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golden bubble posted:https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1564983903475175424 Report map haxx
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I've said it before, but even if the US were to move to an MBT with an autoloader, it would be worth keeping the 4th crewman as a dedicated full time drone operator. Edit: I think that observation drones will be the biggest change to the battlefield since the radio or smokeless powder. A.o.D. fucked around with this message at 18:02 on Aug 31, 2022 |
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2/3rds of the way to Hammer’s Slammers there. All they need to do now is slave that main gun to onboard anti-air tracking
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Marshal Prolapse posted:https://twitter.com/fdf_ukraine/status/1555032327247564802?s=21&t=TlU-ayQ8jYIr0Mkbx3uu9w Do NOT put impact fused grenades on the edge of a table. Just don’t.
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fatherboxx posted:Report map haxx Say a tanker this is cheating and doesnt count. However pretty drat ingenious. One of the most interesting feature on the Rheinmetalls new proto they had on the spring was literally internal drone bay and optional fourth seater for drone FO and command&control stuff.
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golden bubble posted:https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1564983903475175424 Someone should tell them that tanks are not sniper rifles, and they should stop using them wrong
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Valtonen posted:Say a tanker this is cheating and doesnt count. However pretty drat ingenious. This is exactly what I mean. Every AFV, artillery observer, and at the very least company level infantry formation should have one.
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RFC2324 posted:Someone should tell them that tanks are not sniper rifles, and they should stop using them wrong  Tanks as artillery, I imagine, would come in very handy if you cannot get support from actual artillery. This was definitely a thing for US tanks in the last century but that only for exceptional circumstances.
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Marshal Prolapse posted:Seeing a large scale European offensive in 2022 is so weird. My advanced battlefield expertise in Wargame: Red Dragon tells me these guys are all going to die, I sure hope I'm wrong!
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CabooseRvB posted:
I mean, the Sherman was designed from the get go to be able to provide service as an indirect fire system if needed We've always done that. I know during the crossing of the Rhine, some Shermans got attached to Artillery battalions and used in indirect fire missions.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1565005545773404160 This is a Professional gun crew. They've come a long way when it comes to proficiency, and that only comes with dedication and repetition.
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A.o.D. posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1565005545773404160 Those things are towed by the barrel? That really surprises me.
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ManMythLegend posted:Those things are towed by the barrel? That really surprises me. Makes a lot of sense, really. They are quite large, and towing by the trail means that either you have to accept a deceptively long tow, or find a way to make either the gun itself or its trails pivot 180 degrees-- both of which could make packing up a lot slower and harder work for the gunners. I am by no means an expert on M777s (or any artillery for that matter), but I would imagine that there is some kind of tampion or shroud for the muzzle to keep out dirt and debris while moving around too.
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Additionally all those tank destroyer battalions that were used largely as indirect fire support in Italy and France. Quoting Wikipedia for the M10:quote:In reality, this was not the case and M10 battalions were attached, often semi-permanently, to infantry and armored divisions to provide additional direct and indirect fire support. Typical missions included providing indirect artillery fire by augmenting divisional artillery units
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In the static phase of the Korean war it was very common to use all types of tanks for indirect fire. In particular I think they still had the 105 howitzer versions of the Sherman, but I think I read somewhere that they preferred the Shermans over the new M-46 because they were mostly used in static positions as artillery and wanted the lower weight and fuel consumption.
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ManMythLegend posted:Those things are towed by the barrel? That really surprises me. Shroud and not directly to the barrel I would think. I imagine there is probably an element of "gently caress gently caress gently caress move move move" in the evasion of counter fire so might not be the "street" hookups? Other side could have brake lines and light hookups and stuff. rear end-pulling on all of that though, I wasn't an arty guy.
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A.o.D. posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1565005545773404160 Getting shot at is good motivation too. Today I learned that an M777 is towed by barrel. I had thought they'd face backwards in my ignorance of artillery.
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M_Gargantua posted:Getting shot at is good motivation too. It is, but panic doesn't make for good ballet. This is skill and practice on display.
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I would think having the barrel facing back would increase the risk of dragging / hitting / warping as it bounced around too.
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Also makes sense in that the truck can drop you basically lined up to the direction you want to fire rather than backing in or having to rotate the gun.
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Russian “air defense” gets tired of working for Russia. https://twitter.com/golub/status/1565066934764306432?s=21&t=QE-T24N8B-4zQiL4mlKrbQ These are from the NAFO Discord. Not sure how to embed them as their MP4s. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1003007432722759730/1014626931628593293/-2150499863335431871.mp4 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1003007432722759730/1014626369289867334/IMG_9781.MP4 Edit: huh I wonder why one embedded?
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Marshal Prolapse posted:Edit: huh I wonder why one embedded? The one that embedded is ".mp4" and the one that didn't is ".MP4", maybe a bad regex on the server? E: \/\/\/ Yep, tried the 2nd one with ".mp4" and it tried to embed but the URL is broken now. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1003007432722759730/1014626369289867334/IMG_9781.mp4 goatsestretchgoals fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Aug 31, 2022 |
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goatsestretchgoals posted:The one that embedded is ".mp4" and the one that didn't is ".MP4", maybe a bad regex on the server? Interesting I didn’t even know I could embed those; so honestly I’m happy at least one did. Thanks for trying though with the other one. The NAFO discord is filled with a thread of strike videos that are being added pretty much in real time after being pulled from Telegram. Also big lol that Turkey decided to not get the F 35 so they could get the S400s.
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I mean technically EVERY tank is and always has been mobile artillery. Direct-fire artillery, that is, the way God and Napoleon intended artillery to be.
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A.o.D. posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1565005545773404160 It's gonna be weird when Ukrainian veterans are going around to NATO units explaining best practices and lessons learned. At this point the Ukrianian Armed Forces probably have the most practical knowledge of use and employment of many NATO weapon systems.
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BaconAndBullets posted:It's gonna be weird when Ukrainian veterans are going around to NATO units explaining best practices and lessons learned. At this point the Ukrianian Armed Forces probably have the most practical knowledge of use and employment of many NATO weapon systems. I'd be shocked if that isn't happening behind the scenes at least between the US and Ukraine, would only make sense they tell us what works and what doesn't, if we're providing toys. But yeah Ukraine has put more NATO weapons to their intended use than any NATO power besides the US at this point.
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orange juche posted:I'd be shocked if that isn't happening behind the scenes at least between the US and Ukraine, would only make sense they tell us what works and what doesn't, if we're providing toys. Arguably more than the US if you take into account most of that stuff was originally designed for the cold war/ conventional war with Russia.
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M_Gargantua posted:Getting shot at is good motivation too. Is near-peer artillery just like a massive game of battleship, except that yours and enemy targets can move so that speed and timing matter? Seems like the trick is to have large numbers of unfired positions ready to strike whatever shows up on the counterbattery radar asap
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Tomn posted:I mean technically EVERY tank is and always has been mobile artillery. Every US-built tank from Sherman to Abrams have had gunner's quadrants and the other stuff necessary to do indirect fire if necessary.
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A.o.D. posted:This is exactly what I mean. Every AFV, artillery observer, and at the very least company level infantry formation should have one. Im not that familiar with the average infantry company MTOE but cav scout troops all have a raven/puma(?, Can't remember what they're called). Pretty sure infantry companies have them as well though. Scouts doing conventional warfare training rotations through NTC/JRTC is almost entirely looking at stuff through all of our fancy optics/UAVs and calling for fire with mortars/artillery spending on what the target is.
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orange juche posted:I'd be shocked if that isn't happening behind the scenes at least between the US and Ukraine, would only make sense they tell us what works and what doesn't, if we're providing toys. US has spent basically the last 8 years running real-time extremely practically oriented think tanks out of Ukraine to better oppose russian tactics and doctrine and equipment. literally dudes going from the front back to american advisory staff and asking 'how tf do we handle this?' and everyone involved workshopping out solutions to rapidly test out. I can only imagine how much the pace of that has picked up in the last 8-9 months now that the budget and resources (and urgency) available to those efforts is just a blank check
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CabooseRvB posted:
It was also used extensively in Vietnam. Because what else are you going to do with a tank in a jungle against an insurgent force?
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https://twitter.com/ukraine_map/status/1565016509029695488?s=21&t=utveg1R-nA-VzE9YYInbag Tick Tock HIMARS all around the clock.
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Fearless posted:Makes a lot of sense, really. They are quite large, and towing by the trail means that either you have to accept a deceptively long tow, or find a way to make either the gun itself or its trails pivot 180 degrees-- both of which could make packing up a lot slower and harder work for the gunners. Or you have your advance party pull you in so that the barrel lines up with the direction of fire then drop it, like you do with a M198. Which the 777 replaced. If you can do a U turn or a right or left you can pull a trail towed howitzer into position and on the azimuth of lay. A.o.D. posted:It is, but panic doesn't make for good ballet. This is skill and practice on display. They have obviously done their cannoneer drills. Could be a bit faster on getting the sights into their box and on the truck but AAR poo poo comes after ivan is dead. Steezo fucked around with this message at 05:59 on Sep 1, 2022 |
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Suicide Watch posted:Is near-peer artillery just like a massive game of battleship, except that yours and enemy targets can move so that speed and timing matter? This is why many western observers were worried abt russian doctrine whilst the US fires capabilities waned during operation bomb useless dirt- Russians have a ton of towed artillery attached to their fire elements that are less mobile but could -in theory- provide a LOT of fires overmatch in barrel-per-barrel area denial/attrition battle against a US BCT that has fewer but more capable platforms, meaning that after phase 25 of fire-counterfire-counter-counterfire-counter-countercounterfire the end result wouldve been that all the m109s have a k/d of 12/1 but still lost the overall fight since the 13th russian gun took them out. It looks like this has turned out less than realistic in ukraine though largest due to russian logistics and command being.. less than their theoretical capability.
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All of the parts of the Army that were neglected during the past 20 years (ADA, artillery, chemical corps) are probably feeling a lot of love again.
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BaconAndBullets posted:At this point the Ukrianian Armed Forces probably have the most practical knowledge of use and employment of many NATO weapon systems. That's a certain for the PzH2000, it was never used in any conflict i know of.
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Long-loiter kamikaze drones would make me super nervous to be firing non-mechanized artillery. They're not super ubiquitous yet but the time is coming.
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