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WhiteHowler posted:Corvette EV Coming in 2025  GM is dead to me.
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MrLogan posted:I thought we settled this a while ago? Tesla is the successor to BMW. Tesla’s cup holder situation is on point at least
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Aug 30, 2022 15:53
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WhiteHowler posted:Bad news: the "current" (old) EV tax credit is already gone. Ah poo poo, thanks for letting me know. I assume that means the income cap has also already taken effect? If so, then I've already completely missed my window, which is nice because I don't need to stress about buying a vehicle right now but sad because I missed out on some nice $$$
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Aug 30, 2022 16:19
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MrLogan posted:I thought we settled this a while ago? Tesla is the successor to BMW. the whole selling point for BMW for years was the driving experience. Teslas are cars designed by people who view the operation of the vehicle by the driver as an unnecessary inconvenience. I don't think Teslas are particularly unreliable. They're just poorly built from the factory. Which just reinforces that Teslas are Panthers.
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Aug 30, 2022 16:24
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Ajaxify posted:Ah poo poo, thanks for letting me know. I think so, but quoting myself: quote:I'm having trouble finding information on the effective date of the income cap, but everything I've read indicates that every provision of the new law is already in effect, except manufacturer sales caps don't go away until 1/1/2023. If you're married, remember that the income cap is effectively doubled ($300k per household).
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Aug 30, 2022 16:35
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Yea, I'm a fan of the new EV rebates/benefits overall, but the rollout has been real lovely and the income caps are probably too low.
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Aug 30, 2022 17:07
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Wait a minute are you saying the iX m60 I bought yesterday doesn’t qualify for either the old or the new tax credit?
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Aug 30, 2022 17:49
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Antillie posted:Reminds me of every mustang I've ever sat in. I loved me some SN95 Mustang (owned 3) but yeah, the interior was not nice, also developed tons of dashboard rub/squeaks pretty early on, not very noticeable with the top down, or with the V8 running and flowmasters, or the V6 when it developed exhaust leaks from the sorry welds on the manifolds, but it would be absolute murder in an EV with how quiet they are. Fortunately my Leaf remains rattle free. Looks like I'm covered on getting the tax rebate on the Mach-E no matter which or what way it is. Currently I think it'll be the old one since my $500 deposit counts as a down payment. I don't think my company will put me back to working 60+ hour weeks, but if they do for some reason that could have me knocking on the income cap for the new tax break. My GF reserved an ID.4 during the last week of the old tax break, and her dealer sent her a letter saying she'll still be eligible, of course the dealer is not the IRS, and all dealers are scum fucks so who knows.
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Aug 30, 2022 17:51
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:ND engine and transmission supposedly weigh about 400 lbs. Throw in some other ICE only stuff like exhaust system, fuel tank/delivery, and the weight of fuel and oil and that will get you to what, 550 lbs? CF replacements for various body and frame components. Improve aero too.
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Tiny Timbs posted:Tesla interiors are $17k econo-car class even when you’re paying $150k My 2000 ToyAuto Echo had better interior fit&finish than the Model 3. My 2020 Kia Niro EV? Really nice interior.
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Aug 30, 2022 17:59
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bird with big dick posted:Wait a minute are you saying the iX m60 I bought yesterday doesn’t qualify for either the old or the new tax credit? Tired of the Model 3 already, huh? Elviscat posted:Looks like I'm covered on getting the tax rebate on the Mach-E no matter which or what way it is. Currently I think it'll be the old one since my $500 deposit counts as a down payment. I don't think my company will put me back to working 60+ hour weeks, but if they do for some reason that could have me knocking on the income cap for the new tax break. Yep, you should be eligible for the old credit. Note that it'll be an actual credit on your 2022 taxes, not taken off at the point-of-sale like the new credit will be. quote:My GF reserved an ID.4 during the last week of the old tax break, and her dealer sent her a letter saying she'll still be eligible, of course the dealer is not the IRS, and all dealers are scum fucks so who knows. Yeah, she should be fine, but I'm not the IRS either. If the deal falls through or she decides to back out, the 2023 ID.4 may be eligible on a car-by-car basis, as VW has moved some (but apparently not all?) assembly to Tennessee.
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Double post. I just logged in to check the status of my Mach-E, and it's still not in production, but something's changed.  Screenshot from two weeks ago  Website's still listing the price I originally reserved it for, which is good since the 2023 MSRPs are significantly higher, also looks like the only difference between '22 and '23 is some improved software, little faster DCFC, and a beefier battery main contactor to fix that issue. E: WhiteHowler posted:Tired of the Model 3 already, huh? Dope, thanks! By the time I get my Mach-E it'll be tax season anyways at this rate.
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Aug 30, 2022 18:06
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VideoGameVet posted:CF replacements for various body and frame components. Improve aero too. CF is not appropriate for some major components (in particular, all of the suspension), and it's still very expensive.
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Aug 30, 2022 18:14
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WhiteHowler posted:I think so, but quoting myself: The IRS site seems to somewhat disagree, if you can purchase and take possession this year, then the old rules seem to still apply, except for the final assembly requirement. I dunno, it's all hard to understand. quote:Vehicles Purchased and Delivered between August 16, 2022 and December 31, 2022
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MrLogan posted:I thought we settled this a while ago? Tesla is the successor to BMW. Don’t forget parts being outrageously expensive
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Aug 30, 2022 18:27
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Elviscat posted:Double post. You're set either way, since the Mach-E is eligible under the new tax credit too. The details on getting the new tax credit for the remainder of 2022 are kind of hazy -- some of the articles I've read say that you won't be able to take the new tax credit at the point of sale until 2023. If you buy before that you take the credit on your tax return just like the old one. If I were in that gray zone I'd probably get an accountant to review my taxes just to be safe. Ajaxify posted:The IRS site seems to somewhat disagree, if you can purchase and take possession this year, then the old rules seem to still apply, except for the final assembly requirement. I dunno, it's all hard to understand. Thanks for the info, I was having trouble finding solid information on what takes effect when. Wait, does that mean the new price cap doesn't take effect until 2023 then? So I could go out and buy an e-Tron or whatever tomorrow and qualify?
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WhiteHowler posted:The details on getting the new tax credit for the remainder of 2022 are kind of hazy -- some of the articles I've read say that you won't be able to take the new tax credit at the point of sale until 2023. If you buy before that you take the credit on your tax return just like the old one. I believe I read somewhere that the one change with a car eligible for the tax credit currently under the IRA is that the tax credit changed immediately to a refundable tax credit, so you get the full amount regardless of your tax liability.
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Ford is wrapping up 2022 Mach-E's and just converted all unscheduled orders to 2023 orders. Customers who have existing, unscheduled 2022 Model Year orders will receive a private offer to convert to a 2023 Model Year.
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Aug 30, 2022 20:29
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:CF is not appropriate for some major components (in particular, all of the suspension), and it's still very expensive. I was thinking of hood, trunk lid and a few other panels.
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Aug 30, 2022 20:52
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Bandire posted:Ford is wrapping up 2022 Mach-E's and just converted all unscheduled orders to 2023 orders. Hmmmm, I don't like that phrasing. Guess I'll see what shakes out.
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Aug 30, 2022 20:57
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VideoGameVet posted:I was thinking of hood, trunk lid and a few other panels. There is very little weight savings on panelwork over aluminum, certainly not enough to offset cost. And you don't get any strength benefits on non-structural parts.
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Aug 30, 2022 21:23
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Elviscat posted:Hmmmm, I don't like that phrasing. Hopefully "a private offer" isn't "hey, buy a 2023 model for only $4000 more than you agreed to pay for a 2022, or we can just cancel your order".
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Aug 30, 2022 21:40
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:There is very little weight savings on panelwork over aluminum, certainly not enough to offset cost. And you don't get any strength benefits on non-structural parts. Does the Miata have aluminum hoods/lids?
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VideoGameVet posted:Does the Miata have aluminum hoods/lids? Hood yes for sure. It weighs around 20 lbs. There's probably some weight savings going full CF but it's just a couple of lbs for a lot of $. edit looks like if you go aftermarket full CF trunk lid and hood you save about 14 lbs. That's not nothing but I bet those 14 pounds are not good value. KYOON GRIFFEY JR fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Aug 30, 2022 |
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CF is pretty brittle too right? Potentially easier to damage even from light abuse.
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priznat posted:CF is pretty brittle too right? Potentially easier to damage even from light abuse. It has weird strength properties based on direction of weave
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Hood yes for sure. It weighs around 20 lbs. There's probably some weight savings going full CF but it's just a couple of lbs for a lot of $. Yeah. That isn't significant. Well better aerodynamics could help get more range out of it, but pretty hard in a rag top to improve that. I think the Mercedes EQS is close to the Cd of the original GM EV1 (which was 0.19). Cd of the EQS is 0.20.
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WhiteHowler posted:Hopefully "a private offer" isn't "hey, buy a 2023 model for only $4000 more than you agreed to pay for a 2022, or we can just cancel your order". Ford's supposed to do the same thing for all of the unscheduled Maverick orders as well. It's anticipated to be a personalized rebate to cover the pricing between when you ordered and the new MY of same/similar config. So in theory you could downgrade configuration and get some good savings. On the flipside being a rebate this may mean you end up paying sales tax on the full price of your config. And since it's a new order you also potentially lose financing incentives which can sting a bit with the interest rate increases.
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WhiteHowler posted:Hopefully "a private offer" isn't "hey, buy a 2023 model for only $4000 more than you agreed to pay for a 2022, or we can just cancel your order". I’m your private offer/ Offer for money/ You’ll buy what I want you to buy
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priznat posted:CF is pretty brittle too right? Potentially easier to damage even from light abuse. Not these days, esp with the resins and understanding how to use the weaves to direct impact energy. CF in many applications is more resiliant now and longer lasting. One issue it continues to have is that CF does not fail gracefully. KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:edit looks like if you go aftermarket full CF trunk lid and hood you save about 14 lbs. That's not nothing but I bet those 14 pounds are not good value. Also it depends on if you have a full proper CF panel (Seriously expensive but very lightweight) vs what is more generally available with is actually a CF/fiberglass blend that is heavier (but can be still lighter) and more often than not not exactly quality controlled well.
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Not these days, esp with the resins and understanding how to use the weaves to direct impact energy. CF in many applications is more resiliant now and longer lasting. One issue it continues to have is that CF does not fail gracefully. Out of curiosity I looked and they also make CF fenders and doors for miata too: https://www.carbonmiata.com/shop/mazda-mx-5/na-89-97-mazda-mx-5/exterior-parts-na-89-97-mazda-mx-5/body-panels/doors/ The fenders are 1.3kg vs 3.3kg for the OEM steel ones, and doors are 3kg vs 15kg steel (I'm assuming both without the glass, door cards, etc). And I think that's it, as far as panels you could even theoretically replace on a miata. It does add up to about 40kg which is definitely not insignificant, but neither is the price  That said, it's still only like 5-6 grand, which might be a lot by old miata standards but pretty  by fancy sports cars measures.
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mobby_6kl posted:Out of curiosity I looked and they also make CF fenders and doors for miata too: https://www.carbonmiata.com/shop/mazda-mx-5/na-89-97-mazda-mx-5/exterior-parts-na-89-97-mazda-mx-5/body-panels/doors/ The doors would be more because side intrusion bars are not in the CF doors. Removing the side intrusion bars drop door weight by a lot but of course there's no side impact protection, which isnt a big issue if you have a proper rollcage that has sidebars. For road use doors with no side impact protection is almost certainly illegal in most areas and risky otherwise. Thats not to say you cant engineer in side protection on CF doors, it's more it not usually done as it's a race only mod and should not be considered for use on a street vehicle. Ialso would guess trying to engineer a CF door to have legal side protection would be a bit on the expensive side.
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BMW iX has healing crystals for switchgear  
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bird with big dick posted:BMW iX has healing crystals for switchgear That makes me think of that cheap and super gaudy CZ jewelry you can get at Walmart. Do not want.
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bird with big dick posted:BMW iX has healing crystals for switchgear gotta charge the car and you gotta charge the JO crystals in the car
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In a recent video on Out of Spec Motoring... Kyle mentioned he spoke with an engineer that worked on the Bolt. And that person claimed the primary reason for the Bolt's paltry 55kw peak charging was the cabling from the DC port to the battery. And GM decided not to change it with the refresh.
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bird with big dick posted:BMW iX has healing crystals for switchgear Wait... Did you actually buy an iX?
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bird with big dick posted:BMW iX has healing crystals for switchgear This reminds me of some EV i think, i can't remember what, maybe an Audi or... something or other, that had an orb that pops out or something when you turn the car on. Am i imagining that?
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