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credburn posted:The Fifty Shades of Grey books have more use of the word "crap" and its derivatives than any other book published. I've not heard a person say "crap" like that since I was a kid, and the first or second time she used it in the book it stood out. She goes on to use it... hang on, I actually wrote this down while reading them ten years ago. Ana is weirdly infantilised throughout the books and using crap instead of a stronger swear word is just one example of that.
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Blood Nightmaster posted:I don't think E.L. James is Mormon, that would be Stephenie Meyer (the one who actually wrote Twilight/was later used as a basis for Fifty Shades) Is that not how the British speak? (between taking sips from their tea of course)
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Aug 29, 2022 15:39
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I like it when British people say "Leftinent" because I wanna say "what about the right one?!?!" One day.
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Aug 29, 2022 16:28
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Blood Nightmaster posted:I feel like the large amount of craps are due to her just trying and failing to Americanize things?? Like if somebody born and raised in the US tried to write a novel based in the UK and assumed the best way to get that across was if every character interjected with a "bloody [x]!" every two minutes This is basically what happened with the Wachowski's script for V for Vendetta, although the word they were fixated on was "bollocks".
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Blood Nightmaster posted:Like if somebody born and raised in the US tried to write a novel based in the UK and assumed the best way to get that across was if every character ejaculated with a "bloody [x]!" every two minutes Fixed that for you.
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Aug 29, 2022 18:23
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Probably throw some tossers in there for good measure
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Aug 29, 2022 18:48
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Let’s just not have a “bloody bollocks tosser”, that doesn’t sound like fun for anyone involved.
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Aug 29, 2022 19:30
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Another fun game to play is 'spot the white author'. If none of the Caucasian characters get their features described, but as soon as a black man walks in, the center of attention becomes just how utterly mulatto his skin color is, you won!
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Aug 29, 2022 19:33
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CJacobs posted:Another fun game to play is 'spot the white author'. If none of the Caucasian characters get their features described, but as soon as a black man walks in, the center of attention becomes just how utterly mulatto his skin color is, you won!
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Aug 30, 2022 07:59
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That Italian Guy posted:Extra points if you do the former, then retroactively pretend on Twitter you didn't describe the character's features to be inclusive, then have someone pointing out that you've actually described the character once in a way that is incompatible with her being anything but vanilla. Rowling's dumbshittery is an entirely different shade of stupid: she actually did describe all her characters in a lot of physical detail... but didn't mention any racial features for any of the characters that weren't BLATANTLY non-white. In retrospect, I completely understand that corner of the fanbase that decided Blaise Zabini was a perfect white person for them to write as their self-insert and then got mad at the reveal they were black. With Rowling the fact she didn't mention a race usually DOES mean 'white', how were they supposed to guess the one exception?
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Aug 30, 2022 08:07
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Can really tell that it's fanfic with the names changed. are you under the impression that there's no swearing in fanfiction
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Blood Nightmaster posted:I don't think E.L. James is Mormon, that would be Stephenie Meyer (the one who actually wrote Twilight/was later used as a basis for Fifty Shades) lmao i was this many minutes old when i realized those are not the same person/not by the same author, my bad
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Aug 30, 2022 11:39
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Talk of the hippies reminded me of a museum in Denmark I visited about the communes that were set up. The stories from the men are all peace, love and sharing, but in the middle they start adding comments from the women - who basically said that even though the men talked about equality they still somehow split work into mens and womens work. No prizes for guessing how the division of labour turned out.
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Aug 30, 2022 11:58
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Men hunted weed and pizza I bet
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OzyMandrill posted:Talk of the hippies reminded me of a museum in Denmark I visited about the communes that were set up. The stories from the men are all peace, love and sharing, but in the middle they start adding comments from the women - who basically said that even though the men talked about equality they still somehow split work into mens and womens work. No prizes for guessing how the division of labour turned out. "Men will be taking on the mental work of thinking of new ideas. For instance, I thought up this idea that women should be picking oakum while the men go chat and smoke."
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Torquemada posted:Men hunted weed and pizza I bet Its an important task, but one me and my partner fulfill in equal measure.
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Aug 30, 2022 19:59
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I feel like weed is more something that you'd graze on, not hunt
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Said chat: The problem with using said a bunch isn't the word itself, it's when there's a long stretch of dialogue that's all formatted the same. If you have something that's likepre:"Blah blah blah," said Holmes. "Blah?" said Watson. "Blah blah blah blah, blah blah," said Holmes. "Blah blah, blah blah blah blah, blah blah blah," said Watson. "Blah blah, blah," said Holmes. "Blah blah..." said Watson. For adverbs, even if you restrict the definition to just mean words that end in -ly that modify verbs, they're all right if they're used properly. Stephen King's thing about never using adverbs just seems like "the only correct writing style is my writing style" blinders. Obviously it works well for him. Rowling could probably afford to use them less in her dialogue tags, though. I learned about said being invisible when I was twelve or thirteen. I guess I was trying to write something, and got frustrated because I kept running out of synonyms for said. Obviously, real writers knew all the right synonyms, because they wrote whole books full of dialogue. Maybe I could learn from the ones they used. So I got up and grabbed the best written book I knew: Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire. It could've turned out worse. Speaking of Rowling, Cleretic posted:In retrospect, I completely understand that corner of the fanbase that decided Blaise Zabini was a perfect white person for them to write as their self-insert and then got mad at the reveal they were black. With Rowling the fact she didn't mention a race usually DOES mean 'white', how were they supposed to guess the one exception?
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Aug 31, 2022 02:47
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Stephen King uses a fair amount of adverbs and after reading On Writing they stick out like Wilhelm Screams. Can't unsee.
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Aug 31, 2022 05:14
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"I'm getting tired of using 'said'", he averred exasperatedly.
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"We're done with 'said' when I say so!" I hiss
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Aug 31, 2022 05:25
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adverbs are extremely good actually
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Adverbs significantly improve every sentence and should be used profusely.
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"How many times can we really use the word 'said' though? After every sentence of dialog?" he questioned.
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I think Stephen King just has a really narrow idea of what an adverb is. I helped him out by taking the adverbs out of that bit of advice from On Writing.quote:I believe the road to hell is paved with adverbs, and I will shout it from the rooftops. To put it another way, they're like dandelions. If you have one on your lawn, it looks pretty and unique. If you fail to root it out, , you find five the next day... fifty the day after that... and, my brothers and sisters, your lawn is covered with dandelions. you see them for the weeds they are, but it's—GASP!!— late. (I'm aware that the "totally, completely, and profligately covered" bit was ironic)
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Shwoo posted:Stephen King's thing about never using adverbs just seems like "the only correct writing style is my writing style" blinders. - Stephen King, probably.
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Aug 31, 2022 08:30
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I recall the dialogue in the Goosebumps books literally never using “said”. It might not be all of the books, but R.L. Stine really went out of his way to avoid it, likely for educational reasons in expanding children’s vocabulary.
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Brawnfire posted:"We're done with 'said' when I say so!" I hiss "STOP SAYING SAID." I bellow.
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Aug 31, 2022 12:41
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Said is fine, he opined.
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Shwoo posted:I think Stephen King just has a really narrow idea of what an adverb is. I helped him out by taking the adverbs out of that bit of advice from On Writing. Joke's on him, I love dandelions.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Adverbs significantly improve every sentence and should be used profusely. This statement makes me so angrily mad.
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Aug 31, 2022 19:05
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heckin mad
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You cant just have your characters announce how they feel! That makes me feel angry.
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oldpainless posted:You cant just have your characters announce how they feel! That makes me feel angry. I feel like some futurama episodes should be in here. Not the dog one (that one was too sad even when it aired), but episodes like the Gender Bender or Bend Her. I feel like the writers were going with “Bender will do literally anything to win or make a quick buck”, and idk how they stuck the landing when airing those episodes…but now they just fall flat. That’s in addition to all the random pop culture stuff whose references are lost on a lot of people now 
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Those episodes fell flat when they first aired from what I recall, it's not because they were offensive, they just weren't funny even then.
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One of my favorite early 2000s jokes that doesn't track now is "cell phones are getting too small!" stuff. Futurama definitely did it (I think Amy swallows her phone multiple times) but it was also a gag in Zoolander and I feel like there was some SNL stuff with it too. Then we got the ability to watch porn on our phones and nothing was big enough.
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Randalor posted:Those episodes fell flat when they first aired from what I recall, it's not because they were offensive, they just weren't funny even then. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBtHXC-JOX8 "I'm not from here! I have my own customs! Look at my crazy passport!"
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The offensive bits aside, Futurama has a strong tendency to get dated just because so much of the comedy was about the year 3000 being just like the year 2000 but with more robots and spaceships. Hell, they had a whole episode about Napster.
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Tenebrais posted:The offensive bits aside, Futurama has a strong tendency to get dated just because so much of the comedy was about the year 3000 being just like the year 2000 but with more robots and spaceships. Hell, they had a whole episode about Napster. That episode at least did something fun with the concept and established setting stuff, though even vaguely genuine anti-piracy is never going to go over well as it is.
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SNL did a skit where the joke was that only the common people had phone getting smaller. "Cammy Diaz has a phone the size of a brick!" Much like jokes about the ever increasing size of boom boxes (do those still exist?), a tech change reverses what seems like a universal trend.
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