|
if its the big one, they'd launch missiles at us bases in japan and as far as guam too. it would be a real dumb idea to ever push them to that point.
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2022 06:11
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 25, 2024 13:52 |
|
|
north Korea has smuggled a suitcase nuke into every major American city via submarine. they are just waiting for Kim to send the signal
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2022 06:14
|
|
|
that would own
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2022 06:17
|
|
|
Bar Ran Dun posted:the logistics of oil don’t work that way. do you need to do a special chant or cast a spell or something what the gently caress are you talking about
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2022 12:55
|
|
|
There’s a lot of cope in estimates of North Korea’s artillery park. It’s not my desk, but I’ve seen people say “of course most of those guns can’t possibly be maintained” or “well, we know the location of the bunkers they’d be firing from” “a vigorous air and counterbattery program would silence them in hours”. I’m not saying they’re the best gunners in the world because I don’t know, but certainly they have the tubes and the munitions, just trying to brush it off seems shortsighted.
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2022 12:59
|
|
|
Frosted Flake posted:There’s a lot of cope in estimates of North Korea’s artillery park. It’s not my desk, but I’ve seen people say “of course most of those guns can’t possibly be maintained” or “well, we know the location of the bunkers they’d be firing from” “a vigorous air and counterbattery program would silence them in hours”. In all likelihood considering what we have seen North Korea has a developed artillery industry at this point, they have been doing better economically and artillery is clearly core to their doctrine. They clearly have the tech to build shells and more barrels. Then there is the question of air power, and I actually think the West is going to be a paper tiger here considering how much ordinance the US is going to have to dump to even the odds and the fact that clearly North Korean air defenses are improving. Also, how much is the US going to do to fight on what is now a tertiary front? I mean at the end of the day, how economical is it going to launch strike missions in a hostile air space when the North Koreans clearly have planned very far ahead and have tons of bunkers with underground caches? In addition, does even SK have a response to when North Korea obliterate everything within 40km of the border? The North Koreans also have a bunch of heavy SPGs as well they could start inching up. North Korea obviously is still limited by their economy and trade access but if the sanction wall came down, it may not exactly go so great for SK.
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2022 13:35
|
|
|
Bar Ran Dun posted:the logistics of oil don’t work that way. You safeguard the oil fields so that separatist can get the oil to the people you want.
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2022 13:45
|
|
|
I think you’re right, but just as North Korea has to maintain credible deterrence, the US probably needs to assure SK they have an insurmountable military advantage for their diplomatic posture to find support.
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2022 13:46
|
|
|
Frosted Flake posted:I think you’re right, but just as North Korea has to maintain credible deterrence, the US probably needs to assure SK they have an insurmountable military advantage for their diplomatic posture to find support. I would say the issue is that the US is still being pulled in multiple directions, and in Asia, especially their advantage may not actually be there. It really comes down to China/Russia, and the fact they still have a veto via trade. I wouldn’t be surprised if push came to shove on another front, that suddenly the North Koreans would start to get a little more perky.
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2022 14:00
|
|
|
Frosted Flake posted:There’s a lot of cope in estimates of North Korea’s artillery park. It’s not my desk, but I’ve seen people say “of course most of those guns can’t possibly be maintained” or “well, we know the location of the bunkers they’d be firing from” “a vigorous air and counterbattery program would silence them in hours”. "they could only bombard seoul for a few hours tops" does not seem like a great proposition if you don't want mass civilian death lol
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2022 14:09
|
|
|
lobster shirt posted:"they could only bombard seoul for a few hours tops" does not seem like a great proposition if you don't want mass civilian death lol Yeah Mercenaries, had a count down timer where literally thousands of people were dying in by the second, and it wasn’t considered that weird at the time. In Mercenaries 2, your goal is to assassinate the president of Venezuela, who was Chavez.
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2022 14:32
|
|
|
I mean the US doesn't need to have an actual military answer because as soon as they hit the bases in Japan and Guam they'll get nuked
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2022 16:16
|
|
|
Grapplejack posted:I mean the US doesn't need to have an actual military answer because as soon as they hit the bases in Japan and Guam they'll get nuked In turn, the US would have to use a significant portion of their throw-weight against a distraction, and the US would be wide open for a Russian/Chinese counter-strike. It is why it is it is a bit of a tricky issue for the US. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 16:56 on Aug 29, 2022 |
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2022 16:24
|
|
|
Turtle Watch posted:Controlling oil fields isn’t important to the logistics of owning oil? not particularly, you have to move it. that takes either pipelines or ships/ terminals. it is stupid capital intensive and the logistics are obvious. anybody can track ships, anybody can look at sat photos on Google and see what type of a terminal is where.
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2022 16:36
|
|
|
lol y’all really stretching “stealing”
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2022 16:37
|
|
|
Borders are meaningless, only the law of the wasteland stands.
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2022 17:04
|
|
|
Bar Ran Dun posted:lol y’all really stretching “stealing” biden isn't going over there with a big straw and sucking it up no modern imperialism isn't purely extractive, dipshit
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2022 17:13
|
|
|
there's no way in hell the US has enough airframes and ordnance to silence the amount of guns the DPRK would have firing over the DMZ if the balloon ever went up. Hell, throw in the ROK military and it still wouldn't be enough
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2022 17:43
|
|
|
Goast posted:biden isn't going over there with a big straw and sucking it up no Occupying a sovereign country in order to deny resources to your adversaries is only something a bloodthirsty empire would do. And the US would never do that because by God that would violate international law! btw please don't google Delta Crescent Energy
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2022 20:16
|
|
|
Goast posted:biden isn't going over there with a big straw and sucking it up no abstract extraction actual extraction looks like this https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/05/05/europe/russia-ukraine-grain-theft-cmd-intl/index.html
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2022 20:48
|
|
|
What exactly is "abstract" about taking the oil and moving it to Turkey or Israel?
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2022 20:57
|
|
|
Bar Ran Dun posted:abstract extraction lmao that you believe this. Stick to your areas of expertise.
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2022 21:06
|
|
|
Lostconfused posted:lmao that you believe this. Stick to your areas of expertise. which is the international shipment of bulk and containerized commodities. y’all want to conflate different sides in a internal conflict having control of production with theft
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2022 22:43
|
|
|
lol
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2022 22:46
|
|
|
oh so you are just a pedantic dipshit arguing definitions now
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2022 22:50
|
|
|
"the us not giving a poo poo about the kurds and only protecting them so they can truck out and sell the oil instead of assad isn't technically stealing"
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2022 22:52
|
|
|
Ardennes posted:Yeah Mercenaries, had a count down timer where literally thousands of people were dying in by the second, and it wasn’t considered that weird at the time. also the US are depicted as straight up villains who are only there to serve the interests of oil companies looking to privatize and steal VZ’s oil, one of the factions you work with is a Marxist guerrilla movement who pay you to kill the oil companies’ mercenaries, and the Chinese are the most honest, straightforward, and decent people in the game also there’s a major faction of Jamaican pirates who are all Rastafarian stereotypes and get into full-on conventional battles with the Venezuelan Army it was a weird fuckin game
|
|
#
?
Aug 30, 2022 00:39
|
|
|
Goast posted:"the us not giving a poo poo about the kurds and only protecting them so they can truck out and sell the oil instead of assad isn't technically stealing" it actually makes very little difference to the market wether the Kurds or Assad get the money for it. the buyers probably aren’t even different.
|
|
#
?
Aug 30, 2022 01:23
|
|
|
Bar Ran Dun posted:it actually makes very little difference to the market wether the Kurds or Assad get the money for it. the buyers probably aren’t even different. I feel like it matters quite a bit to the Kurds and Assad
|
|
#
?
Aug 30, 2022 01:26
|
|
|
Bar Ran Dun posted:it actually makes very little difference to the market wether the Kurds or Assad get the money for it. the buyers probably aren’t even different. Syria wasn't selling oil to Israel, just for starters.
|
|
#
?
Aug 30, 2022 01:29
|
|
|
Bar Ran Dun posted:it actually makes very little difference to the market wether the Kurds or Assad get the money for it. the buyers probably aren’t even different. Please keep posting this is funny.
|
|
#
?
Aug 30, 2022 01:30
|
|
|
indigi posted:I feel like it matters quite a bit to the Kurds and Assad yes but that isn’t the US “stealing”. and lol all y’all pro Assad?
|
|
#
?
Aug 30, 2022 01:30
|
|
|
Bar Ran Dun posted:all y’all pro Assad? in this thread we support & love The Axis of Resistance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN3RaeBT1Wo
|
|
#
?
Aug 30, 2022 01:38
|
|
|
who must go?
|
|
#
?
Aug 30, 2022 01:40
|
|
|
Bar Ran Dun posted:yes mostly im just not yet ready to die
|
|
#
?
Aug 30, 2022 01:47
|
|
|
Bar Ran Dun posted:and lol all y’all pro Assad? Everyone loves a winner.
|
|
#
?
Aug 30, 2022 01:53
|
|
|
Bar Ran Dun posted:yes
|
|
#
?
Aug 30, 2022 02:09
|
|
|
Bar Ran Dun posted:yes how is it not stealing
|
|
#
?
Aug 30, 2022 02:18
|
|
|
We're denying a core resource to the use of a government which needs to rebuild from the war, so that an unrecognized autonomous zone can take it and sell it off to the state's enemies (including the enemy that deliberately attacks them) under American pressure & protection. BUT IT'S NOT STEALING!
|
|
#
?
Aug 30, 2022 02:22
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 25, 2024 13:52 |
|
|
it’s war and we support one of the sides. that’s the real complaint any way isn’t it? that we support the one side. one doesn’t have to dress it up and use language to frame it as something else.
|
|
#
?
Aug 30, 2022 02:30
|
|