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It's always a good day to read about aviation disasters: https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/
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Rabbit Hill posted:But all of this was because the book made me want to become a toxicologist, not a poisoner. ChickenOfTomorrow posted:It's always a good day to read about aviation disasters: https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/ Well, thanks for the two (and counting) hours of my life I'll never get back. Arsenic Lupin has a new favorite as of 18:55 on Aug 25, 2022 |
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Aug 25, 2022 17:26
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Aug 25, 2022 18:55
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Arsenic Lupin posted:I have to know .... what did you become? A specialist in the most toxic things imaginable a goon
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Aug 25, 2022 20:08
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:It's always a good day to read about aviation disasters: https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/ quote:Survivors later estimated that the entire evacuation lasted no more than 60 to 90 seconds; after that, conditions inside the plane became incompatible with human life. PYF unnerving euphemism
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Aug 25, 2022 20:19
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Kitfox88 posted:Survivors later estimated that the entire evacuation lasted no more than 60 to 90 seconds; after that, conditions inside the plane became incompatible with human life. Ten crew who were crammed into or just behind the cockpit walk away almost unharmed, one passenger who got to the galley before collapsing is pulled out by the local fire brigade and eventually recovers, everyone else died. Apart from one crewmember who split their head open in the crash landing, all the deaths were solely from smoke inhalation. Just an invisible line between the area of the plane that remained compatible with human life long enough and the area that didn't.
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Aug 25, 2022 21:58
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Apraxin posted:One of the worst ones for me in that regard is Varig 820 (which I think is on Cloudberg's site as well). Fire starts from probably a discarded cigarette in the toilet of a long-haul flight from Rio to Paris that's about 25 minutes from landing, it can't be put out and the smoke just gets worse and worse until - although they were only a few minutes from Orly at that point - the pilots decide 'no, we're not going to make it that long' and belly-land it in a farmer's field. 
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Aug 25, 2022 22:04
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And yet whenever someone is caught smoking in a plane and is treated with extreme prejudice by the aircrew and airline people still rush to say "but it was just a cigarette!!!"
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Aug 25, 2022 22:10
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:It's always a good day to read about aviation disasters: https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/ gently caress you this is my worst nightmare and I am going to compulsively read this. Uuugh the improperly labelled and transported oxygen generators that started a fire before takeoff that wasn't detected because the FAA had previously stated there was no need for smoke detectors in cargo holds. Just everything going wrong at every stage.
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Aug 25, 2022 23:26
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eating only apples posted:gently caress you this is my worst nightmare and I am going to compulsively read this. Uuugh the improperly labelled and transported oxygen generators that started a fire before takeoff that wasn't detected because the FAA had previously stated there was no need for smoke detectors in cargo holds. Just everything going wrong at every stage. Yay! I read these sorts of sites with utter horrified compulsion just before I have to fly (off on a trip next week).
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Aug 26, 2022 08:42
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I have been reading his weekly posts on /r/catastrophic since he started. It is amazing how often you see the same themes being repeated. It also gives a good perspective on how things have advanced in terms of aviation safety over the years.
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Aug 26, 2022 12:03
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Last time this thread discussed aviation disasters, there was a link to a writeup about a particular incident where a passenger plane on a sightseeing tour over Antarctica basically slammed right into a mountainside. The description of the cleanup was especially harrowing, apparently the snow slush and melted human grease mixed together made for a particularly disgusting slurry. Also, the identification of victims was made considerably harder by the fact that seagulls would pick up the charred body parts and just fly off with them. EDIT: It was New Zealand flight 901, though this article is a bit less detailed. Comrade Koba has a new favorite as of 12:27 on Aug 26, 2022 |
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Aug 26, 2022 12:23
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Comrade Koba posted:EDIT: It was New Zealand flight 901, though this article is a bit less detailed. Also known as the Mount Erebus Disaster https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Erebus_disaster quote:I could not eat my first meal on site because it was a meat stew. Our polar clothing became covered in black human grease
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Aug 26, 2022 13:04
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Ugh. I read the whole "recovery" portion of that article, and just shuddered. Good on them for finding some liquor that survived and taking a break to have a macabre "party". I'm in no way trying to be edgy or disrespectful, but what is the point of trying to get ID on the bodies in a situation like that? Clearly there are no survivors. I couldn't give two shits if they found a femur and some charred goo that may or may not be (what used to be) me, just let the gulls eat me. Maybe I'm a beep boop robot, but stories like that often make me feel more for the rescue workers than the victims.
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Aug 26, 2022 17:47
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JacquelineDempsey posted:I'm in no way trying to be edgy or disrespectful, but what is the point of trying to get ID on the bodies in a situation like that? Clearly there are no survivors. I couldn't give two shits if they found a femur and some charred goo that may or may not be (what used to be) me, just let the gulls eat me. You took the time to individualize yourself just then, assume others are individuals too.
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Aug 26, 2022 18:00
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don't scoop my goop
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Aug 26, 2022 18:08
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Families will want the remains of their loved ones 
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Aug 26, 2022 18:34
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Fair enough, like I said I wasn't trying to be flippant edgelord. I guess I just don't get the need to have remains "come home" to be interred or whatnot. It's not part of my beliefs, but I understand it is for some folks. I hope I didn't offend anyone, and if I did I sincerely apologize. Edit: I guess the "unnerving" part of this derail is me realizing I can't think of anyone who would care about getting my remains. JacquelineDempsey has a new favorite as of 19:00 on Aug 26, 2022 |
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Aug 26, 2022 18:48
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JacquelineDempsey posted:Fair enough, like I said I wasn't trying to be flippant edgelord. I guess I just don't get the need to have remains "come home" to be interred or whatnot. It's not part of my beliefs, but I understand it is for some folks. Nah, nah, nah. You're good. There's also maybe morale of the rescuers to consider. Bagging pieces of meat (crude, I know) is accomplishing something. I base this on knowing quite a few volunteer firefighters and EMS people. The worst case scenarios either made them quit or made them stay. "gently caress... I'll do it."
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Aug 26, 2022 19:41
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Sometimes people not all the people on a flight log make the flight or an extra tags along too. You need to make sure discrepancies are checked for just in case.
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Aug 26, 2022 20:47
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JacquelineDempsey posted:Fair enough, like I said I wasn't trying to be flippant edgelord. I guess I just don't get the need to have remains "come home" to be interred or whatnot. It's not part of my beliefs, but I understand it is for some folks.
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Aug 27, 2022 00:40
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While we're back on air disasters, here's a little-known one from 1971 that's high up on my list of nightmares: Aviogenex Flight 130 A charter flight from London Gatwick to Rijeka; on final approach the plane flies through a burst of torrential rain, and when it comes out the other side and the pilots try to reorient themselves an optical illusion from the evening light and water on the runway causes them to misjudge their height and distance. The plane lands much too hard, so hard that the shock of impact on the landing gear causes the right wing to shear off. The fuselage rolls over and skids down the runway, eventually coming to rest inverted 700 meters from the impact point. All 83 people on board have survived the crash! Then the fire starts. quote:In the first minute after the main wreckage came to a rest, fire broke under left wing, in the tail, behind the right engine and under remaining parts of the right wing. Thick smoke immediately filled the cabin. Panicked passengers attempted to evacuate from the burning wreckage, but the thick smoke and darkness (the electrical supply had shut off immediately after impact) made it extremely difficult. The four flight-crew members safely evacuated through the right window of the cockpit. 
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Aug 27, 2022 01:40
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Memories of Flame: The crash of TWA flight 800 posted:An inspection of 25 other airplanes from multiple manufacturers found that such conditions were widespread through the nation’s commercial fleet.... perhaps most terrifying of all, NTSB investigators found evidence that five of the 25 airplanes had experienced on-board electrical fires which self-extinguished without ever being detected. ChickenOfTomorrow has a new favorite as of 02:11 on Aug 27, 2022 |
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Aug 27, 2022 02:00
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Apraxin posted:Horrific poo poo This is the worst thing I've ever read. This will haunt my dreams and make me scared the next time I visit the fam back in the UK. Jesus Christ.
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Aug 27, 2022 02:13
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Inceltown posted:Sometimes people not all the people on a flight log make the flight or an extra tags along too. You need to make sure discrepancies are checked for just in case. The need to catalogue every piece of evidence on an aircraft mishap can not be understated. Looking back at a catastrophic mishap it's easy to see the cause but in the thick of it, it's hard to know what piece of wreckage or remains holds key information to finding the root cause of the mishap. I worked this particular mishap: http://aerossurance.com/helicopters/usaf-hh60g-birdstrike-uk/ The team had spent a solid week combing through individual debris before I spotted a single solid state drive that had survived the crash with a HUMS label. https://www.army.mil/article/64591/hums_allows_helicopter_repair_crews_faster_maintenance Someone had extracted this random hard drive from a tidal swamp, no where near the main wreckage, and carefully cleaned it, put it on display, so that of the dozen or so subject matter experts someone might recognize it. The HUMS system isn't a crash survivable data recorder but it had survived the crash and contained that drive contained a full flight profile that recorded flight, engine, and vibration characteristics through the crash. Without that 2 inch piece of wreckage they might not have conclusively solved that mishap. There are plenty of case studies in aviation where the damage patterns on remains have yielded similar results. TWA flight 800 is a great example where the evidence that the remains yielded proved that it was not a missile but most likely a fuel vapor explosion. That conclusion has had a massive affect of FAA regulations to the current day. It can be taxing to comb through wreckage knowing someone died in this plane but it's worth it when you know that you are trying to make sure that every shred of evidence that you gather goes to make sure that no one else suffers from the same aircraft flaw.
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Aug 27, 2022 03:16
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Aug 27, 2022 03:48
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JacquelineDempsey posted:Ugh. I read the whole "recovery" portion of that article, and just shuddered. Good on them for finding some liquor that survived and taking a break to have a macabre "party". Another part of it is that in 1979, the population of New Zealand was about 3 million. 250 people dying was a huge scar on the national psyche at the time - even if you didn't know someone who had died, you almost certainly knew someone who knew someone. I know a couple of people who lost family members in the crash, and the mother of a friend was involved in identifying bodies in Antarctica. She got a medal for it, and a lot of trauma, and doesn't really talk about it, but I know she's proud of having been able to do something.
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Aug 27, 2022 06:57
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:now this is a disaster Had to GIS that... cripes
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Aug 29, 2022 00:20
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:It's always a good day to read about aviation disasters: https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/ Oh thanks, it was a good days reading. This archive just consumed the last few days of being sick. I really appreciate that there is zero gore in all of these. The pictures are mostly sanitized. I really appreciate that. I don't need visual gore haunting my fever dreams, lol. One of my "favorites": https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/candles-in-the-wind-the-crash-of-swissair-flight-111-88d90b63c930 Nighttime, over water, decent airline, qualified pilots, an eerie weird smell, then a cockpit fire and within 30 minutes smashed into the water. The cockpit fire made the voice recorder stop and the radio die so the last 6 minutes can only be interpreted via radar track and exhaustive reconstruction. Given how the plane was designed and the checklists that they had it was unlikely they could have done anything even if they knew what was happening. One of the actions they performed per the checklist may have actually exacerbated the situation. But in the end: Admiral Cloudberg posted:The TSB was forced to conclude that even if the pilots had immediately recognized the problem and headed straight for Halifax, they would not have managed to save the plane. Helpless. Doomed.
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Aug 29, 2022 04:20
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Arsenic Lupin posted:I have to know .... what did you become?  When I was around 14, I talked to my aunt and uncle (both doctors) about my dream of becoming a toxicologist, and they talked me out of it. Probably for the best, as I was eventually diagnosed with ADHD in my 30s and wouldn't have survived med school, never mind actually doing the job without making careless mistakes with catastrophic consequences.
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Aug 29, 2022 15:50
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I was down in central Louisiana during Katrina and lost a few very good friends to the storm and ensuing chaos. This time of year always makes me hypervigilant about weather. August 30, 2005: Besieged Hospitals Battle Flood Conditions September 1, 2005: Grim Reports from New Orleans Hospitals September 7, 2005: A Doctor’s Message from Katrina’s Front Lines September 14, 2005: Nursing Home Owners Charged in 34 Deaths Abandoned Patients A New Low in Katrina Story September 15, 2005: Coroners, Troops Sift Through New Orleans July 24, 2007: Jury Sides With Doctor in Katrina ‘Mercy Killings’ August 4, 2010: Law & Disorder: New Orleans Police Post-Katrina https://twitter.com/spann/status/1564220634640547842?s=21&t=D45C6jpERyqlmDGiBsZsOw
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Aug 29, 2022 21:27
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Rabbit Hill posted:I've been listening to a great podcast called Dark Histories (no relation to Dark History with Bailey Sarian; this is written and hosted by an English guy named Ben Cutmore), and in Sept 2019 there was an episode on Graham Young, the "Teacup Poisoner". What was the name of this book, I swear that I read the same one in pdf format and have lost to computer changes.
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Aug 30, 2022 05:36
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Busket Posket posted:I was down in central Louisiana during Katrina and lost a few very good friends to the storm and ensuing chaos. This time of year always makes me hypervigilant about weather. Weird how the republican party completely ignores massive red flags any time it can kill a few thousand people. Almost like it was their purpose...
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Aug 30, 2022 07:06
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Applesnots posted:What was the name of this book, I swear that I read the same one in pdf format and have lost to computer changes. It's Alfred Brundage's A Manual of Toxicology -- however, my edition (1922?) has a section on the effects of gas warfare during WWI which the edition in the link (1920) lacks.
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Aug 30, 2022 14:48
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Wasabi the J posted:Weird how the republican party completely ignores massive red flags any time it can kill a few thousand people. Democrats had control of the Governership, house and senate in 2005, and had been running the state for most of the previous 120 years. It wasn’t even closely divided, democrats held sizable majorities in both the house and the senate. The mayor of New Orleans was also a democrat who is currently in prison for wire fraud, bribery and money laundering. From Reconstruction until 2010 Louisiana never had a Republican majority house or senate. Katrina was a massive failure of gov’t at every level and democratic state machine politics had a big hand in loving up infrastructure and planning, not to mention overseeing the steady erosion of the barrier islands. YOLOsubmarine has a new favorite as of 15:22 on Aug 30, 2022 |
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Aug 30, 2022 15:05
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Democrats had control of the Governership, house and senate in 2005, and had been running the state for most of the previous 120 years. It wasn’t even closely divided, democrats held sizable majorities in both the house and the senate. The mayor of New Orleans was also a democrat who is currently in prison for wire fraud, bribery and money laundering. From Reconstruction until 2010 Louisiana never had a Republican majority house or senate. It was also the Republican-led restructuring of the DHS to be a military power and sending a huge chunk of National Guard troops to Iraq instead of keeping them stationed domestically for their actual purpose. And Republican federal legislators refusing millions in aid from those dirty Commies in Cuba and Venezuela, or from those shady Mexicans. Oh and local conservatives trying to show they’re big boys by not doing what Momma Blanco asked them to do because they’re not scared of a little rain. Yes there was corruption aplenty and weak Democrats (and there still is), but plenty of those failures fell to Conservatives over decades of not seeing the monetary benefit in improving levees or protecting coastline when there’s oil to be had. https://twitter.com/chrisdier/status/1564020290509750278?s=21&t=INIoviqRpsHWHOHfHoJqWA
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Both major American political parties suck poo poo and would happily give the go ahead to feed citizens into a wood chipper for kickbacks as long as they didn't need to directly view and do it themselves
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Aug 30, 2022 17:37
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Busket Posket posted:It was also the Republican-led restructuring of the DHS to be a military power and sending a huge chunk of National Guard troops to Iraq instead of keeping them stationed domestically for their actual purpose. And Republican federal legislators refusing millions in aid from those dirty Commies in Cuba and Venezuela, or from those shady Mexicans. Oh and local conservatives trying to show they’re big boys by not doing what Momma Blanco asked them to do because they’re not scared of a little rain. My point isn’t that Republicans are good, it’s that Democrats are also bad and Katrina was a result of decades of malign neglect from everyone in both parties. The massive loss of life wasn’t merely due to infrastructure failure (which itself was a bipartisan problem), it was also because so many people in New Orleans lived in third world conditions but state and local government officials were far more interested in cozying up to petrochem companies than actually providing basic services for their citizens.
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News for longtime followers of unspeakable horrors. Actually, extremely uplifting and overdue news. Cynthia Jaramillo (formerly Cynthia Vigil) who escaped from and helped bring down David Parker Ray (The Toybox Killer) has received a pardon from New Mexico governor Michelle Lujan Grisham for drug charges she plead guilty to after her escape. Jaramillo had been waiting trial when she was kidnapped by Ray in 1999. The drug charges have kept her out of stable housing since. Full article: https://www.abqjournal.com/2528277/gov-michelle-lujan-grisham-pardons-six-people.html Street Safe New Mexico posted:“Without Cindy at the helm, we wouldn’t have been able to provide marginalized women with free feminine hygiene products, blankets, clothing, and other necessities of daily life,” the organization’s co-founder and executive director Christine Barber wrote in the letter. “Without her thousands of rape victims who were attacked while selling sex on the street wouldn’t have been able to warn other women about suspects via our weekly Bad Guy List. Without her, dozens of trafficking victims wouldn’t have escaped their traffickers and been provided housing….”
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Bout loving time
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