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exmarx: Feb 18, 2012; The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

what loving space does to a mf

# ? Jul 26, 2022 21:12

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# ? Jun 13, 2024 07:31

exmarx: Feb 18, 2012; The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

example 1,000 of space guys all being pieces of poo poo:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/129545204/space-scientist-sent-womans-private-details-to-colleagues-and-family-broke-into-her-home

quote:

Dr Duncan Irving Steel waged an online campaign against a woman, sending her private details to her family, workmates and former partner. He created flyers and a Facebook page with her personal details, and broke into her home to gather �evidence�.

A space scientist who has worked for NASA and the European Space Agency, 67-year-old Steel was sentenced in Nelson District Court on Tuesday on sentences of harmful digital communication and burglary.

[...]

In late November 2019, Steel chose a night he knew his victim would be out of the house and used a ladder to climb through her window. Inside, he went through her laptop and documents, photographing them.

When he found her passports, he hid them behind the desk drawers, knowing she was due to go overseas.

When the woman returned home, she heard someone in her house. Worried, she asked a neighbour to help her check the home. Steel escaped through the laundry door.

After the burglary, the abuse continued, with letters and emails, and texts to the victim�s mother.

In January, police searched Steel�s home. As well as the victim�s personal information, they found flyers listing the woman�s full name, occupation and personal information. The text read �please photograph and post on ... social media.�

# ? Aug 11, 2022 09:26

Weka: May 5, 2019; Can't post for 3 hours!

fabergay egg posted:

space australia is a big improvement over the island version. no need to do any genocide once you first get there, and it's much easier to get rid of the space australians once you're done with them

The hosed up thing is that Australia as it exists now was basically the British goal.

indigi posted:

you�d probably want to put a mining platform at L4 or 5 to easily exploit any Trojans

Shaped like a horse of course.

# ? Aug 11, 2022 11:22

Jeff Fatwood: Jun 17, 2013

exmarx posted:

example 1,000 of space guys all being pieces of poo poo:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/129545204/space-scientist-sent-womans-private-details-to-colleagues-and-family-broke-into-her-home

what the gently caress

# ? Aug 11, 2022 12:59

guidoanselmi: Feb 6, 2008; I thought my ideas were so clear. I wanted to make an honest post. No lies whatsoever.

exmarx posted:

example 1,000 of space guys all being pieces of poo poo:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/129545204/space-scientist-sent-womans-private-details-to-colleagues-and-family-broke-into-her-home

space madness is real

https://www.biography.com/news/lisa-nowak-lucy-in-the-sky

# ? Aug 11, 2022 18:19

Second Hand Meat Mouth: Sep 12, 2001

exmarx posted:

example 1,000 of space guys all being pieces of poo poo:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/129545204/space-scientist-sent-womans-private-details-to-colleagues-and-family-broke-into-her-home

didn't even wear a diaper, smdh

# ? Aug 11, 2022 20:46

Weka: May 5, 2019; Can't post for 3 hours!

It's New Zealand, you can drive from one end to the other in a day, and that's including the ferry.

# ? Aug 12, 2022 13:12

fabergay egg: Mar 1, 2012; it's not a rhetorical question, for politely saying 'you are an idiot, you don't know what you are talking about'

Weka posted:

The hosed up thing is that Australia as it exists now was basically the British goal.

the br*t*sh are a sick and twisted race

# ? Aug 12, 2022 23:31

exmarx: Feb 18, 2012; The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

https://www.al.com/news/2021/05/it-wasnt-justice-mother-of-2-girls-killed-by-alabama-astronaut-says-of-sentence.html

quote:

A former NASA space shuttle commander indicted on reckless murder charges in the traffic deaths of two girls pleaded guilty to reduced charges Thursday nearly five years after the crash.

James Halsell Jr., 64, of Huntsville, pleaded guilty to two manslaughter and two assault charges during a hearing in which relatives of the victims wore shirts emblazoned with images of 11-year-old Niomi Deona James and 13-year-old Jayla Latrick Parler, killed when a car driven by Halsell slammed into one driven by their father in rural Tuscaloosa County.

While Halsell could have received 20 years for each manslaughter charge and 10 years for each assault charge, a judge agreed to probation and ordered him to spend four years in prison without early release followed by 10 years on supervised release. Halsell could be sent back to prison for 16 years if he violates probation after his release, said District Attorney Hays Webb, who opposed the lighter treatment.

The former astronaut, who went to work in the aerospace industry after leaving NASA in 2006, apologized in court and was taken into custody immediately the hearing. Outside court, the girls� mother, Latrice Parler, said relatives weren�t pleased with the outcome.

�It wasn�t justice,� said Parler, who told the judge about the last time she saw the children and recounted the anguish of losing them.

�My daughters were amazing, beautiful, smart, strong little girls that could have been anything in this world if they had the opportunity to grow up, but that was taken from me and all of everyone else in this world,� Parler said. Halsell�s apology didn�t seem sincere, she said.

Webb said there were �no winners� in the case.

�It serves as a reminder that there�s a very fine line. You have someone who has been to space five times and, because of a bad decision on his part, wound up killing two girls,� Webb told The Associated Press in an interview afterward.

# ? Aug 13, 2022 05:59

Tighclops: Jan 23, 2008; Unable to deal with it; Grimey Drawer

sounds like he had the wrong stuff

# ? Aug 13, 2022 06:07

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

assault? was it a road rage thing?

# ? Aug 13, 2022 06:21

exmarx: Feb 18, 2012; The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

it was a dui, the assault charges relate to the parents (who survived)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Schmitt

quote:

Schmitt's view on climate change emphasizes natural over human factors as driving climate. Schmitt has expressed the view that the risks posed by climate change are overrated and suggests instead that climate change is a tool for people who are trying to increase the size of government.[28] He resigned his membership in the Planetary Society primarily because of its Mars-first policy, but also because of its stance on global warming, writing in his resignation letter that the "'global warming scare' is being used as a political tool to increase government control over American lives, incomes and decision making. It has no place in the Society's activities. [sic]"[28] Schmitt spoke at the March 2009 International Conference on Climate Change sponsored by the Heartland Institute.[34] He appeared in December that year on the Fox Business Network, saying "[t]he CO2 scare is a red herring".[35]

In a 2009 interview with conspiracy theorist and radio host Alex Jones, Schmitt asserted a link between the collapse of the Soviet Union and the American environmental movement: "I think the whole trend really began with the fall of the Soviet Union. Because the great champion of the opponents of liberty, namely communism, had to find some other place to go and they basically went into the environmental movement."[36] At the Heartland Institute's sixth International Conference on Climate Change Schmitt said that climate change was a stalking horse for National Socialism.[37]

Schmitt co-authored a 2013 Wall Street Journal opinion column with William Happer, contending that increasing levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere are not significantly correlated with global warming, attributing the "single-minded demonization of this natural and essential atmospheric gas" to advocates of government control of energy production. Noting a positive relationship between crop resistance to drought and increasing carbon dioxide levels, the authors argued, "Contrary to what some would have us believe, increased carbon dioxide in the atmosphere will benefit the increasing population on the planet by increasing agricultural productivity."[38]

# ? Aug 13, 2022 06:51

the milk machine: Jul 23, 2002; lick my keys

don't worry, technological progress exists so people doing crimes is already a solved problem

# ? Aug 13, 2022 17:24

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018; Can't post for 21 hours!

Harrison poo poo

# ? Aug 13, 2022 17:28

guidoanselmi: Feb 6, 2008; I thought my ideas were so clear. I wanted to make an honest post. No lies whatsoever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzy9jCFk0Iw

he can pilot an aluminum falcon but not an aluminum husky

# ? Aug 19, 2022 19:27

christmas boots: Oct 15, 2012; To these sing-alongs 🎤of siren 🧜🏻‍♀️songs
To oohs😮 to ahhs😱 to 👏big👏applause👏
With all of my 😡anger I scream🤬 and shout📢
🇺🇸America🦅, I love you 🥰but you're freaking 💦me 😳out; Biscuit Hider

I think space is really pretty and black holes are cool af does this make me a lib?

# ? Aug 19, 2022 19:59

Tighclops: Jan 23, 2008; Unable to deal with it; Grimey Drawer

Only if you think we should "solve our problems down here first!" while actively making things worse before looking at the black holes

It is only natural for us to want to prove nature's deepest, darkest holes

# ? Aug 19, 2022 21:09

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018; Can't post for 21 hours!

christmas boots posted:

I think space is really pretty and black holes are cool af does this make me a lib?

i got a black hole you can look at right here pal

# ? Aug 21, 2022 05:12

Pryor on Fire: May 14, 2013; they don't know all alien abduction experiences can be explained by people thinking saving private ryan was a documentary

NASA is captured by the defense contractors and has become a massive cash cow for them rather than a serious space agency. The SLS program is the pinnacle of how they operate as a pawn of the military corps, pushing ahead with old lovely tech because that's the most profitable to service.

https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1562054739877134336

quote:

What happened with the SLS program in the years since "Adrift" should surprise no one. The program's funding level has increased, and its development has been stretched out. The cost-plus contracting mechanism NASA used to fund development of the vehicle incentivizes Boeing and other contractors to spend more time and money working on a vehicle because they get more fees for a longer period. The SLS was sold to the public as a rocket that would be developed on time and on budget because it was derivative of the shuttle and used heritage hardware. Its cost-plus contract ensured the opposite occurred.

For all of these reasons, but particularly because of its opportunity costs and backward looking nature, the SLS rocket is just about the worst thing to happen to NASA in the last six decades.

Boeing�s free cash flow for 10 years totaled $58.37 billion, while the company spent $43.44 billion, or 74% of free cash flow, on stock repurchases.

NASA is literally transferring money directly to Boeing executives, that's their primary mission.

Pryor on Fire has issued a correction as of 15:40 on Aug 23, 2022

# ? Aug 23, 2022 15:27

the milk machine: Jul 23, 2002; lick my keys

that rings true enough, but eric berger is also a huge tesla/spacex stan whose entire beat is basically "nasa bad elon good"

like, i think it would be good if newspapers still existed even though we have broadband internet

# ? Aug 23, 2022 15:38

Pryor on Fire: May 14, 2013; they don't know all alien abduction experiences can be explained by people thinking saving private ryan was a documentary

the milk machine posted:

that rings true enough, but eric berger is also a huge tesla/spacex stan whose entire beat is basically "nasa bad elon good"

like, i think it would be good if newspapers still existed even though we have broadband internet

Yes I agree with that, the back end of the article is basically saying Elon will save us by launching 10 rockets per year and the space companies are so much better, which is, at best, access journalism bullshit.

# ? Aug 23, 2022 16:09

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018; Can't post for 21 hours!

Pryor on Fire posted:

NASA is captured by the defense contractors and has become a massive cash cow for them rather than a serious space agency. The SLS program is the pinnacle of how they operate as a pawn of the military corps, pushing ahead with old lovely tech because that's the most profitable to service.

You've described almost every federal agency.

# ? Aug 23, 2022 16:15

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018; Can't post for 21 hours!

There is no point of NASA now that the Soviets are no longer out there shooting poo poo up into space.

# ? Aug 23, 2022 16:15

the milk machine: Jul 23, 2002; lick my keys

the NASA worm logo is really cool though so it's hard to say if it's good or bad

# ? Aug 23, 2022 17:25

Tighclops: Jan 23, 2008; Unable to deal with it; Grimey Drawer

AnimeIsTrash posted:

There is no point of NASA now that the Soviets are no longer out there shooting poo poo up into space.

China is going to just keep steadily doing poo poo up there while NASA's balls are tied behind it's back by Boeing and Lockmart, neither of which have any financial incentive to design reusable boosters. They don't see or care which way the wind is blowing in the industry and will probably drag NASA down with them in the decade ahead while spaceflight in the west is taken over by SpaceX, Relativity and RocketLab, etc.

# ? Aug 23, 2022 18:38

cat botherer: Jan 6, 2022; I am interested in most phases of data processing.

space is stupid imo. there's no air, I like being where I can breathe, thanks

# ? Aug 24, 2022 00:32

exmarx: Feb 18, 2012; The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

https://twitter.com/nasaexoplanets/status/1561442514078314496

"other data" is doing so much heavy lifting lol

# ? Aug 24, 2022 03:54

Buck Wildman: Mar 30, 2010; I am Metango, Galactic Governor

that's just the sound my stomach makes after burrito night sorry to kill the romance

# ? Aug 24, 2022 04:26

Hatebag: Jun 17, 2008

Tighclops posted:

China is going to just keep steadily doing poo poo up there while NASA's balls are tied b0ehind it's back by Boeing and Lockmart, neither of which have any financial incentive to design reusable boosters. They don't see or care which way the wind is blowing in the industry and will probably drag NASA down with them in the decade ahead while spaceflight in the west is taken over by SpaceX, Relativity and RocketLab, etc.

The administration of nasa is a bunch of god damned morons who directly caused every shuttle explosion by cheaping out on maintenance and ignoring repeated requests by their engineers to fix problems. They probably are also bribed by boeing and presumably other aerospace companies as well:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-space-exploration-nasa-boeing/u-s-prosecutors-probe-ex-nasa-official-boeing-over-space-contract-sources-idUSKCN25A2SJ posted:

The sources said NASA’s Office of Inspector General found that Loverro told Boeing during a blackout period the company’s proposal was incomplete and discussed aspects of the bid that were missing.

After discussions with Loverro, Boeing officials submitted another version during the blackout period, raising legal concerns among agency procurement staff, one of the people said.

Loverro abruptly resigned in May after less than a year on the job, telling employees in an email seen by Reuters that he took certain “risks” to meet NASA’s 2024 moon deadline.

“It is clear that I made a mistake in that choice for which I alone must bear the consequences,” Loverro said, without explaining the mistake he was referring to.

Although i could certainly see not wanting to work with bezos or musk because those guys are psychotic morons

# ? Aug 24, 2022 13:33

christmas boots: Oct 15, 2012; To these sing-alongs 🎤of siren 🧜🏻‍♀️songs
To oohs😮 to ahhs😱 to 👏big👏applause👏
With all of my 😡anger I scream🤬 and shout📢
🇺🇸America🦅, I love you 🥰but you're freaking 💦me 😳out; Biscuit Hider

exmarx posted:

https://twitter.com/nasaexoplanets/status/1561442514078314496

"other data" is doing so much heavy lifting lol

I was really hoping it was going to be a rickroll or Hooked on a feeling or something.

# ? Aug 24, 2022 19:37

Aglet56: Sep 1, 2011

Hatebag posted:

The administration of nasa is a bunch of god damned morons who directly caused every shuttle explosion by cheaping out on maintenance and ignoring repeated requests by their engineers to fix problems. They probably are also bribed by boeing and presumably other aerospace companies as well:

the shuttle was extremely dangerous from its inception (well, moreso than most space vehicles). the reusable heat shield tiles proved to be extremely finicky (and indeed, heat shield failures wound up destroying columbia). engineers were so concerned about heat shield failures that they considered installing a crane in the shuttle so they could investigate replace tiles in orbit.

many design decisions in the shuttle were due to the project receiving DoD funding with the promise that the shuttle could both launch and retrieve spy satellites in a polar orbit, a capability which was never used.

more details in this article from 1980, a year before the first shuttle launch: http://www.iasa-intl.com/folders/shuttle/GoodbyeColumbia.html

# ? Aug 24, 2022 23:12

the milk machine: Jul 23, 2002; lick my keys

america can't and won't do anything major without DoD involvement, that includes spacex et al

# ? Aug 24, 2022 23:21

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018; Can't post for 21 hours!

the milk machine posted:

america can't and won't do anything major without DoD involvement, that includes spacex et al

Yasha Lavine wrote a great article about this. I will find it when I have some time.

If you remember big headlines about Musk giving the Ukrainians star link. It later came out that the dod bought those units at a around million a piece.

# ? Aug 25, 2022 02:59

HookedOnChthonics: Dec 5, 2015; Profoundly dull

Aglet56 posted:

the shuttle was extremely dangerous from its inception (well, moreso than most space vehicles). the reusable heat shield tiles proved to be extremely finicky (and indeed, heat shield failures wound up destroying columbia). engineers were so concerned about heat shield failures that they considered installing a crane in the shuttle so they could investigate replace tiles in orbit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbiter_Boom_Sensor_System they did in fact install a crane to investigate tiles after columbia

no plan for replacing them tho, if there were busted tiles than the plan was to launch a second shuttle to grab the astronauts lol

Aglet56 posted:

many design decisions in the shuttle were due to the project receiving DoD funding with the promise that the shuttle could both launch and retrieve spy satellites in a polar orbit, a capability which was never used.

STS-51-A brought back two broken communication satellites :pseudo:

# ? Aug 25, 2022 05:27

the milk machine: Jul 23, 2002; lick my keys

i'm disappointed we never got several shuttles stuck in orbit because they kept launching them to save the previous crew, but their snowflake thermal tiles needed a safe space

# ? Aug 25, 2022 18:13

Colonel Cancer: Sep 26, 2015; Tune into the fireplace channel, you absolute buffoon

Space Sargasso station built out of lashed together shuttles in LEO and full of stranded cosmonauts :thunk:

# ? Aug 25, 2022 19:00

christmas boots: Oct 15, 2012; To these sing-alongs 🎤of siren 🧜🏻‍♀️songs
To oohs😮 to ahhs😱 to 👏big👏applause👏
With all of my 😡anger I scream🤬 and shout📢
🇺🇸America🦅, I love you 🥰but you're freaking 💦me 😳out; Biscuit Hider

The space shuttle is obviously the best one since it's the one they used when I was a kid and nostalgia is the most efficient fuel source in the world .

# ? Aug 25, 2022 19:06

Zerg Mans: Oct 19, 2006

fabergay egg posted:

space australia is a big improvement over the island version. no need to do any genocide once you first get there, and it's much easier to get rid of the space australians once you're done with them

how many members of the Ginyu Force are from island Australia? I thought not.

# ? Aug 25, 2022 21:28

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018; Can't post for 21 hours!

AnimeIsTrash posted:

Yasha Lavine wrote a great article about this. I will find it when I have some time.

If you remember big headlines about Musk giving the Ukrainians star link. It later came out that the dod bought those units at a around million a piece.

Here are the 2 articles I was talking about

https://yasha.substack.com/p/elon-musk-is-surveillance-valley
https://yasha.substack.com/p/elon-musk-is-a-military-contractor

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# ? Jun 13, 2024 07:31

Pryor on Fire: May 14, 2013; they don't know all alien abduction experiences can be explained by people thinking saving private ryan was a documentary

And to the surprise of nobody NASA failed to launch the SLS due to problems with the ancient RS-25 engine. They made Kamala fly down to watch the launch lmao

# ? Aug 29, 2022 21:55

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