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Admiral Joeslop posted:Has a referee ever caused a wrestler to significantly botch in a televised event? Being out of position or not getting out of the way in time or something. Kind of a general question I guess. there was a time when WWE told its referees to treat matches like shoots and count pins even when it wasn't the planned finish. well, one time someone forgot to kick out and the ref counted to 3 and the wrong guy won the match. so vince fired him lmao.
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I’m glad we at least got this out of Cody before he returned to his home planet.
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Has a referee ever caused a wrestler to significantly botch in a televised event? Being out of position or not getting out of the way in time or something. Kind of a general question I guess. Pretty much the opposite of what you asked, but it reminded me of Ref Kiso in DDT saving Yuki Ueno from a botch by getting in the way of a really badly mistimed tope after everyone on the floor had already been wiped out
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Has a referee ever caused a wrestler to significantly botch in a televised event? Being out of position or not getting out of the way in time or something. Kind of a general question I guess. this has probably happened one zillion times in lucha libre
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In his first book Jericho talked about having a match (maybe in Germany) where the ref suddenly decided to drop down so Chris had to jump over him when Chris was shot into the ropes because "it added to the realism of the match."
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Aug 25, 2022 20:47
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Not exactly a spectacular botch, but Flair/Race at Starrcade '83 is memorable for Gene Kiniski's awful ref work.
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"God-awful ref" is a apt description for WCCW's Bronko Lubich.
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Dawgstar posted:In his first book Jericho talked about having a match (maybe in Germany) where the ref suddenly decided to drop down so Chris had to jump over him when Chris was shot into the ropes because "it added to the realism of the match." He also had his own theme. "I'm too sexy".
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Aug 25, 2022 21:38
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How do refs get started? Do wrestling schools have ref classes?
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A lot of the time they try to get started as pro wrestlers and then for whatever reason (too short, bad look, simply not good enough, no actual refs) they get asked to do referee duties and stick with it. Some companies do recruit and train referees though. One of my friends actually applied when New Japan did a recent recruitment for new referees (the one they got Yuya Sakamoto and Taito Nakabayashi out of) but got rejected for being too small.
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Aug 26, 2022 05:20
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hosed up that a company that employs Marty Asami has a height requirement
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pseudodragon posted:How do refs get started? Do wrestling schools have ref classes? a common way for wrestlers to get started on shows is to ref matches. also one of the best ways to help out on a show if you aren't wrestling is reffing.
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pseudodragon posted:How do refs get started? Do wrestling schools have ref classes? At my school, we had a couple of students who specifically wanted to be referees. They were still expected to do all of the same training as the wrestlers. Then, active refs who worked our shows would do on-the-side training every now and then for ref-specific stuff.
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Ganso Bomb posted:At my school, we had a couple of students who specifically wanted to be referees. They were still expected to do all of the same training as the wrestlers. Then, active refs who worked our shows would do on-the-side training every now and then for ref-specific stuff. so what, like cardio and back bumps and whatnot? when i was applying for grad schools i had drexel on my list and was toying with the idea of going to the ROH school to learn to ref on this side. that was over a decade ago and i've lived in louisiana since so i clearly never did that but i'm very curious.
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mactheknife posted:so what, like cardio and back bumps and whatnot? Everything! Cardio, bumps, drills, running the ropes, all of it. Whatever the class was, ref trainees did it unless it was getting into more advanced stuff. Basically, everyone needed to know how to bump and work safely in the ring but they didn’t need need do suplexes and getting slammed off the top rope.
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I'm reminded of the insane match New Japan had recently that had like 4 ref bumps all to different guys so the newest ref could main event in his home town
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ItohRespectArmy posted:a common way for wrestlers to get started on shows is to ref matches. 
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Something I'd never wondered until just now, has David Arquette ever talked about how much if any training he was given for his segments/matches in WCW?
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Bonk posted:Same with managers/valets. A good way to break in if you're charismatic enough or have a decent character is to corner a tag team or stable. I have a friend on the indies who's primarily an actor/stuntman/fight choreographer, so instead of wrestling full-time he mostly manages a few people and takes bumps when the faces get tired of his shithead heel antics. So I get to go to shows and watch the dude who taught me how to stage fight get his rear end kicked. this was one my life goals, actually- I wanted to be a Percy Pringle or a Paul Heyman so drat bad, would absolutely love to take a paycheck to rile up randos then I hosed up my neck taking a flapjack like a doofus, got gun shy, and by the time I regathered my balls there was nowhere to do wrestling in driving distance anymore it sucks because I was pretty drat alright at it, I have a lot experience in writing/delivering speeches and otherwise performing in public, playing characters, improvising, all that poo poo. I cut so many promos in so many different styles that we had trouble settling on what my gimmick SHOULD be-- the guy that trained me joked that we should work The Chameleon in there somewhere. No idea where he went and I can't afford to move where the wrestling is PROBABLY DIE IN A SMALL TOWN ♪
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TheKingslayer posted:Something I'd never wondered until just now, has David Arquette ever talked about how much if any training he was given for his segments/matches in WCW? He was trained by Chris Kanyon, DDP, and Shane Helms, who also did stunts for Ready To Rumble. Obviously he wasn't a fully trained wrestler, but he had fundamentals.
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Lamuella posted:He was trained by Chris Kanyon, DDP, and Shane Helms, who also did stunts for Ready To Rumble. Obviously he wasn't a fully trained wrestler, but he had fundamentals. I saw his match with Colt Cabana for F1rst and while I'm sure Colt was a guiding steady hand David seemed fine
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TheKingslayer posted:Something I'd never wondered until just now, has David Arquette ever talked about how much if any training he was given for his segments/matches in WCW? You should watch the doc "You Cannot Kill David Arquette" which covers his whole time in wrestling from WCW to now and includes stuff like Jungle Boy driving him to the hospital after Nick Gage sliced his neck open.
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Arquette was such a whiner after that Gage match. He knew what he was getting into, Gage told him in advance "Yeah im gonna hurt you dude" and he whined so much after. For a guy who did deathmatch to try and prove himself he really didnt prove himself.
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Maybe Nick Gage shouldn't have overstepped the mark on what was agreed between the two. The guy's a piece of trash.
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Nick Gage definitely planned to decapitate David Arquette with that light tube and it wasn’t at all on Arquette for freaking out and trying to do some kind of panicked takedown by grabbing Gage’s legs when he had a sharp piece of glass held to his neck.
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Yeah, to hear Arquette talk about it he was in "This guy is gonna kill me if I don't shoot stop him" mode and to hear Gage talk about it he was in "This guy thinks he's shooting, gently caress him" mode. Dumb dumb situation all around
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I think this is all moot because from what I remember about Gages Jericho interview last year they basically buried the hatchet over the incident.
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Ganso Bomb posted:Everything! Cardio, bumps, drills, running the ropes, all of it. Whatever the class was, ref trainees did it unless it was getting into more advanced stuff. Basically, everyone needed to know how to bump and work safely in the ring but they didn’t need need do suplexes and getting slammed off the top rope. This is pretty much the same for the school I went to as well. They have a beginners class and a semi pro class. Refs and wrestlers do all the same beginners training: cardio, rolls, bumps, running the ropes, basic drills, lockups, holds, takedowns, strikes, basic moves, etc. Semi pro class is more advanced drills, advanced moves, match segments, and practice matches all with refs and commentary where feasible.
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Pinche Rudo posted:This is pretty much the same for the school I went to as well. They have a beginners class and a semi pro class. Refs and wrestlers do all the same beginners training: cardio, rolls, bumps, running the ropes, basic drills, lockups, holds, takedowns, strikes, basic moves, etc. Whenever I start talking about wrestling school it makes me miss wrestling school, then I just want to build a ring in my garage or something
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GEORGE W BUSHI posted:Some companies do recruit and train referees though. One of my friends actually applied when New Japan did a recent recruitment for new referees (the one they got Yuya Sakamoto and Taito Nakabayashi out of) but got rejected for being too small. Genuinely nutty that their height obsession extends to refs lol. A short ref makes the stars looks huge!
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Tonfa posted:Genuinely nutty that their height obsession extends to refs lol. A short ref makes the stars looks huge! Yeah. Part of the reason refs like Pee Wee Anderson or Marc Curtis were so good were they were tiny (too small to be taken seriously as wrestlers, especially in Curtis' case unfortunately) and made already big people look even more like monsters. It even goes down today with refs like Bryce.
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Tonfa posted:Genuinely nutty that their height obsession extends to refs lol. A short ref makes the stars looks huge! I mean the funny thing is Taito and Yuya are not exactly big men. I'm pretty sure he's at least taller than Taito
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is it some dumbass thought process like “if this were real he’d be too easily intimidated by the wrestlers”
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Maybe with all the ref bumps in New Japan they don't want to upset the people who thought Lance Archer wrestling Marko Stunt was problematic.
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jesus WEP posted:is it some dumbass thought process like “if this were real he’d be too easily intimidated by the wrestlers” yes, this is also the reason some people named Jim give for not liking female refs
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bebaloorpabopalo posted:yes, this is also the reason some people named Jim give for not liking female refs
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Speaking of refs, how did the nwo ref angle resolve? Did it?
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GEORGE W BUSHI posted:Maybe with all the ref bumps in New Japan they don't want to upset the people who thought Lance Archer wrestling Marko Stunt was problematic. That tweet won't leave my brain. I think about it when I'm making my morning coffee. When I'm taking a walk. When I'm in work meetings.
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Defenestrategy posted:Speaking of refs, how did the nwo ref angle resolve? Did it? If you mean Nick Patrick, there's a pretty good summary on wikipedia. quote:When the New World Order (nWo) formed in 1996, he joined and became their official referee. He would allow the nWo wrestlers to cheat and he would show a clear bias towards the nWo. Because of this, he was forced into a match against Chris Jericho at the World War 3 pay-per-view on November 24, 1996 in Norfolk, Virginia. Jericho had one arm tied behind his back and still defeated Patrick.
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