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I think some of the annoyance is that they seemed to be on the right track after last league with nerfing harder mods and such, then went backwards somehow and they got harder again so they're having to re-nerf now. Then the loot changes amplified a lot of annoyance.
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Sep 1, 2022 00:52
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Current streamer hotness is that Tarkat dropped Belfry strat. The Kitava boss spawns like 2 rares and a pack of blues every phase change, so that's like CASH MONEY HONEY. Juice rare monster bonuses in the atlas.
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Sep 1, 2022 00:53
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I've got over 200 hours in this game and I still don't understand poo poo. Every few leagues I get a hankering to play, very strictly follow a build guide, have some fun and dip in early maps when I've had my fill. The thought of even attempting to make my own build is like.....how the gently caress can anyone do it? Because I play so infrequently there are always new mechanics when I come back. Most of the league mechanics at least make intuitive sense - the build a monster one, for example. You put the parts in and see what they do and get the rewards. Or the one where you put the explosives down and it's a little minigame to see if you can get all the chests. But I have absolutely no idea what is even going on with Betrayal. I arbitrarily choose the options when I kill the bad guys and have not one single clue what any of it means. The cards whizz around and the strings change colour and what the gently caress does any of it mean?
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Sep 1, 2022 01:14
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Bardeh posted:I've got over 200 hours in this game and I still don't understand poo poo. Every few leagues I get a hankering to play, very strictly follow a build guide, have some fun and dip in early maps when I've had my fill. The thought of even attempting to make my own build is like.....how the gently caress can anyone do it? same but 3700 hours
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Sep 1, 2022 01:18
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Same but about 10k hours
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Sep 1, 2022 01:23
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Bardeh posted:But I have absolutely no idea what is even going on with Betrayal. I arbitrarily choose the options when I kill the bad guys and have not one single clue what any of it means. The cards whizz around and the strings change colour and what the gently caress does any of it mean? It's really hard to tl;dr how Betrayal works, but assuming you don't want to read the entire Wiki entry: look at rewards (do look at the Wiki for that, the in-game text sucks), determine which ones are good, try to get that person under the corresponding branch. Research and Intervention tend to be the money ones. Try to build up Rivalries (or Allies, but Rivalries are better) with the members that you want rewards from, as that means they'll be more likely to show up in encounters. Once the Intelligence bar for a branch has filled you run a Safehouse encounter for that branch where you fight everyone under that branch and collect their rewards. Do enough Safehouses you'll be able to fight the Necromancer herself who  SPOILER ALERT is Catarina the Necromancer in a twist that literally everyone saw coming when Betrayal was first announced.And no, I'm not tl;dr'ing that even further.
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Sep 1, 2022 01:28
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I haven’t logged on in two days, so I guess I am done with the league (which is probably the least amount of time I’ve played a league since I started PoE). Archnemesis didn’t make me quit. If anything, I’ve liked the change, and having there occasionally be a dangerous rare that you have to skip is a good change. The health scaling and defenses was the only problem I had with AN, where you come across something that is not dangerous, but is just a tedious slog to fight (like that clip of Nugi walking away and letting his character keep wailing on a rare for almost 10 minutes). The loot changes bugged me. I would have gotten stuck in yellow maps without the guild bank, because the currency drop nerf meant I couldn’t afford to make up for the lack of map drops by buying maps from Kira’s. But the patches and getting to a stage where I can chisel, alch and go t16s definitely felt like loot was “fine” at that level. The reason I’m done with the league is the character balance has felt really stale. We had patch 3.17, then no change, now 3.17, but everything is worse, and SRS took the place of Skelemages. Logging in and farming felt really pointless when I realized there was no build I was working towards. I started LC which was decent but clunky, rerolled as RF to do some easy farming, but there is nothing to work towards. I fear these underwhelming balance changes are going to be the norm since all of the development focus is on PoE2. It feels like the people who work on character balance are only allocated to the current game a few hours a league.
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Sep 1, 2022 01:32
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Magus42 posted:I think some of the annoyance is that they seemed to be on the right track after last league with nerfing harder mods and such, then went backwards somehow and they got harder again so they're having to re-nerf now. also Sentinels were probably the most rewarding league mechanic ever and were dead simple to use. Press F2 and currency pours from le glacier
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Sep 1, 2022 01:39
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Bardeh posted:I've got over 200 hours in this game and I still don't understand poo poo. Every few leagues I get a hankering to play, very strictly follow a build guide, have some fun and dip in early maps when I've had my fill. The thought of even attempting to make my own build is like.....how the gently caress can anyone do it? I have 8k hours played according to Steam, since the 1.0 release day. For the first 2k hours, I either made my own build and failed spectacularly, or followed a build by someone like Mathil and succeeded far past my expectations. Being able to craft your own build from scratch just comes from a long-rear end accumulation of knowledge and quite a lot of copying the ways in which good builds scale their damage and defenses. Even with this huge amount of time investment, I've only felt like three of my self-designed builds have ever felt "top-tier" (LL BV Occultist in Incursion league that I got my first uber elder kill with, Voidforge Cyclone Slayer in Metamorph, and BF Surrender maxblock Gladiator in Ultimatum). And all of those characters have had very key elements nerfed into the ground since then, so I can't possibly copy-paste and have the same success. It's Sisyphean. If the theorycrafting is half of the fun for you, then go for it. If not, then copy someone's good build and enjoy, there's no shame in that!
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Sep 1, 2022 01:43
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Flavahbeast posted:also Sentinels were probably the most rewarding league mechanic ever and were dead simple to use. Press F2 and currency pours from le glacier because I'm a weirdo, sentinel did little to nothing for me recombinators I thought were rad, because they gave value to random floor trash, but sentinels were just a "make loot bigger button" without any meaningful gameplay attached to them conceptually though, I really liked the idea of the sentinel board as a means of adjusting map to map loot focus - sort of like the atlas tree in miniature I don't think they'd ever want to give us that much agency over loot, but in a roundabout way, a gameified version of the drop filter in grim dawn and lost epoch would be a lot of fun
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Sep 1, 2022 01:48
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also sentinel is not the most rewarding mechanic ever lmfao. maybe if you slammed two amazing items together into one godtier item like idk a inc global defences hunter crit/curse chest that also has 1k base es or some poo poo. the most rewarding mechanic ever is heist, unquestionably, and it kind of still is. the most rewarding in-map one was probably legion or delerium. a couple free extra chaos or stacked decks is not even close
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Sep 1, 2022 01:50
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I think the most rewarding mechanic ever was Harvest league Harvest, which GGG obviously reacted to with a big "Oh gently caress no, nonono you can't have that". Heist is pretty good though, yeah.
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Sep 1, 2022 01:53
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Mentat Radnor posted:I think the most rewarding mechanic ever was Harvest league Harvest, which GGG obviously reacted to with a big "Oh gently caress no, nonono you can't have that". Heist is pretty good though, yeah. it dropped absolutely gently caress all and I quit after getting to white maps because it was so unbelievably unrewarding and boring lol. im aware the reward is the craft but to me that's like taking a poo poo on the floor in my house and saying I've given you some excellent, rewarding fertilizer
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Sep 1, 2022 01:56
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 I will defeat you, Chris. no matter the cost.
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Sep 1, 2022 02:05
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Larry Parrish posted:it dropped absolutely gently caress all and I quit after getting to white maps because it was so unbelievably unrewarding and boring lol. im aware the reward is the craft but to me that's like taking a poo poo on the floor in my house and saying I've given you some excellent, rewarding fertilizer Well yeah, if you didn't craft then it was absolutely nothing, but if you did craft then it was the most bonkers overpowered moneyprinter in the game's history. Even nuttier than Synthensis crafting, and less needlessly esoteric.
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Sep 1, 2022 02:53
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Harvest was loving cool for allowing you to make Factorio neon circuit board gardens. I printed graph paper for that league.
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Sep 1, 2022 03:13
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legit bummed I missed that league, it looked crazy in the screens and stuff I saw online but I was taking a break during it
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Sep 1, 2022 03:15
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The crafting was cool but the garden management was tedious I felt.
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Sep 1, 2022 03:20
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The garden management got old as the league went on, and holy poo poo storing all your crafts in benches was a pain in the rear end. I had a quad tab full of benches with good crafts stored by the end of the league.
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Sep 1, 2022 03:41
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Yeah the micromanagement and busywork was obnoxious, but the deterministic crafting was everything I ever wanted from PoE. Like I would be fine with grinding for a solid month to make one ideal rare item for my build, I just wish that kind of precision crafting capability was still in the game in some form. The Harvest nerfs this league reinforced GGG's stance that deterministic crafting is a great evil no matter what the cost, and players are somehow better served by lottery and prayers. That stance is by far my least favorite part of GGG's vision, I don't really give a poo poo if currency or uniques are slightly more or less common drops.
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Sep 1, 2022 03:49
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Dropbear posted:Haven't played for a couple of leagues so I've missed a lot of changes, but why are people so outraged over archnemesis? I think the outrage this game gets is half addicted players who've burned out but don't know how to quit finding the dopamine they're looking for by getting angry online and half is that GGG actually has made some dumb decisions lately that make a game that already asks a lot from its players even more frustrating. I think focusing a lot of their time and effort on poe2 has pretty clearly set this game back, especially if some of the less popular changes have been to put the games in alignment like a lot of people seem to think, so it'll be really interesting when poe2 finally comes out to see if it was worth it.
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Sep 1, 2022 03:52
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Mentat Radnor posted:Yeah the micromanagement and busywork was obnoxious, but the deterministic crafting was everything I ever wanted from PoE. Like I would be fine with grinding for a solid month to make one ideal rare item for my build, I just wish that kind of precision crafting capability was still in the game in some form. The Harvest nerfs this league reinforced GGG's stance that deterministic crafting is a great evil no matter what the cost, and players are somehow better served by lottery and prayers. That stance is by far my least favorite part of GGG's vision, I don't really give a poo poo if currency or uniques are slightly more or less common drops. it's part of their general weird stance to balance the game as if it were competitive
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Sep 1, 2022 03:54
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Larry Parrish posted:it's part of their general weird stance to balance the game as if it were competitive Actual competitive games abhor RNG slot machine poo poo for the most part, so that's pretty rear end backwards.
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Sep 1, 2022 03:56
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Dr Kool-AIDS posted:I think the outrage this game gets is half addicted players who've burned out but don't know how to quit finding the dopamine they're looking for by getting angry online and half is that GGG actually has made some dumb decisions lately that make a game that already asks a lot from its players even more frustrating. I think focusing a lot of their time and effort on poe2 has pretty clearly set this game back, especially if some of the less popular changes have been to put the games in alignment like a lot of people seem to think, so it'll be really interesting when poe2 finally comes out to see if it was worth it. PoE 2 has also been hanging over everyone’s heads like a weird sword of Damocles where instead of killing you it just tells you to keep waiting. It’s been a reason for all of the ills without also being a cure for years now. They almost certainly announced it about a year too early, if not more, and given the direction the game has been going, it’s pretty easy to lose faith in poe 2 at this point.
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Sep 1, 2022 04:05
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Goons, what kind of Stacked Deck Enjoyer are you? A) Open them and put them in your inventory, carefully inspecting each one B) Open them and throw them on the ground to hear the sweet dopamine of your loot filter C) Sell them like a loving loser Edit: Personally I go into the Menagerie and throw them on the bonfire Dr. Mantis Toboggan fucked around with this message at 04:12 on Sep 1, 2022 |
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Sep 1, 2022 04:06
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Click delve, throw them all on the ground and leave because I get nothing
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Sep 1, 2022 04:06
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Mentat Radnor posted:Actual competitive games abhor RNG slot machine poo poo for the most part, so that's pretty rear end backwards. tell it to Chris Wolcen lol. he pulls a lot of inspiration from MTG for some reason which is funny because other than the inherent randomness of deck draws afaik absolutely nobody does things like buy boosters to get new cards. they just buy the card Dr. Mantis Toboggan posted:Goons, what kind of Stacked Deck Enjoyer are you? a because i rarely remember to step into delve or a map to do b, and even when I do i pick them all up anyway. i like div cards, they might be my favorite thing in the game tbh Larry Parrish fucked around with this message at 04:10 on Sep 1, 2022 |
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Sep 1, 2022 04:08
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Dr. Mantis Toboggan posted:A) Open them and put them in your inventory, carefully inspecting each one
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Sep 1, 2022 04:12
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Dr. Mantis Toboggan posted:Goons, what kind of Stacked Deck Enjoyer are you? D) Mass open and throw into inventory, then go and refresh exilence next
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Sep 1, 2022 04:16
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I read the text on the card, examine the art, and consider it’s place in the Lore.
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Sep 1, 2022 04:18
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euphronius posted:I read the text on the card, examine the art, and consider it’s place in the Lore. Thank you for respecting the content LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:PoE 2 has also been hanging over everyone’s heads like a weird sword of Damocles where instead of killing you it just tells you to keep waiting. It’s been a reason for all of the ills without also being a cure for years now. It does feel like it was announced too early, especially because even the expected release of late 2023/early 2024 could still slip, though I will say that I always have this feeling that it was announced longer ago than it actually was. Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 04:24 on Sep 1, 2022 |
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Sep 1, 2022 04:21
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NPR Journalizard posted:D) Mass open and throw into inventory, then go and refresh exilence next Mass open and ctrl click them too quickly into the stash while barely reading them then eventually sometime way later glance at exilence next telling me hey dumbass some of these are worth a little bit you should sell them
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Sep 1, 2022 04:22
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Larry Parrish posted:also sentinel is not the most rewarding mechanic ever lmfao. maybe if you slammed two amazing items together into one godtier item like idk a inc global defences hunter crit/curse chest that also has 1k base es or some poo poo. the most rewarding mechanic ever is heist, unquestionably, and it kind of still is. the most rewarding in-map one was probably legion or delerium. a couple free extra chaos or stacked decks is not even close Do you actually think Sentinel rewards were, erm, "a couple free extra chaos or stacked decks"? Because that's just factually incorrect. Sentinel is easily in the top few most rewarding league mechanics.
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Sep 1, 2022 04:41
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One reason I'm mad about Sentinel not being in the game is that it seemed like such a natural fit to replace the outdated-as-gently caress Torment.
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Sep 1, 2022 04:45
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pork never goes bad posted:Do you actually think Sentinel rewards were, erm, "a couple free extra chaos or stacked decks"? Because that's just factually incorrect. Sentinel is easily in the top few most rewarding league mechanics. some of us dropped literally 3 currency sentinels ever and had to make do with random garbage
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Sep 1, 2022 04:52
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Larry Parrish posted:some of us dropped literally 3 currency sentinels ever and had to make do with random garbage You sure have a lot of opinions for someone who clearly doesn't play the game all that much
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Sep 1, 2022 05:03
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pork never goes bad posted:You sure have a lot of opinions for someone who clearly doesn't play the game all that much lol. quote:3.19.0g Patch Notes new patch dropped. sadly they fixed the off atlas kirac stuff which was funny. also i guess the mirage changes are good but i don't like them exploding faster. at least there will be less of them i suppose
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Sep 1, 2022 05:07
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pork never goes bad posted:You sure have a lot of opinions for someone who clearly doesn't play the game all that much Same post but about u
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Sep 1, 2022 05:07
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Larry Parrish posted:some of us dropped literally 3 currency sentinels ever and had to make do with random garbage Sounds like you were very bad at figuring out sentinel. I'm a terrible player, absolute garbage at farming currency, and even I was being showered in loot that league. Were you not using your dried up currency sentinels to combine with others to try and hit currency again?
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Sep 1, 2022 05:09
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quote:Fixed a bug which caused the damage dealt by Galvanic Field to not scale with shock effect. Lmao that explains the struggle that guy had when making the build
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Sep 1, 2022 05:12
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