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HootTheOwl posted:The assassain lord needs to be banned or altered so a salty concession doesn't end the game for everyone else. That might fall under quote:2.4 Conceding or Intentionally Drawing Games or Matches: They go into it more deeply here, with no official ruling: https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/collusion-and-appearance-impropriety-2001-08-02 But this would definitely be solved by changing the rule to "Conceding happens at sorcery speed and can be responded to" or some wording along those lines.
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Toph Bei Fong posted:That might fall under that rule is about bribes and collusion, not quitting a game because a dumbly designed card rewards someone else for you not conceding
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Aug 30, 2022 04:27
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Lone Goat posted:that rule is about bribes and collusion, not quitting a game because a dumbly designed card rewards someone else for you not conceding The issue is the card rewards them for you conceding too.
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Aug 30, 2022 04:36
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Framboise posted:As someone pretty deep down the custom mechanical keyboard rabbit hole, that's pretty on par pricewise for a designer keycap set with novelty keys included. A bit lower than average since it includes keys for all different layouts of boards. Yeah this is pretty good considering it's a licensed product. Those desk mats are actually really cheap too.
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Aug 30, 2022 04:53
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Lord_Magmar posted:The issue is the card rewards them for you conceding too. sounds like a lovely card imo
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Aug 30, 2022 05:21
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They really need to stop printing all these broken Commander cards in standard sets: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO9ex7o5j38
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Aug 30, 2022 06:47
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Toshimo posted:They really need to stop printing all these broken Commander cards in standard sets: oh that's why sheldon's quitting, wotc is just ruining commander with all these t1 wins
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Aug 30, 2022 07:59
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Toshimo posted:They really need to stop printing all these broken Commander cards in standard sets: *2 seconds in* hah hah hah okay, no. I don't care actually
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Aug 30, 2022 12:33
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I'm quite sure that addressing a 9 cards combo as "broken turn 1 combo" is fully ironic.
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Aug 30, 2022 12:48
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Toph Bei Fong posted:That might fall under I definitely don't think you should change the concession rules to fit the card, I think that would be the worst change. I think adding "unblocked" at least makes the player get to the declare blocker step, but the card really can't function in the face of intentional spite. But is a 4 drop lord even good enough to make this happen? LIke is that the true reason the card is fine? The opportunity cost of playing it is just too high in a formata with Sol Ring?
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Aug 30, 2022 13:00
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YggdrasilTM posted:I'm quite sure that addressing a 9 cards combo as "broken turn 1 combo" is fully ironic. E: oh god, we're going to have another "youtube voice" derail. No. I'm sorry for my role in it.
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Aug 30, 2022 13:01
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Toph Bei Fong posted:But this would definitely be solved by changing the rule to "Conceding happens at sorcery speed and can be responded to" or some wording along those lines. Using infinite loops to hold my opponent hostage. 
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Aug 30, 2022 13:06
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YggdrasilTM posted:I'm quite sure that addressing a 9 cards combo as "broken turn 1 combo" is fully ironic. you still need to be funny tho
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Aug 30, 2022 13:26
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I think the joke is, there's a lot of ridiculous mana artifacts, so much so that playing Vorinclex, Monstrous Hunter on turn 1 is not only feasible but requires no special effort. I agree that the delivery could use some work.
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Aug 30, 2022 13:37
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Eej posted:Yeah this is pretty good considering it's a licensed product. Those desk mats are actually really cheap too. Oh dang I didn't even notice the deskmats. I'd love the Wandering Emperor art if it was just the background.
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Aug 30, 2022 13:52
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The rules on conceding and handling a player losing in a multiplayer game are written so that you can, at any time, pick up all your cards and go home immediately. I don't imagine them changing that to support one special weird commander.
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Aug 30, 2022 13:58
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Qwertycoatl posted:The rules on conceding and handling a player losing in a multiplayer game are written so that you can, at any time, pick up all your cards and go home immediately. I don't imagine them changing that to support one special weird commander. The funnier part would be picking up all your cards that have been stolen by other players w/ Control Magic and similar
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Aug 30, 2022 14:18
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Qwertycoatl posted:The rules on conceding and handling a player losing in a multiplayer game are written so that you can, at any time, pick up all your cards and go home immediately. I don't imagine them changing that to support one special weird commander. I mean, yeah, realistically, it's going to fall under the rule zero "Stop being such a kingmaking turd Greg, let Dave play his stupid tribal combo deck that rarely wins", and you shouldn't play with people who would act that way, but...
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Aug 30, 2022 14:32
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They call it Rule 0 because I have zero interest in playing commander
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Aug 30, 2022 14:46
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Devor posted:The funnier part would be picking up all your cards that have been stolen by other players w/ Control Magic and similar Yep, that's a thing that already happens. If you control magic a player's creature and they lose (or concede) then the creature immediately leaves the game
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Aug 30, 2022 14:56
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:I think the joke is, there's a lot of ridiculous mana artifacts, so much so that playing Vorinclex, Monstrous Hunter on turn 1 is not only feasible but requires no special effort. The joke is that Commander players every new set freak out about how an innocuous new card is broken in Commander because it's part of a "12-card turn-1 combo" that involves playing things like Omniscience etc. already.
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Aug 30, 2022 15:06
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Qwertycoatl posted:Yep, that's a thing that already happens. If you control magic a player's creature and they lose (or concede) then the creature immediately leaves the game Funniest time to do it? My guess: after blocks were declared, removing a control-magicked blocker to let trample damage through
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Aug 30, 2022 15:07
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX3g7FlB_D0&t=755s Prof and PleasantKenobi point out something interesting as far as 30th MTG anniversary in Vegas, point of entry costs and how current CommandFest entries work.
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Aug 30, 2022 17:25
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Jiro posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX3g7FlB_D0&t=755s What's the something interesting
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Jiro posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX3g7FlB_D0&t=755s Did you just post a commercial for a youtube channel? Are you the professor?
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Aug 30, 2022 18:54
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Pablo Nergigante posted:They call it Rule 0 because I have zero interest in playing commander 
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Aug 30, 2022 18:56
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Jiro posted:Prof and PleasantKenobi point out something interesting as far as 30th MTG anniversary in Vegas, point of entry costs and how current CommandFest entries work. I see a lot of old men yelling at cloud about how things cost money in 2022. I've done a lot of conventions in my life (and a MagicFest/CommandFest/M30 is basically a convention), and while, yes, $160 is on the high side for what this event is, I would not have batted an eye at $75-100. poo poo's expensive, yo. The boo hoo story about 5 people who drove to Orlando without tickets and couldn't get in like it's somehow WotC's fault that they showed up for a ticketed event empty-handed is weird and dumb, especially in the time of COVID where attendee limits for safety are a real thing. For comparison, some of the stuff I'm familiar with (I generally don't west coast, anymore): • Gencon (Trad Games) - $125 • Pax East (Trad Games) - $235 • Otakon (anime) - $100 • MagFest (Video Games) - $110
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Aug 30, 2022 18:59
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GonSmithe posted:The joke is that Commander players every new set freak out about how an innocuous new card is broken in Commander because it's part of a "12-card turn-1 combo" that involves playing things like Omniscience etc. already. This is not unique to Commander players.
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Sickening posted:Did you just post a commercial for a youtube channel? Yes, an '04 reg date who mainly posts in wrestling and here is definitely the Prof. And I dunno I found the conversation interesting, I have never gone to a Magic specific con, or a lot of cons mind you. Never really a huge fan of crowds in enclosed spaces even before covid. I'd do your ACL Music Fest once or twice or Fun Fun Fun Fest like ten+ years ago but all that was outdoors and I expect a day pass or three day pass for stuff like that to cost a lot. Jiro fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Aug 30, 2022 |
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Toshimo posted:I see a lot of old men yelling at cloud about how things cost money in 2022. Any given major fighting game event is $70+ for venue fee plus like $10 per game as well Though I feel like you get your money worth there, since you get to play basically all day in casuals plus usually there's a free play arcade and other stuff. Afaik at magic events it's only tournaments and vendors mostly?
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Toshimo posted:I see a lot of old men yelling at cloud about how things cost money in 2022. I think they are more saying that the value isn't there and it should either cost less/be free, or give you more for what you're paying. I agree w/ them
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Weird Pumpkin posted:Any given major fighting game event is $70+ for venue fee plus like $10 per game as well My understanding (at least from that video) is that the ticketed events have tables set aside for "free play". If that's not the case, there's a different argument to be made, but the 2 dudes in the video hadn't even looked at what made up the packages they were looking at prior to doing the Mad Reaction Veideo and a ton of what they said was factually incorrect, so idk what is actually included myself.
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big cummers ONLY posted:I think they are more saying that the value isn't there and it should either cost less/be free, or give you more for what you're paying. I agree w/ them mtg players absolutely love driving themselves insane about ~~~~the value~~~~ not every thing has to be some sort of calculated transaction. just go to have fun and if you can't afford to have fun there's plenty of other ways to spend your time that are less expensive than a luxury collectible game.
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SCG events are free and you just pay to enter the tournaments. I think that's a better way to go
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I don't make enough money to not think about value. E: oh, you addressed that by saying I should pick another hobby. Cool thanks
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Pablo Nergigante posted:SCG events are free and you just pay to enter the tournaments. I think that's a better way to go That is the equivalent of MagicFests, which... exist... and were mentioned in the linked video.
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Toshimo posted:That is the equivalent of MagicFests, which... exist... and were mentioned in the linked video. Okay.
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Lone Goat posted:mtg players absolutely love driving themselves insane about ~~~~the value~~~~ You can't just go and have fun. Just being at the event has a cost associated to it. Knowing what you are getting out of your money is just responsible consumer behavior. I get you are getting annoyed with some of the repetitive wording, but your point is kind of nonsense.
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Being a ticketed event makes sense since Magic 30 has some panels, but the price is pretty high considering the small number of them and lack of any other programming.
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