who said his family company paid for her to fly at least three times on private jets to their resort project in the Bahamas.

She was offered a deal to sell their sprawling residential development for $55 million and receive a commission, records show, but no such sale was made.

During their discussions, he said she talked about her involvement in putting up a high-rise hotel in Monaco, a speed track in Miami and a condo project in Canada. �She talked a good game,� he said.

Though law enforcement agents in Quebec acknowledged their own inquiry of Ms. Yashchyshyn, they would not provide any details.

At some point, she met Trump supporter Elchanan Adamker, a New York financial services company founder who travels often to Miami. Mr. Adamker, who declined to comment, invited her to join him for a gathering at Mar-a-Lago, where she arrived in her Mercedes-Benz SUV on May 1.

There�s no indication she met that first day with the former president, who, along with Mr. Graham, was about to launch a $25,000-per-person golf fundraiser to raise money for the midterm elections.

But when the event was held the next day at Trump International Golf Club just a few miles from Mar-a-Lago, she gathered with the former president, who posed with her for several photos. In another frame, she stood alongside Mr. Trump and the South Carolina senator, the three smiling and gesturing with their thumbs up.

Later, a guest joked with her that he would pass the photos onto her for a hefty price. �Anna, you're a Rothschild � you can afford $1 million for a picture with you and Trump,� he said in a video.

Ms. Yashchyshyn then drove some of the guests back to Mar-a-Lago.

Mr. LeFevre, who authored a bestselling book about his years as a Wall Street banker, said several guests at the private club �fawned all over her and because of the Rothschild mystique, they never probed and instead tiptoed around her with kid gloves.�

For her part, she went beyond just dropping the family name, he said. �She talked about vineyards and family estates and growing up in Monaco.�

One frequent Mar-a-Lago guest who spoke on the condition of anonymity said an invitation was sent to Ms. Yashchyshyn to attend a fund-raiser days later for Mr. Greitens in another mansion near Mar-a-Lago and owned by the former president.

Weeks earlier, Mr. Greitens, a former Navy SEAL, had announced his bid for the U.S. Senate with Ms. Guilfoyle as his national campaign chair.

Not until this March did the Trump entourage say they discovered her real identity.

Dean Lawrence, a Florida music creative director, said he met with Trump insiders at Mar-a-Lago, where he said he surprised them with the news.

�It�s just crazy,� said Mr. Lawrence. �Who would have ever thought it would get to this level?�

Mr. Lawrence said the evening started with a dinner that included the former president, Ray J and rapper Kodak Black, who was granted clemency by Mr. Trump on a charge of giving false statements to acquire a gun. Also attending the dinner: Rudy Giuiliani and former New York police commissioner Bernard Kerik.

As the evening progressed, Mr. Lawrence said he struck up conversations with Mr. Kofoed and Caroline Wren, a former national adviser for the Trump campaign, and their talks turned to Anna de Rothschild.

Mr. Lawrence said he became acquainted with her because he was involved in a music company � Rothschild Media Label, where she was the president � to promote singers, including Mr. Tarasenko�s teenage daughter.

Mr. Lawrence told the Trump insiders that she was not the person they thought she was and warned them: �I want to clear something up with you. I want you to know that she has nothing to do with the Rothschilds. Don�t get involved in any kind of business with her.�

As he divulged the information to Mr. Kofoed, who lived in Palm Beach, �his eyes were wide open,� said Mr. Lawrence. �He said to me, �That�s exactly who I met. She came to my house.��

Mr. Lawrence said he then spoke to Ms. Wren, who he said recognized Ms. Yashchyshyn from a photo that he showed her.

Ms. Wren asked to take a phone picture and then �she created a group chat� to warn others, he said.

Ms. Wren, 34, who helped organize the Stop the Steal rally that took place prior to the Capitol insurrection and was subpoenaed by the House committee probing the attack, declined to comment for this story.

It�s not clear how many trips Ms. Yashchyshyn made to the former president�s home, but Mr. Lawrence said she made enough of a splash that members of the Trump entourage recognized her photo immediately.

�She had been there more than once,� he said.

Ron T. Williams, a former Secret Service agent who is now a corporate security consultant, said there are many reasons that Ms. Yashchyshyn may have avoided detection, including the possibility that agents didn�t conduct a background check.

�Should she have been run for a background check � yes,� he said, but that �doesn�t mean it happened.�

A basic check would have shown that no such person exists with the Rothschild name and her 1988 birthdate.

In fact, an online resource devoted to the Rothschild family lists descendants dating back hundreds of years, but the name Anna de Rothschild does not appear anywhere.

Gary McDaniel, a longtime Florida security consultant, said because Mar-a-Lago is not just a private club but Mr. Trump�s home, the level of protection should be elevated beyond the security protocols typically afforded former presidents and also extend to the entire premises.

�I want to know everybody who comes into that facility, their name, date, date of birth,� he said. �And I want them somewhere on a roster because we never know when he is going to walk into that crowd. She should have been on a list� at the �pre-screening level.�

The idea that a person with a fake identity can get into the former president�s estate � even if they�re looking to find investors � �is not OK,� he said. �Who else can get in there? Who is behind that person? It�s just wrong on so many [levels].�

Mr. Marino, the former Secret Service supervisor, said the revelations of her visits to the sprawling estate underscores the challenges that his former agency faces in protecting Mar-a-Lago.

�It highlights the complexities of having a former president living within a larger club, and it�s accessible to [outside members],� said Mr. Marino, who once served on the details of Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush.

Mr. Lawrence said he was perplexed over why he was the one who was telling Trump insiders about a potential breach, and not the people guarding the former president and his family.

�What I�m trying to understand is how did they allow this?� said Mr. Lawrence. �How could someone keep coming back � at that level? This is Mar-a-Lago.�

# ? Aug 26, 2022 16:34

Professor Beetus: Apr 12, 2007; They can fight us
But they'll never Beetus

Judgy Fucker posted:

No jokes allowed on these here comedy forums

Funny jokes are allowed.

# ? Aug 26, 2022 16:35

evilweasel: Aug 24, 2002

the redacted trump affidavit has been unsealed and posted to PACER, so anyone can download

approximately everyone is trying to download, and because PACER is a 90s-era piece of poo poo, it has crashed and nobody can see it

https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1563195430569414656?s=20&t=e_TfyMVOqpLedrcMOQJkBA

# ? Aug 26, 2022 17:06

BRJurgis: Aug 15, 2007; Well I hear the thunder roll, I feel the cold winds blowing...
But you won't find me there, 'cause I won't go back again...
While you're on smoky roads, I'll be out in the sun...
Where the trees still grow, where they count by one...

Turn off poster names/avatars in this thread for a week for a fun whacky gimmick. Will reports go up or down? What unions will be sundered, what alliances will he broken? Maybe everybody will be nice to each other. Will posters be able to resist cosplaying as their rivals?

Anyway I didn't think biden/dems/anybody would cut any band-aid debt relief election checks and address the symptoms of unsustainable higher education systems, nor achieve insufficient climate preservation measures, or even somewhat mitigate a terrible SCOTUS's terrible ruling.

I am legitimately sincerely "happy to be wrong", and I would be super "happy to be wrong" to endure the complicated chain of "happy to be wrong"s it will take to meaningfully solve any of the issues of perilous urgency that we face. I will gladly eat all these loving hats if that future somehow comes to be.

# ? Aug 26, 2022 17:07

evilweasel: Aug 24, 2002

I was able to review the memorandum that the DOJ filed to justify their redactions. It is mostly redacted, but it has a table describing the reasons each paragraph in the affidavit (which I cannot yet access) was redacted: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.617854/gov.uscourts.flsd.617854.98.1_3.pdf

Virtually every single entry on that table is redacted, except for the parts that disclose they redacted the name of the agent for their safety. So, uh, don't expect to see much in the affidavit itself.

# ? Aug 26, 2022 17:12

Canned Sunshine: Nov 20, 2005; CAUTION: POST QUALITY UNDER CONSTRUCTION

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

If you're going to write in someone with no chance of winning, then you should write in something funnier so you can be on the news if they do a recount. Like the "Lizard People" guy that Al Franken's campaign fought (successfully) to get counted.

I shall be writing in the honorable Harry S. Crotum

# ? Aug 26, 2022 17:13

haveblue: Aug 15, 2005; Toilet Rascal

They don�t have ~~time~~ inclination to explain why they don�t have ~~time~~ inclination to explain

# ? Aug 26, 2022 17:15

evilweasel: Aug 24, 2002

haveblue posted:

They don�t have ~~time~~ inclination to explain why they don�t have ~~time~~ inclination to explain

but they are willing to explain just how juicy the stuff they won't explain is

https://twitter.com/Bencjacobs/status/1563197715084742658?s=20&t=cmf_7rANXhpFRSh_fD8S-A

# ? Aug 26, 2022 17:15

Yiggy: Sep 12, 2004; "Imagination is not enough. You have to have knowledge too, and an experience of the oddity of life."

Listening to reporting on the toob. Multiple witnesses and informants. Lots of birds singing it sounds like.

# ? Aug 26, 2022 17:19

evilweasel: Aug 24, 2002

Yiggy posted:

Listening to reporting on the toob. Multiple witnesses and informants. Lots of birds singing it sounds like.

if they have a copy of the unsealed affidavit, they're the only ones

# ? Aug 26, 2022 17:22

Tiny Timbs: Sep 6, 2008

evilweasel posted:

but they are willing to explain just how juicy the stuff they won't explain is

https://twitter.com/Bencjacobs/status/1563197715084742658?s=20&t=cmf_7rANXhpFRSh_fD8S-A

Quick, copy and paste the black lines into notepad

# ? Aug 26, 2022 17:23

Devor: Nov 30, 2004; Lurking more.

evilweasel posted:

if they have a copy of the unsealed affidavit, they're the only ones

Maybe a bunch of government background reporting that was embargoed until the redacted affidavit was released

# ? Aug 26, 2022 17:25

evilweasel: Aug 24, 2002

Tiny Timbs posted:

Quick, copy and paste the black lines into notepad

i tried already on the redaction explanations, they did it right. it looks like they may have redacted it multiple times just to be very very sure.

it is always very funny when they don't, though

# ? Aug 26, 2022 17:26

evilweasel: Aug 24, 2002

affidavit here: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.617854/gov.uscourts.flsd.617854.102.1.pdf

edit: the government knew there were 15 boxes ahead of time is the first juicy thing I see edit edit: nevermind these are the 15 boxes that were returned

evilweasel fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Aug 26, 2022

# ? Aug 26, 2022 17:26

evilweasel: Aug 24, 2002

quote:

From May 16-18, 2022, FBI agents conducted a prelimina1y review of the
FIFTEEN BOXES provided to NARA and identified documents with classification markings in
fourteen of the FIFTEEN BOXES. A prelin1ina1y triage of the documents with classification
markings revealed the following approximate numbers: 184 unique docmnents bearing
classification markings, including 67 documents marked as CONFIDENTIAL, 92 documents
marked as SECRET, and 25 documents marked as TOP SECRET. Further, the FBI agents
observed markings reflecting the following compartments/dissemination controls: HCS, FISA,
ORCON, NOFORN, and SI. Based on my training and experience, I know that documents
classified at these levels typically contain NDI. Several of the documents also contained what
appears to be FPOTUS 's handwritten notes.

(this is stuff that was returned previously)

# ? Aug 26, 2022 17:30

evilweasel: Aug 24, 2002

there's basically nothing useful in the redacted affidavit aside from the stuff about what was already returned, which I posted above, aside from that they were previewing "we declassified everything lol" argument before the raid

but they do seem to have known where the documents were:

quote:

Based upon this investigation, I believe that the STORAGE ROOM, FPOTUS's
residential suite, Pine Hall, the "45 Office," and other spaces within the PREMISES are not
cunently authorized locations for the storage of classified information or NDI. Similarly, based
upon this investigation, I do not believe that any spaces within the PRE1,1ISES have been
authorized for the storage of classified information at least since the end of FPOTUS 's
Presidential Administration on January 20, 2021.

# ? Aug 26, 2022 17:33

Leon Trotsky 2012: Aug 27, 2009; YOU CAN TRUST ME!*

_{*Israeli Government-affiliated poster}

Not a ton of new stuff, most everything juicy is redacted.

Here's what I've got from it so far:

- There are multiple witnesses/snitches at Mar-a-Lago.

- They have convened a grand jury for some evidence.

- They believe Trump, or someone else there, has undertaken "efforts used to unlawfully collect, retain, and disseminate sensitive government information, including classified NDI."

- The FBI sent A LOT of angry letters to Trump to secure the documents, give them back, or be honest about how many he had. He ignored most of them and pretended he had given all of them up. The FBI didn't believe him and knew there were additional boxes and documents.

- Trump's lawyers wrote the FBI threatening to scream that any movement they make will be viewed as political and they will personally put in effort to convince the public that any accusation or action is political if they don't back off.

# ? Aug 26, 2022 17:34

evilweasel: Aug 24, 2002

apparently the reference to "HCS" data in the boxes returned to NARA means that Trump had documents that would identify human intelligence sources (i.e. spies, i.e. people who would get shot if identified) sitting around at mar-a-lago

and that's just what he gave back

# ? Aug 26, 2022 17:44

ColdPie: Jun 9, 2006

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

- They believe Trump, or someone else there, has undertaken "efforts used to unlawfully collect, retain, and disseminate sensitive government information, including classified NDI."

Is the "and" here significant, or just wholesale quoting from some statute or something?

# ? Aug 26, 2022 17:50

evilweasel: Aug 24, 2002

ColdPie posted:

Is the "and" here significant, or just wholesale quoting from some statute or something?

I'd need to find that in the relevant filing, but the "and" there sounds significant as written because you cannot write that sentence without a reason to believe Trump is doing ALL of those three things (including "disseminate")

# ? Aug 26, 2022 17:55

Star Man: Jun 1, 2008; There's a star maaaaaan
Over the rainbow

SourKraut posted:

I shall be writing in the honorable Harry S. Crotum

I use Dickens Cider, personally.

# ? Aug 26, 2022 17:59

Leon Trotsky 2012: Aug 27, 2009; YOU CAN TRUST ME!*

_{*Israeli Government-affiliated poster}

ColdPie posted:

Is the "and" here significant, or just wholesale quoting from some statute or something?

He's not necessarily saying that Trump did all three of things. But, he is saying those three things are what his expertise is in, that is what is defined as illicit activity in the statute, and based on his expertise he believes that the threshold of the statute is met and asks for the search warrant.

# ? Aug 26, 2022 18:01

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

evilweasel posted:

apparently the reference to "HCS" data in the boxes returned to NARA means that Trump had documents that would identify human intelligence sources (i.e. spies, i.e. people who would get shot if identified) sitting around at mar-a-lago

and that's just what he gave back

I think this had been rumored before as a reason that the DOJ ultimately had to act

# ? Aug 26, 2022 18:08

Blind Rasputin: Nov 25, 2002; Farewell, good Hunter. May you find your worth in the waking world.

Biden's behavior in the past ~3 months really speaks of one major thing now. He and his administration have come to understand that the MAGA train has effectively destroyed the republican party's ability to effectively fight back against any of his plans with legislation or voting power. The GOP ended up tying itself to what's become a more and more extremist radical agenda that turned out to not float with most mainstream republican voters. In a way, they've isolated themselves, in a really really bad way. The recent voting behavior shows that all that terrible extremist poo poo is causing republicans to lose votes, lose funding, and will probably cause them to lose seats come midterms. As well, and maybe most importantly, Biden has found it completely obvious that the MAGA train is smaller in size than it seems, may be super vocal on social media, but in the end is really all bark no bite. They're powerless and incapable of raising a finger to actually fight back or affect legislation. So Biden is just getting anything and everything passed right now. Loan forgiveness, DACA, maybe codifying Roe, maybe even weed legalization. He's also calling a spade a spade over and over, and just vivisected the MAGA crowd and any associated GOP politicians during his speech yesterday. The white house twitter account going to war in a hilarious way is rad in its own right. It's all just them knowing they can dunk hard because the republicans have totally hosed up. Even if, right now, the GOP completely denounced trump and MAGA, such a schism would cause such loud blowback from the extremist 30% and such loss of voting excitement in their mainstream blocs that it would hurt them even more. The mainstream republican congress (ie the non "performance artists" like MTG and such) have had their organs ripped out by the effects of the MAGA train and I don't think its even close to rock bottom for them yet.

Biden is firing on all thrusters and walking all over them right now unopposed and it really owns.

# ? Aug 26, 2022 18:10

Mercury_Storm: Jun 12, 2003; *chomp chomp chomp*

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Not a ton of new stuff, most everything juicy is redacted.

Here's what I've got from it so far:

- There are multiple witnesses/snitches at Mar-a-Lago.

- They have convened a grand jury for some evidence.

- They believe Trump, or someone else there, has undertaken "efforts used to unlawfully collect, retain, and disseminate sensitive government information, including classified NDI."

- The FBI sent A LOT of angry letters to Trump to secure the documents, give them back, or be honest about how many he had. He ignored most of them and pretended he had given all of them up. The FBI didn't believe him and knew there were additional boxes and documents.

- Trump's lawyers wrote the FBI threatening to scream that any movement they make will be viewed as political and they will personally put in effort to convince the public that any accusation or action is political if they don't back off.

It's seeming more like Trump just kept the documents to force a confrontation and fund-raise off of feigned martyrdom at this point.

# ? Aug 26, 2022 18:13

bird food bathtub: Aug 9, 2003; College Slice

Mercury_Storm posted:

It's seeming more like Trump just kept the documents to force a confrontation and fund-raise off of feigned martyrdom at this point.

Too much credit. The dude's a deeply broken, astonishingly lazy malignant narcissist. There was no plan. The toddler saw a shiny thing, wanted it, and kept it. No further thought went in to any of this. I want it, I'm keeping it, gently caress you make me give it back.

# ? Aug 26, 2022 18:18

Epic High Five: Jun 5, 2004

bird food bathtub posted:

Too much credit. The dude's a deeply broken, astonishingly lazy malignant narcissist. There was no plan. The toddler saw a shiny thing, wanted it, and kept it. No further thought went in to any of this. I want it, I'm keeping it, gently caress you make me give it back.

I'm personally just waiting for some hard evidence to be uncovered for my theory that he was channeling the gossiping slumlord that is his core being and piling up blackmail material that nobody else would have access to, and in the process some nuclear info papers slid off a counter and into the box.

# ? Aug 26, 2022 18:26

Main Paineframe: Oct 27, 2010

Epic High Five posted:

I'm personally just waiting for some hard evidence to be uncovered for my theory that he was channeling the gossiping slumlord that is his core being and piling up blackmail material that nobody else would have access to, and in the process some nuclear info papers slid off a counter and into the box.

Not only was he actually reading these papers, but he was taking notes. He wouldn't be doing that if he was just going to hand the whole box off to a spy somewhere. He wanted to know what was in those papers himself - and this is from a guy who's notorious for not reading things.

https://twitter.com/obarcala/status/1563208189591429124

# ? Aug 26, 2022 18:38

SubG: Aug 19, 2004; It's a hard world for little things.

Main Paineframe posted:

Not only was he actually reading these papers, but he was taking notes. He wouldn't be doing that if he was just going to hand the whole box off to a spy somewhere. He wanted to know what was in those papers himself - and this is from a guy who's notorious for not reading things.

https://twitter.com/obarcala/status/1563208189591429124

Is there something that suggests that the notes were made after the papers were filched? As opposed to suggesting that he just grabbed every piece of paper he'd doodled on when he was stripping the White House on his way out the door?

# ? Aug 26, 2022 18:44

evilweasel: Aug 24, 2002

SubG posted:

Is there something that suggests that the notes were made after the papers were filched? As opposed to suggesting that he just grabbed every piece of paper he'd doodled on when he was stripping the White House on his way out the door?

No. Unlikely you'd be able to determine that easily anyway.

# ? Aug 26, 2022 18:48

Sir Lemming: Jan 27, 2009; It's a piece of JUNK!

bird food bathtub posted:

Too much credit. The dude's a deeply broken, astonishingly lazy malignant narcissist. There was no plan. The toddler saw a shiny thing, wanted it, and kept it. No further thought went in to any of this. I want it, I'm keeping it, gently caress you make me give it back.

Yeah, Trump is not the type of person to ever admit that he has something that he actually isn't supposed to have. No matter how clear-cut the case is, and no matter how important it actually is to him on a personal level. He'd sooner nuke the world than voluntarily give up anything to anyone.

# ? Aug 26, 2022 19:03

Madkal: Feb 11, 2008; Fallen Rib

Mercury_Storm posted:

It's seeming more like Trump just kept the documents to force a confrontation and fund-raise off of feigned martyrdom at this point.

My theory, lacking any proof but I like it, is that he was just grabbing whatever he could hoping to sell it off. He was told "don't do that" and instead of just returning the stuff did what he always does and act like a sugar addled toddler throwing a temper tantrum because he was told no.

# ? Aug 26, 2022 19:08

Name Change: Oct 9, 2005

"I want these boxes to look at for my own amusement/as keepsake treasures of my victory"

"No. You have to give them back."

"Ah well I can use these as part of my strategy of looking like a victim, and employ every sleazy landlord legal strategy I can think of to keep them anyway, since my legal team is down to similar moron scumbags anyway"

# ? Aug 26, 2022 19:19

Automata 10 Pack: Jun 21, 2007; Ten games published by Automata, on one cassette

somebody please commission ben garrison to draw a political cartoon of a tiny bernie sanders controlling joe biden by the hair ala ratatouille

Sodomy Hussein posted:

"I want these boxes to look at for my own amusement/as keepsake treasures of my victory"

"No. You have to give them back."

"Ah well I can use these as part of my strategy of looking like a victim, and employ every sleazy landlord legal strategy I can think of to keep them anyway, since my legal team is down to similar moron scumbags anyway"

p.much

# ? Aug 26, 2022 19:26

Neo_Crimson: Aug 15, 2011; "Is that your final dandy?"

Blind Rasputin posted:

Biden's behavior in the past ~3 months really speaks of one major thing now. He and his administration have come to understand that the MAGA train has effectively destroyed the republican party's ability to effectively fight back against any of his plans with legislation or voting power. The GOP ended up tying itself to what's become a more and more extremist radical agenda that turned out to not float with most mainstream republican voters. In a way, they've isolated themselves, in a really really bad way. The recent voting behavior shows that all that terrible extremist poo poo is causing republicans to lose votes, lose funding, and will probably cause them to lose seats come midterms. As well, and maybe most importantly, Biden has found it completely obvious that the MAGA train is smaller in size than it seems, may be super vocal on social media, but in the end is really all bark no bite. They're powerless and incapable of raising a finger to actually fight back or affect legislation. So Biden is just getting anything and everything passed right now. Loan forgiveness, DACA, maybe codifying Roe, maybe even weed legalization. He's also calling a spade a spade over and over, and just vivisected the MAGA crowd and any associated GOP politicians during his speech yesterday. The white house twitter account going to war in a hilarious way is rad in its own right. It's all just them knowing they can dunk hard because the republicans have totally hosed up. Even if, right now, the GOP completely denounced trump and MAGA, such a schism would cause such loud blowback from the extremist 30% and such loss of voting excitement in their mainstream blocs that it would hurt them even more. The mainstream republican congress (ie the non "performance artists" like MTG and such) have had their organs ripped out by the effects of the MAGA train and I don't think its even close to rock bottom for them yet.

Biden is firing on all thrusters and walking all over them right now unopposed and it really owns.

As much as I like the recent Ws, we really really cannot get cocky and declare victory before midterms. MAGA is mainstream Republicanism now, and is far from powerless.

# ? Aug 26, 2022 19:29

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# ? May 23, 2024 20:23

Eric Cantonese: Dec 21, 2004; You should hear my accent.

Neo_Crimson posted:

As much as I like the recent Ws, we really really cannot get cocky and declare victory before midterms. MAGA is mainstream Republicanism now, and is far from powerless.

Agreed. Who knows how economic trends shape up between now and November? Jerome Powell just caused a big market drop by stating that the Fed is not convinced that inflation is under control enough to start phasing out interest rate hikes.

# ? Aug 26, 2022 19:30

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