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I'm assuming we're going to find Athena possessing Claudien come 6.4
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Lord_Magmar posted:My Azem's name was Apollo (gift of prophecy, sun association, music and travel and joy). He still hosed Emet though. My Azem's name is Echidna and spent every day of her life earning that name's reputation. Emet and Hyth stick around her more because they're rightfully scared of what she'd do if left unattended. Venat selected her as her replacement as a prank. Athena is my favorite Ancient not because I think she's innocent and has good ideas, but because she's the only Ancient who strives to realize their people's potential to be absolutely loving horrifying to an outside observer. I have no interest in a society of tall perfect hotties, give me someone doing the high-octane crazy poo poo from mythology!
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Aug 30, 2022 05:28
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Dr Pepper posted:I'm assuming we're going to find Athena possessing Claudien come 6.4 Non-zero chance we're about to see what an Ascian who isn't a member of Organization XIII looks and acts like. I don't think we've run into a 'feral' one since 1.0, have we? The Primes use a variant of their model and their skeleton gets reused for some undead mobs, but I don't think we've seen an actual, feral Ascian in a very very long time.
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Aug 30, 2022 05:42
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My Azem was also Apollo and they are not that interesting because tbh I care about my WoLs more. Was high school friends with Emet and Hythlodaeus before becoming Venat’s mentee. Really the most interesting part is they got technically sundered twice for mumble mumble aetherial sea reasons because choosing one of my WoLs to be the Azem reincarnation was a little like choosing a favorite child. (Viera WoL almost died when he was born but got resuscitated last second before his soul could completely return to the aetherial sea, which kinda snapped in in half between him and the sea. The other half got reborn as Au Ra WoL ~30 years later.)
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Aug 30, 2022 05:46
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Cleretic posted:My Azem's name is Echidna and spent every day of her life earning that name's reputation. Emet and Hyth stick around her more because they're rightfully scared of what she'd do if left unattended. Venat selected her as her replacement as a prank. Echidna, Knuckes the
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Aug 30, 2022 05:59
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I am full on the Persephone train and all about her and Emet's whirlwind crazy romance. I'm not opposed to the polycule stuff, but since I'm not poly it's hard to relate to, and what I care about is the Azem/Emet romance spurred on by Hythlodaeus as he does his best to try and make fire and water work out together. And because he's so good at it, they do work together even better than apart.
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Aug 30, 2022 06:06
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azem is named harald petersen and he's a bank teller from ocean city maryland it's canon, trust me
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Aug 30, 2022 06:15
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Dread Persephone, terrible queen of the underworld, whose name is forbidden from mortal lips lest they invoke her ire for interrupting her while she wrestles a ham sandwich from the clutches of a raccoon in a dumpster behind the alleyway
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Aug 30, 2022 06:22
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Azem is Apate, and everything up to 7.0 has all been the longest con in the entire story.
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Aug 30, 2022 09:16
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It is not that some people have an inability to conceive of close friendships, its that some people like to imagine romances that are also close friendships. To rephrase something that people have said better elsewhere, for a lot of the shipping-inclined it is not that everything is about sexualizing friendship, it's frendship-izing sexual or romantic relationships. Seeing that in a lot of media many presented romances are very "yes they're in love, no we don't need to give reasons, we stuck a guy and a gal together, isn't that enough?" a certain sort of creative impulse will latch onto a sufficiently good friendship and, well, do the thing. It's not like the romance eliminates that friendship, it's that they've got that and they smooch. Having said all that, my WoL's Azem was just really good friends with those two. That's the particular vibe I got, so that's what I've rolled with! I still haven't settled on a name, though, maybe I should borrow one from one of you guys... hexwren posted:azem is named harald petersen and he's a bank teller from ocean city maryland 
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Aug 30, 2022 11:12
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It's been funny seeing people lament the lack of generically evil women in the game and then this patch hits and people are now lamenting how Athena seems generically evil. You can't please everyone!
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Aug 30, 2022 12:42
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Ibram Gaunt posted:It's been funny seeing people lament the lack of generically evil women in the game and then this patch hits and people are now lamenting how Athena seems generically evil. You can't please everyone! Once again FFXIV gives us everything we wanted! And yet...
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Aug 30, 2022 12:50
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Ibram Gaunt posted:It's been funny seeing people lament the lack of generically evil women in the game and then this patch hits and people are now lamenting how Athena seems generically evil. You can't please everyone! I don't think anyone here is lamenting that. There's a bunch of dumbass contrarians on the official forums who are convinced she can't be, but I feel like we're all pretty fine with Athena being Just The loving Worst. However, we're also aware that we don't have all the pieces of this puzzle, so there's probably more to her than her being Just The loving Worst.
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Aug 30, 2022 12:59
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Cleretic posted:I don't think anyone here is lamenting that. There's a bunch of dumbass contrarians on the official forums who are convinced she can't be, but I feel like we're all pretty fine with Athena being Just The loving Worst. I dunno, having someone peer directly into her soul, comprehending everything she is, and then say they saw nothing but the drive for her own progress with exactly zero concern, interest or love for anyone and anything outside of that is pretty conclusive to me.
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Aug 30, 2022 13:24
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I think we'll get some kind of backstory for how she came to be like this, but not nearly enough for her to join our roster of hot sympathetic warcrime buddies
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Aug 30, 2022 13:29
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Yeah, I expect her to get more complicated, I don't expect her to get less evil. After all, all Lahabrea said on looking into her soul was 'wow, you're just a total unrepentant shitbag', we still don't really know why or to what end.
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Aug 30, 2022 13:40
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Cleretic posted:Yeah, I expect her to get more complicated, I don't expect her to get less evil. After all, all Lahabrea said on looking into her soul was 'wow, you're just a total unrepentant shitbag', we still don't really know why or to what end. Becoming a real big trial boss who can say things like 'the powers of creation are mine to command' and 'the marvels of Elpis were but playthings', presumably.
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Aug 30, 2022 13:54
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Qwertycoatl posted:I think we'll get some kind of backstory for how she came to be like this, but not nearly enough for her to join our roster of hot sympathetic warcrime buddies It's Final Fantasy. She'll definitely be a hot warcrime I'm also very certain that the differences between past-Laha and future-Laha are wholly explained by Final Days + 12,000 years of engineering apocalypses. The fact that anyone holds on to sanity after that long is a feat. I can't fault him for snapping like a dry twig. Warmachine fucked around with this message at 14:07 on Aug 30, 2022 |
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Aug 30, 2022 14:01
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Cleretic posted:Yeah, I expect her to get more complicated, I don't expect her to get less evil. After all, all Lahabrea said on looking into her soul was 'wow, you're just a total unrepentant shitbag', we still don't really know why or to what end. Ah, yeah, that makes sense. Warmachine posted:It's Final Fantasy. She'll definitely be a hot warcrime Not only that, but either Emet-Selch or Elidibus, I forget, says that possessing living beings instead of killing them and shaping their body into a better vessel did quite the number on his sanity over the millennia too. Onean fucked around with this message at 14:14 on Aug 30, 2022 |
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Aug 30, 2022 14:11
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Onean posted:Not only that, but either Emet-Selch or Elidibus, I forget, says that possessing living beings instead of killing them and shaping their body into a better vessel did quite the number on his sanity over the millennia too. This coming from either of them makes you wonder how good an idea becoming a Space Ghost is at all.
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Aug 30, 2022 14:59
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It's hard not to admire Athena just from the angle of her being born into a society in immortals with innate post-scarcity magic and and still having the standard villain ambition of eternal life because that's just not immortal enough.
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Aug 30, 2022 15:05
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Yeah, I found it interesting that the extremely-long-lived, pre-scarcity, reality-weaving Ancients still had limits where they absolutely went "No, that is the realm of the gods and we should not meddle in such areas" Also means that the Ancients had (or at least recognised) gods even before "All-mighty Zodiarc" was created. Wonder who they were and what happened to them?
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Aug 30, 2022 15:29
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Itzena posted:Yeah, I found it interesting that the extremely-long-lived, pre-scarcity, reality-weaving Ancients still had limits where they absolutely went "No, that is the realm of the gods and we should not meddle in such areas" We're sparring with them in the odd numbered patches right now!
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Aug 30, 2022 15:32
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Onean posted:I dunno, having someone peer directly into her soul, comprehending everything she is, and then say they saw nothing but the drive for her own progress with exactly zero concern, interest or love for anyone and anything outside of that is pretty conclusive to me. I got the impression that there was some sort of idea that the ancients find too tempting. Lahabrea sunders his own soul in response to being exposed to it, because otherwise he would surrender to the temptation (and we see that his sundered half did, in fact, succumb to that temptation). I think Athena wasn't always like this, but she stumbled upon something during her research, and that something grew into an all-consuming obsession that burned away everything else. I do hope that's the case; the idea of someone stumbling onto forbidden knowledge by creating it from nothing is really neat. Usually in fiction it's some external force that reveals a terrible truth, but to have a researcher make a breakthrough on their own and then think "well poo poo, I could do that, couldn't I?" is a fun twist on the standard.
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Aug 30, 2022 16:04
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Dirk the Average posted:I got the impression that there was some sort of idea that the ancients find too tempting. Lahabrea sunders his own soul in response to being exposed to it, because otherwise he would surrender to the temptation (and we see that his sundered half did, in fact, succumb to that temptation). I think Athena wasn't always like this, but she stumbled upon something during her research, and that something grew into an all-consuming obsession that burned away everything else. It might straight up be related to the Ancient's pre-existing tendency to play god. If you can become god, instead of simply play god, why wouldn't you, why wouldn't you gain absolute power over the star.
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Aug 30, 2022 16:18
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Lord_Magmar posted:It might straight up be related to the Ancient's pre-existing tendency to play god. If you can become god, instead of simply play god, why wouldn't you, why wouldn't you gain absolute power over the star. That might explain the focus on collectivism and the duty to the star and not staying alive for endless time, they're all checks to prevent the birth of JRPG villains in their midst. Sadly they forgot about depression.
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Aug 30, 2022 16:23
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I've always been partial to Odysseus as Azem's name. Edit: That or Kassandra 
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Aug 30, 2022 17:16
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I'm partial to Azem being Dionysius/Bacchus. Not only because grapes  but also the whole "appears silly but is secretly very scary"
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Aug 30, 2022 17:36
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In earnest, my money on Azem's name was always Prometheus. Defied and pissed off the rest of the pantheon, stole fire, got punished, hangs out with humans now.
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Aug 30, 2022 17:40
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GiantRockFromSpace posted:I'm partial to Azem being Dionysius/Bacchus. Not only because grapes Go the whole way. Adam is Zagreus-Dionysius.
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Aug 30, 2022 17:40
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GiantRockFromSpace posted:That might explain the focus on collectivism and the duty to the star and not staying alive for endless time, they're all checks to prevent the birth of JRPG villains in their midst. JRPG villainy is a serious problem when the power level is too high yeah. In the EW MSQ we mostly hang out with four ancients, and three of them go on to cause apocalypse-level disasters. At that sort of rate it's amazing their society lasted as long as it did
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Aug 30, 2022 17:43
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Cleretic posted:In earnest, my money on Azem's name was always Prometheus. Defied and pissed off the rest of the pantheon, stole fire, got punished, hangs out with humans now. They've been going real hard on the prophecy and sun theming though, and there's no "stealing fire" in Azem's story whatsoever. Nor is there punishment besides banishment. You're creating a conflict as something much bigger than presented. Prophecy and Sun is Apollo, as is travel, music, joy, hope. Apollo gets around deifically. I guess yes Azem leaves the convocation in protest, but they don't steal anything when doing so. Unless you mean the Ifrita story which is very different contextually. Lord_Magmar fucked around with this message at 17:49 on Aug 30, 2022 |
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Aug 30, 2022 17:44
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Lord_Magmar posted:They've been going real hard on the prophecy and sun theming though, and there's no "stealing fire" in Azem's story whatsoever. Nor is there punishment besides banishment. You're creating a conflict as something much bigger than presented. The stolen fire in this context is Ifrita. (EDIT: Jumped in without seeing your edit, we're on the same page there even if I'm putting more weight on it.)
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Aug 30, 2022 17:50
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ImpAtom posted:Go the whole way. Adam is Zagreus-Dionysius. But then Emet is our dad and that's a can of worms if I ever saw one. In all honestly, if we stay on the Greek theme (which is a given seeing all the Ancient names) Apollo is for sure the most fitting On another note, just did the SQ and started IS and I gotta say, I for one welcome Tataru as our new capitalist overlord. That said give me mammets to automate some things, I'm not checking in a PC game every 6 hours to water crops.
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Aug 30, 2022 17:57
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GiantRockFromSpace posted:That said give me mammets to automate some things, I'm not checking in a PC game every 6 hours to water crops. You only need to water them once a day, and if you happen to be on the island when it rains, they get watered that way! After the final cropland expansion the Mammets CAN take care of it for you, for a daily fee.
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Aug 30, 2022 18:01
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Galaga Galaxian posted:You only need to water them once a day, and if you happen to be on the island when it rains, they get watered that way! After the final cropland expansion the Mammets CAN take care of it for you, for a daily fee. Oh yeah, I knew, I just wanted them ASAP. Glad to know the watering is once a day, and given the island seems to be the future DF waiting place it shouldn't be a problem with dailies.
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Aug 30, 2022 18:05
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If you queue into a duty from your island and then the island server fills up while you're in the instance, what happens when you get sent back to your island? e: oh, this is the spoiler thread, w/e
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Aug 30, 2022 18:07
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GiantRockFromSpace posted:That might explain the focus on collectivism and the duty to the star and not staying alive for endless time, they're all checks to prevent the birth of JRPG villains in their midst. It almost feels like an accident that they survived as long as they did, perhaps that's the point: If they had this power and HADN'T come across this solution they would've imploded long ago. But they kept on exploring strange esoterica, and on more than one occasion in a short period of time people started tripping over memetic hazards that were serious threats to their society. Existential Cosmological Dread. Magical Transhumanism. Hand-crafted Divinities. We can see from other examples out there that life tends to find a way to self destruct in this setting.
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Aug 30, 2022 18:23
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Arist posted:If you queue into a duty from your island and then the island server fills up while you're in the instance, what happens when you get sent back to your island? On my slow-loading PC I've noticed a flicker of Drydocks before it loads the Sanctuary, so I assume you'd get dropped there.
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GiantRockFromSpace posted:That might explain the focus on collectivism and the duty to the star and not staying alive for endless time, they're all checks to prevent the birth of JRPG villains in their midst. I mean they also have the answer to JRPG villains with other Ancients who can gently caress the Bad Nerds up. There's never really any indication that Themis and Erichthonios couldn't have handled Pandemonium with some help. That their society isn't a perfect equilibrium doesn't mean it can't sustain itself. The problem with the Final Days was arguably that it was so seemingly random and capricious there was nobody to punch (that they knew of) and they had the chance to get all Morbidly Introspective. Which seems to be what kills a lot of societies in the Sea of Stars.
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