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i like the part where bond drops a wheelchair bound not-blofeld down a smoke stack 
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numberoneposter posted:i like the part where bond drops a wheelchair bound not-blofeld down a smoke stack I like the part where, during that scene, Not-Blofeld tries to bribe Bond by offering to buy him a delicatessen.
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Aug 10, 2022 21:45
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Lobok posted:"Now James, Q Branch has managed to devise a time machine, and--" Yeah, that's who should be the next James Bond: Craig Charles
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Aug 10, 2022 22:17
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live with fruit posted:They should just stick with Lashana Lynch. That's a weird way to spell Ana de Armas.
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Aug 11, 2022 13:26
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live with fruit posted:They should just stick with Lashana Lynch. chitoryu12 posted:That's a weird way to spell Ana de Armas. Why not both?
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Aug 11, 2022 14:29
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thrawn527 posted:Why not both? I wasn't very thrilled by Lynch, though maybe that was just the writing. Ana de Armas is one of the most charismatic actresses I've ever seen.
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Aug 11, 2022 17:39
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chitoryu12 posted:I wasn't very thrilled by Lynch, though maybe that was just the writing. Ana de Armas is one of the most charismatic actresses I've ever seen. I agree, if I had to pick one actress to move forward with, it would be Ana de Armas. But I could totally see a movie where Lashana Lynch is the more serious agent, and Ana de Armas is the fun agent assigned to work with her, and their styles clash. Like, I'd watch the hell out of that movie. edit: I should note, I know they won't make this movie. Just saying that I would watch it, if they did. thrawn527 fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Aug 11, 2022 |
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Aug 11, 2022 18:14
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Nomi had such potential to be a really novel character and element in the movie but they really hobbled her by making her only consistent trait how weirdly fixated she was about the Double-00/007 callsign. Really not a good way to make an interesting character and it’s not even a decent meta-joke.
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Aug 11, 2022 18:15
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Also, some of the excerpts from the original stories that make me want a faithful adaptation of them as a Bond reboot:quote:Bond spent the night and most of the next day at the KO-ZEE Motor Court outside Montreal. He paid in advance for three nights. He passed the day looking to his equipment and wearing in the soft ripple rubber climbing boots he had bought in Ottawa. He bought glucose tablets and some smoked ham and bread from which he made himself sandwiches. He also bought a large aluminium flask and filled this with three-quarters Bourbon and a quarter coffee. When darkness came he had dinner and a short sleep and then diluted the walnut stain and washed himself all over with the stuff even to the roots of his hair. He came out looking like a Red Indian with blue-grey eyes. Just before midnight he quietly opened the side door into the automobile bay, got into the Plymouth and drove off on the last lap south to Frelighsburg. quote:I watched the thin man. He was nearly at the corner of the building. Now he was there. The single shots ceased. Without taking aim, and firing with his left hand, the thin man edged his gun round the corner and sprayed a whole magazine, blind, down the front wall where James and I had been standing. Bond disguising himself as a rural hunter in a Canadian motel to go on a hike to assassinate someone for M's personal vengeance, or fighting half-naked and burnt alongside a girl with his spare gun in the light of a burning Adirondacks motel with a couple of mobsters. Also, the Tee-Hee pinky breaking in the beginning of Live and Let Die? In the book, they actually go through with it very slowly and painfully. Bond escapes by shooting a thug straight through the mouth to steal his car.
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Aug 11, 2022 18:21
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Canada's the only country in NA he hasn't visited right? They should get on that.
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Aug 11, 2022 18:23
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Gaius Marius posted:Canada's the only country in NA he hasn't visited right? They should get on that. In the original The Spy Who Loved Me book, he's coming back from a mission in Canada to try and hunt SPECTRE agents after the Thunderball incident. He gets a flat tire while driving back through the Adirondacks coincidentally at the same time the nearest motel is having two mobsters try to burn the place down and frame the girl left behind to care for it as an insurance scam. Like, the book is written in first person from her perspective and he suddenly appears 2/3 of the way in.
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Aug 11, 2022 18:27
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I’d love to see them lean more on the kind of sweaty moments of desperate improvisation like you get with Bond realising that the only thing he has to hand to give him an edge is using his watch bracelet as a makeshift knuckleduster in the book of TMWTGG
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Aug 11, 2022 18:31
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thrawn527 posted:I agree, if I had to pick one actress to move forward with, it would be Ana de Armas. But I could totally see a movie where Lashana Lynch is the more serious agent, and Ana de Armas is the fun agent assigned to work with her, and their styles clash. Now let me tell you something if we're going to be partners Ana, you may have just transferred from the CIA but round here we do things by the book 
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Aug 11, 2022 18:56
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my one simple request is that its not almost 3 hours long and would have to be released on one of those double VHS tapes back in the day and also cast Terry Crews as James Bond.
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Aug 11, 2022 19:34
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Gaius Marius posted:Canada's the only country in NA he hasn't visited right? They should get on that. Whenever it gets brought up I think of that scene in Quantum of Solace where he confronts the Canadian agent and her boyfriend and have to remind myself each time that while she was Canadian the scene was in Russia.
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Aug 11, 2022 19:50
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Matinee posted:I’d love to see them lean more on the kind of sweaty moments of desperate improvisation like you get with Bond realising that the only thing he has to hand to give him an edge is using his watch bracelet as a makeshift knuckleduster in the book of TMWTGG That was OHMSS but yeah, Bond just loving smashes his Rolex on a guard's face hard enough to kill him so he can run out and start the ski chase. The Fleming books were heavily influenced by the pulp detective novels of the period so there's a lot of raw, gritty, filthy pain and desperation to finish a mission. Bond is often finishing even one of the "easier" books so torn to poo poo that he should be dead. In Moonraker, he and Gala Brand escape Drax's imprisonment because Bond shuffles his chair over and uses his face to turn on a blowtorch, scorching himself, to get their ropes cut. And when they try to hide in the vents, Drax's men blast hot steam into them. The Shrublands stuff in Thunderball is because Bond is being confronted by completely wrecking himself with alcohol, cigarettes, and horrific violence every year.
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Aug 11, 2022 19:56
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quote:You can get far in North America with laconic grunts. Huh, hun and hi! in their various modulations, together with sure, guess so, that so? and nuts! will meet almost any contingency. Huh. Guess so.
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Aug 11, 2022 20:02
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chitoryu12 posted:That's a weird way to spell Ana de Armas. She can be Lynch's Felix.
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Aug 11, 2022 20:06
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Sodomy Hussein posted:
What do you mean?
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Xenomrph posted:What do you mean? Tenet is a James Bond movie with a black guy, and no one cared because the only thing Nolan seemed interested in doing beyond making an entirely rote story was doing action scenes in reverse.
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Aug 25, 2022 07:53
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https://twitter.com/zachbdunn/status/1562674319884292096?s=20&t=dtITVn4r78E1ul9fjHMz7Q
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Sodomy Hussein posted:Tenet is a James Bond movie with a black guy, and no one cared because the only thing Nolan seemed interested in doing beyond making an entirely rote story was doing action scenes in reverse. I thought Tenet was pretty neat once it reached the halfway point and things started falling into place.
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Aug 25, 2022 15:43
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Xenomrph posted:I thought Tenet was pretty neat once it reached the halfway point and things started falling into place. It got good for a while, but then it didn't stick the landing because the big finale was really weak. I've still rewatched it a few times just because it's a very pretty movie.
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Aug 25, 2022 15:48
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Tenet is the apex of Nolan being unable to mix sound for poo poo, I didn't understand anything anyone was saying in that movie
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Aug 25, 2022 16:03
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Well the good news is it barely matters.
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Aug 25, 2022 21:01
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It does take a lot of balls to do the Austin Powers 2 thing of "try not to think about how any of this works" and then proceed to base your entire film and action sequences about how the mechanics of all the time stuff works.
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Aug 25, 2022 21:17
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What stood out to me in Tenet was that so many scenes with dialogue were clearly edited down, rendering them so fast and choppy as to be almost indecipherable. It's like, you have the snappy comeback talky sequence in a Marvel movie. Then, play it at 2X speed, remove all the jokes, and also have Hal9000 turn off the oxygen. In addition, there are like 40 minute sequences with no dialog which could have used just a little bit of exposition. It's too weird for an average viewer but it was nowhere weird enough to justify its senslessness and opacity. I wanted it to get super weird or start getting super deep into it's own time travel bullshit, but it just kinda doesn't go more than puddle deep. And yes, the ending is especially bad.
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Aug 25, 2022 21:45
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I guess I need to rewatch it because I don’t remember the ending being particularly bad.
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Aug 25, 2022 21:52
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Xenomrph posted:I guess I need to rewatch it because I don’t remember the ending being particularly bad. The "temporal pincer movement" was totally incomprehensible, and a lot of the action was drably uniformed soldiers shooting their guns at enemies we couldn't even see.
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Aug 25, 2022 22:08
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Well I just bought it in 4K for like $12 so I guess I’ll see, I will report back lol
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Finally watched No Time To Die. (No time to watch when you have a 7-year-old.) Despite it being weirdly sterile and clinical and therefore uninvolving in its action sequences, Bond making the ultimate sacrifice to save not the world but just two people got to me, I have to admit. But on the other hand, it also featured the line "Q, hack into Blofeld's bionic eye", which made Moonraker look like John Le Carre.  I have so many questions about Blofeld's bionic eye. Was its charger port USB-mini or -micro? Did the wireless antenna dangle down into his nasal passage? How many years earlier did he rip out his real eye in the hope of one day being a dick to James Bond at a birthday party? Also you can apparently program a virus to attack a specific DNA profile from a flash drive in about six seconds. This FOXDIE poo poo was all Purvis and Wade, wasn't it?
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Many people bellyache about NTTD’s ending but I thought it was handled well and was a perfect way to close out this self contained Craig arc. Other big complaints include the villain and his motivations being a big nothing but it didn’t bother me much, since the driving force of the story is the character relationships. I even like how the movie itself handwaves it away as being ultimately unimportant when M asks Bond what this guy’s deal is and he dismissively replies “money, power, the usual, whatever”. I think it’s appropriate too that Craig’s final outting featured a megalomaniac villain with world ending schemes and a hidden secret base island.
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I loved NTTD’s ending. I really can’t think of a better way to end this Bond’s story. And Zimmer went all loving out for that final moment. It got to me real good.
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I really love no time to die. It was exciting and stupid in a lot of classic bond ways. The villain has soured on me but that’s fine bc rami is kind of lame anyway so whateve r
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So I recently gave a friend a first edition of "The Man with the Golden Gun" for his wedding (the only affordable Fleming title I could also get delivered ahead of the day), which prompted me to re-read it as well. Then, after I finished, I found out that Anthony Horowitz had released a third James Bond throwback back, "With a Mind to Kill", just this past year, set like two weeks after TMWTGG. So I bought a copy of that as well. It's fine and all, but between the No Time to Die talk and the ending, it makes me ask the question: what is it with this moment in time making everyone say "The only way to end a James Bond story is to just kill him off?" I mean, the book is purposely ambiguous about this, but Horowitz clarifies in the acknowledgements that he basically ended it in his mind with Bond dying, or being pushed to quit the service over all of the abuse he'd been taking if he lives in the best-case scenario. But why does no one want to approach that story with either an expectation that Bond will remain in stasis, or, if we must have an ending, something akin to a happy one? Even if it's "realistic" to expect that Bond ends dead, why go with that as the only solution?
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Aug 30, 2022 21:08
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Because Bond can’t quit no matter what. In the Craig movies we’ve seen him basically be free entirely of the MI6 and severed completely…but he’s bored and gets that itch to go do something. He’s bound by duty and all that.
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CelticPredator posted:Because Bond can’t quit no matter what. In the Craig movies we’ve seen him basically be free entirely of the MI6 and severed completely…but he’s bored and gets that itch to go do something. He’s bound by duty and all that. I mean, you're not wrong, but that doesn't mean I don't prefer the endings where Bond is temporarily satisfied after a job completed, with his position in the world secured and the girlfriend of the moment on his arms, as opposed to the ones where he's cradling a dead lover or ash floating in the wind.
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My understanding is that as Craig got more influence over the production as his tenure went on, his imprint on the films became heavier, and he was always very interested in exploring Bond's emotions and traumas rather than just making popcorn action-thriller-comedies like everyone else mostly did.
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I never got the sense that Craig Bond was bound by duty. Much of his motivation seems pretty selfish. In Casino Royale, Vesper calls Bond out for chasing his ego more than defeating the bad guy. Quantum of Solace is about him trying to get revenge on people who slighted him. Skyfall is him seeking acceptance of an organization and mother figure that does not want to deal with him anymore. Spectre is a movie. No Time to Die is about him trying to beat MI6. He's completely out of the game at that point. He even turns down his best bud Felix Leiter. It's not until MI6 tells him specifically to stay out that he gets back in. He has no duty for the mission, and no duty to England when he's working for the CIA. It's "For England James?" "No for me," but the whole time. And he fucks off out of MI6 several times to pursue a life of leisure, self destructive behaviour, or solitude. Bond also has shown he doesn't place a particularly high value on his own life. He jumps into extremely dangerous situations without much thought. We are shown this early on with the Casino Royale parkour scene. For the bomb maker, being captured can be worse than death, so we understand his stakes. Bond doesn't need to chase him. Almost any woman he gets close to dies. Mum M calls him out on this several times. Having a person who doesn't value his life die doesn't hit me very hard. I think it would have fit better thematically if Bond was forced to live a life of solitude and leisure for altruistic reasons, to save his family, instead of die. He watches them from a distance. He's content that they are safe away from him.
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Having thought on this a little bit more since yesterday, I wanted to elaborate on my general question a bit. The way I see it, there are 3 basic endings to a James Bond story: 1) The villain is defeated, the day is saved for Western capitalism, and Bond ends up with a new paramour (for at least a little while) - this is pretty much the standard, especially where the movies are concerned 2) More rarely, the story ends with a Pyrrhic victory - Bond saves the day, but loses the new potential suitor that could have broken him out of his comfortable status quo (Vesper, Tracy, Flicka, possibly a few others I'm forgetting) 3) The rarest of all, the story ends with Bond dead or largely intimated to be - "From Russia with Love" the novel, "You Only Live Twice" the novel (I guess? it's been a while since I read it, but I remember him sailing off into the unknown with amnesia, so it looked like it would be a futile attempt) and now, in quick succession, No Time to Die and "With a Mind to Kill", the only major Bond media to be released since Spectre/the last Horowitz book in 2018 I guess my question is, why are we coming up with stories that can only seem to kill Bond off right now, at this moment? Is this a response to the general prevailing culture of Marvel movies and technicolor superheroes? Is it a response to the way the real world is these days, the idea that maybe an extrajudicial government assassin is a bad thing to have around anymore? Is it just a way to clear the road for the next Bond interpretation(s) that will be coming over the horizon? Is it just a big coincidence and I'm overthinking things?
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