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BrainDance
May 8, 2007

Disco all night long!

you can recycle some drugs that way

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Haunta
Apr 9, 2011
I really appreciate all you guys share in this thread. The hands on, grittier view of life in Asia makes for compelling reading. I've never been out there, but learning the concept of chabudo, reading about angry Korean men and listening to extremely weird but catchy songs about the five year plan is an education all of itself. A lot of posters have lamented the recent illiberal trends, and it's clear the concern comes from genuine affection for and experience with the region, not some kind of political axe-grinding. I wish there was more space for this kind of discussion out there.

Although, pissbottle talk is good too.

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!

Atlas Hugged posted:

Carrying around your piss does raise an eyebrow or two.

But how else are you supposed to show Spies who is the boss?

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
Can't remember if this was brought up in the thread, but Singapore did in fact decriminalize homosexual sex. However, to make sure that they didn't think they were humans with equal rights, they are moving to change the constitution to ensure that the courts can't choose to rule that marriage has to apply to all adults equally.

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
they fully intend to have gay marriage, the intent is to do it with a law and not a judicial ruling so the bureaucracy can deal with it easier. someone link qntm's database admin of gay marriage thing

bob dobbs is dead fucked around with this message at 13:03 on Aug 29, 2022

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
but oh boy they're gonna procrastinate

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
I need to talk to my coworkers more about it. Most of them are working at my school because they want to be able to be openly gay and work in education at the same time. My understanding is that the legislature's move was specifically to block the court's from being able to make decisions and that would delay any changes for at least another generation.

Seth Pecksniff
May 27, 2004

can't believe shrek is fucking dead. rip to a real one.
man I need to travel more :(

fish and chips and dip
Feb 17, 2010
Malaysia is the only Asian country I've driven a car myself in. I was on Borneo, being used to Chinese traffic I did find the local drivers to be surprisingly chill, the roads were great and gas cheap. I can really recommend visiting Shabah in Malaysia. Never been to KL though, except for the airport.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
I had a motorcycle and then a car in Taiwan before downgrading everything to a 175cc scooter for convenience. I drove from Taipei to Pingtung once and it was fine on the expressway. In town traffic sucked, but I never took a car into downtown Taipei more than once or twice because there was just no need to. The motorcycle was just a basic street bike, but its size made it a hassle, especially in traffic and finding parking. The scooter was just the more logical choice.

In Bangkok, I have a bicycle and have gone on some pretty busy roads with it, but I mostly just stay out in the suburbs and bike to the mall near my community. My wife bought a scooter recently, so we've been messing around with that a bit, but again have avoided actually going onto Sukhumvit so far.

A lot of my friends here have bigger families and so need a car, and they seem perfectly fine with Bangkok traffic. I've gone places with them driving and other than having to get used to being on the wrong side of the road, it's just really congested driving is all.

Ups_rail
Dec 8, 2006

by Fluffdaddy
oh now china is going to have economic pain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWjBqhoYkJ4

I saw video on youtube the other day of a white dude marrying a Malaysian indian woman I thought it was cute.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Haunta posted:

A lot of posters have lamented the recent illiberal trends, and it's clear the concern comes from genuine affection for and experience with the region, not some kind of political axe-grinding. I wish there was more space for this kind of discussion out there.

Yeah. There's a lot to like about China and it wasn't good before Xi, but was better and seemed like it might be going in the right direction. It's sad seeing what's going on. If China snapped its fingers and turned into Taiwan overnight I'd move back in an instant.

Kharnifex
Sep 11, 2001

The Banter is better in AusGBS

yugioh mishima posted:

Cambodia: sihanoukville is the single sketchiest place i have ever visited, god. very unsurprised that all the taiwanese ppl who are getting human trafficked over there ended up in sihanoukville. the islands off otres are unbelievably beautiful tho. when i went there kampot was full of white guys in their 50s and 60s propping up the various bars complaining about their cambodian wives so if that’s your scene great i guess. also i have a friend who worked at a school in Phnom penh and the stories he has about his coworkers there are just something else. e.g. there was a guy who carried around a bottle of his own piss, which he would drink for “health benefits”

malaysia is somewhat underrated, the food in particular is unbelievable (penang is probably the best food destination in SEA and i’ve been everywhere bar indonesia and the philippines), but agreed that the whole country is Pedestrian Hell

Sihanoukville is nothing but high rise and half built casinos now, and kampots full of hipsters

Ups_rail
Dec 8, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

Grand Fromage posted:

Yeah. There's a lot to like about China and it wasn't good before Xi, but was better and seemed like it might be going in the right direction. It's sad seeing what's going on. If China snapped its fingers and turned into Taiwan overnight I'd move back in an instant.

Was it you or another goon who thought 2008 when china did the Olympics and Jackie Chan was signing "china welcomes you" that it felt like things were getting better?

If you go back to the older threads like the ones in 2015 and such there was alot of bitching about chinese version of "country jays" and various bodily things.

Plus alot of snuff gifs involving trucks vs scooters.


I m personally fascinated by the post 90's generation who grew up to a better standard than their parents and arent seeing that standard go up.

Along with china needing to mature its economy but improving it human capital, aka having higher skilled workers

PITY BONER
Oct 18, 2021
Besides the Chinese wink-wink nudge-nudge naval base being built, I swore I read somewhere that Cambodian government embezzlers sold like an 80-mile stretch of coastal land to China for other reasons. That might actually be the same land the naval base is sitting on, and I might be totally mixed up.

Kharnifex posted:

Sihanoukville is nothing but high rise and half built casinos now, and kampots full of hipsters
The government seemed fine letting Chinese firms take over multiple cities and do what they did to create ghost cities back in China. They are now Siem Reaping what they have sown, lol. Zero Covid measures keeping Chinese from traveling has utterly collapsed the China-Cambodia construction grift.

https://www.khmertimeskh.com/501129255/covid-19-gambling-ban-leave-sville-biz-sulking/

quote:

Covid-19, gambling ban leave S’ville biz sulking

Covid-19 and the ban on online gambling have left several businesses in Cambodia’s coastal city Sihanoukville sulking with over 1,500 multi-million building projects reportedly abandoned midway by investors.

The city had a thriving gambling business from 2015 to 2019, but the government suddenly clamped a ban on it in August 2019, forcing many of the investors in the business to leave the country.

The ban was followed by Covid-19, leading to the further flight of Chinese investors, sources in the real estate sector told Khmer Times.
Though they're trying to say that everything will come back in the future, those half-built buildings will not withstand years of neglect. Even back in 2018, this was becoming an obvious problem, and I can't imagine what it's like now.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-09-10/chinese-money-is-driving-a-property-boom-in-cambodia

quote:

Chinese Money Is Driving One of Asia’s Fastest Property Booms

Cambodia’s capital may be experiencing one of the world’s fastest property booms — thanks to Chinese builders and buyers.

When Chinese President Xi Jinping arrived in Phnom Penh in October 2016 to expand the footprint of his Belt and Road initiative, he brought in tow more than 200 Chinese investors eager to fill the Cambodian capital’s skyline with billions of dollars in new properties.

Now, a city once known for its French colonial villas and modernist “New Khmer Architecture” in the 1960s is becoming unrecognizable. Heritage structures are being replaced with expensive high-rise condominiums in a city where the median household income is only around $11,000 per year.
Cambodian government: "We're 100% trying to help the Cambodian people elevate their standard of liv... I am sorry, I can't say this with a straight face."

quote:

The supply of condominiums in Phnom Penh is expected to double during this year to more than 20,000 units, according to CBRE. For Southeast Asia’s second-poorest country, some of the approved projects are enormous.

Guangzhou Yuetai Group’s Harbor Bay includes 24 high-rise buildings along the city’s riverbank. While Macau-based Sun Kian Ip Group wants to erect a 133-story Twin Tower World Trade Center for $2.7 billion that would be one of the world’s tallest buildings.

Even more ambitious is the government’s plan for a new $80 billion capital to the north of the city, called "Samdech Techo Dragon City" after Hun Sen’s official title and zodiac sign.

“Ultimately, a lot of these projects are lining the pockets of top regime officials to little benefit of those on the ground,” said Michael Kugelman, deputy director of the Wilson Center’s Asia Program in Washington. “That’s one of the sad realities of Cambodia.”
Ah, yes. Good. Nothing weird about any of this in a place that has a GDP of only $25 billion and millions living at subsistence or poverty level.

quote:

Most of the new stock of condos is being bought by Chinese investors, who neither live in Cambodia nor rent the units, leaving some development zones, such as the prime riverside area of Tonle Bassac, eerily dark despite dozens of completed high-rises.

Chinese developers “build and wait, because they don’t care if they get local buyers or not,” said Rithy Sear, chairman of local conglomerate and developer WorldBridge International Co.

For the developers, Cambodia offers a way to generate earnings outside of China in a country with a largely dollarized economy and a friendly government. While land and condo prices have risen steeply, they are still a fraction of those in China.
Hey, this practice sounds familiar, and definitely doesn't seem to have caused problems for locals in countries around the world (and Chinese in China). Ask any Canadian how well this practice has worked out, I'm sure they'll have lots of positive things to say.

quote:

Meantime, Phnom Penh’s skyline continues its transformation. Before 2011, the city had no buildings over 15 stories. Businesses worked out of old villas or shophouses, mixed with Buddhist temples and modernist marvels from a two-decade architectural revival that ended in 1975, when the capital fell to the Khmer Rouge.

Some of the city’s poorest have borne the brunt of the change. Thousands of families were driven out of the area around Boeung Kak, a former lake in the city center that was ten times the size of Central Park Lake before it was filled with sand for development. The project, owned by the family of a senator in the ruling party, proceeded in fits and starts over the past decade, until it was revived in 2016 with a new Chinese backer.

“We are very afraid,” said Thida, 28, who lives near what used to be the shore of the lake and is worried her home could be demolished. “I want to change everything in Cambodia, but I cannot do it alone.”
The ruling party is mostly comprised of people who were part of the Khmer Rouge. They never had empathy for their compatriots, and they never will. Self-enrichment is the name of the game.

I'm of the opinion that much of Asia will be better off once these old-guard dinosaurs in office start dropping dead. But, then I see that in places like the Philippines that the people wholeheartedly elected the China-friendly son of the guy that hosed their country over for decades, and the daughter of the guy that just got done loving them over (partly for China), and I'm like "welp, that's how it goes."

Ups_rail
Dec 8, 2006

by Fluffdaddy
wow I d been to Cambodia back in 2013 now i kinda want to see what it looks like now.

Hmm I wonder how things in Lao are these days

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!

Seth Pecksniff posted:

man I need to travel more :(

I know I should, but I have hangups able travelling alone to places I've never been (I just know I'm going to monumentally gently caress something up)

ninjoatse.cx
Apr 9, 2005

Fun Shoe

WarpedNaba posted:

I know I should, but I have hangups able travelling alone to places I've never been (I just know I'm going to monumentally gently caress something up)

I'm picturing WarpedNaba's av brushing up against a teletubby statue.

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
try it on easy mode to rich anglo countries then ease into it to japan then korea / taiwan then whatever

extremely costly but thats life

PITY BONER
Oct 18, 2021
It's called "The Belt and Road" project because Xi's belt is as long as a road is wide.

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

PITY BONER posted:

It's called "The Belt and Road" project because Xi's belt is as long as a road is wide.

As someone who shares his unique body type, I can sympathize.

my homie dhall
Dec 9, 2010

honey, oh please, it's just a machine

WarpedNaba posted:

I know I should, but I have hangups able travelling alone to places I've never been (I just know I'm going to monumentally gently caress something up)

do you want your headstone to read “never hosed up” or something?

peanut
Sep 9, 2007


Try visiting an old friend who lives far away, joining a volunteer team like Habitat for Humanity, or connecting with locals like couchsurfing. It's easy to travel alone when you're not alone the whole time.

Kharnifex
Sep 11, 2001

The Banter is better in AusGBS
Its the same in Laos atm, multiple insane developments, all destroying waterways and ecosystems etc

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
There's a building I regularly pass that is proudly labeled the Thai-Chinese tower. It stands empty and only partially finished and has for years.

Atopian
Sep 23, 2014

I need a security perimeter with Venetian blinds.

my homie dhall posted:

do you want your headstone to read “never hosed up” or something?

drat you for saying what I tried to last page, but better.

Atopian
Sep 23, 2014

I need a security perimeter with Venetian blinds.

PITY BONER posted:

Though they're trying to say that everything will come back in the future, those half-built buildings will not withstand years of neglect. Even back in 2018, this was becoming an obvious problem, and I can't imagine what it's like now.

Be fair, though, that stuff is going to be amazing to explore in 10-20 years when the jungle has reclaimed it.

Come for the ancient religious temple-city half-swallowed by vines!
Stay for the recent financial temple-city half-swallowed by vines!

Ups_rail
Dec 8, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

Atlas Hugged posted:

There's a building I regularly pass that is proudly labeled the Thai-Chinese tower. It stands empty and only partially finished and has for years.

Money ran out or it was just a way to move money out of china.

I know I nice ghetto filled with tweakers and I wish I could get some belt and road money to build condos over looking the area.

I was in bangkok one time and this dude at the urinal started talking to me about indians...he said very rude things about them.

On time I went to beppu in oita prefecture japan and I saw the steel frame of a building. Like it got that far as just having the I beams. But then they ran out of money. What made me stop and look was how loving rusted it was.

bones 4 beginners
Jan 7, 2018

"...a masterpiece that no one can read too often, or admire too much."

Haunta posted:

I really appreciate all you guys share in this thread. The hands on, grittier view of life in Asia makes for compelling reading.

The block next to mine regularly floods sewage onto the sidewalk, and someone in my building has taken to throwing used adult diapers out the window to bake in the hot sun. lovely n gritty in Asia's world city!!

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

bones 4 beginners posted:

The block next to mine regularly floods sewage onto the sidewalk, and someone in my building has taken to throwing used adult diapers out the window to bake in the hot sun. lovely n gritty in Asia's world city!!

Is that someone you?

bones 4 beginners
Jan 7, 2018

"...a masterpiece that no one can read too often, or admire too much."
If there's a better way keep gaming without stupid interruptions from bodily functions I'd like to hear it.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/151838944827277312/1005235602540736582/VID_150710621_184317_855.mp4

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!

ninjoatse.cx posted:

I'm picturing WarpedNaba's av brushing up against a teletubby statue.

"Plenty of Tinky but no Winky."

my homie dhall posted:

do you want your headstone to read “never hosed up” or something?

More "He certainly hosed up a lot less in life when he gained some self-awareness."

Atopian
Sep 23, 2014

I need a security perimeter with Venetian blinds.
At age X, introspective people are inevitably going to regret their fuckups at age X-Y.

For some people Y is 5 minutes. For others it's 10 years. But regrettable things are going to be done - are being done right now, probably. Just try your best I guess.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar
So, about that drought in China

quote:

China drought causes Yangtze to dry up

A record-breaking drought has caused some rivers in China – including parts of the Yangtze – to dry up, affecting hydropower, halting shipping, and forcing major companies to suspend operations.

A nationwide drought alert was issued on Friday as a long-running and severe heatwave in China’s heavily populated south-west was forecast to continue well into September.

The loss of water flow to China’s extensive hydropower system has sparked a “grave situation” in Sichuan, which gets more than 80% of its energy from hydropower.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12CrnET3wTo

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose
Oh poo poo

Devils Affricate
Jan 22, 2010
Imagine the aroma of the freshly exposed Yangtze river bed

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth

Megillah Gorilla posted:

So, about that drought in China

Starting to think there may be something to this whole "climate change" business!!!

Ups_rail
Dec 8, 2006

by Fluffdaddy
wait i thought china was having alot of flooding problems and that drat was gonna break anytime now.

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Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


The cool thing is because of weird things that happen to the way soil absorbs water, you can have severe flooding during a massive drought.

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