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Jaxyon posted:The most unrealistic part of that episode was Doctor Who in jousting armor that didn't cover his face. I noticed that too, that was definitely inexcusably dumb.
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Chemtrailologist posted:Do crabs actually eat people alive? I'm just imagining some comical pinching and the crab scuttling away. I think coconut crabs (huge) have allegedly attacked people but for the most part they are scavengers. The smaller ones probably wouldn’t even be able to break human flesh.
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Sep 1, 2022 06:03
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Shoulda went with snapping turtles instead, terrifying creatures.
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AMELIA EARHART WAS NOT ENOUGH
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DJ_Mindboggler posted:I noticed that too, that was definitely inexcusably dumb. I mean I'm pleased that he was even wearing a helmet period given how rarely people wore them on GoT.
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Sep 1, 2022 07:42
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Jaxyon posted:The most unrealistic part of that episode was Doctor Who in jousting armor that didn't cover his face. Oh my god I am so glad I wasn’t the only one who noticed this and was bothered by it.
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Sep 1, 2022 09:32
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I mean is it really unrealistic that a supremely arrogant royal ditches basic safety protocol in favour of a cool dragon helmet?
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stev posted:I mean is it really unrealistic that a supremely arrogant royal ditches basic safety protocol in favour of a cool dragon helmet? Considering the cool dragon helmet could have been even cooler with a cool dragon visor? Yes, yes it is.
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Sep 1, 2022 11:49
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I think the tourney knight comment is more about how the Kingsguard is more like Secret Service, and needs to be someone who’s more prepared for surprise assassins and stuff, where raw 1v1 combat skills are nice to have but pointless if you aren’t getting into the fight until after the King has been stabbed
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Sep 1, 2022 12:41
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I know a few people have touched on this and that it mirrors the book but the King picking Alicent felt unearned or at least very rushed. Either give us more drawn out scenes of him becoming more smitten (beyond the more fatherly "check out my model train") or give us more of Otto scheming. As is, it's less that he's a fool and more what?/why?
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BWV posted:I know a few people have touched on this and that it mirrors the book but the King picking Alicent felt unearned or at least very rushed. Either give us more drawn out scenes of him becoming more smitten (beyond the more fatherly "check out my model train") or give us more of Otto scheming. As is, it's less that he's a fool and more what?/why? Was chatting with my brother about the show the other day and we were saying the same thing. Sure there's a time skip and presumably they met a lot then but you don't actually show any of it.
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Sep 1, 2022 14:05
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BWV posted:I know a few people have touched on this and that it mirrors the book but the King picking Alicent felt unearned or at least very rushed. Either give us more drawn out scenes of him becoming more smitten (beyond the more fatherly "check out my model train") or give us more of Otto scheming. As is, it's less that he's a fool and more what?/why? *Please ignore the potential consequences of choosing her.
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Sep 1, 2022 14:17
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I can see that but he also spends a great deal of time in the second episode talking to people and getting advice and seemingly comprehending it. He also has smaller discussions with characters about duty and obligation etc. so picking her for immediate convenience doesn't sit right with me. I think I can buy him desiring her or seeing her as a pleasant/caring/worthwhile partner, but like I said, I think they rushed that so it all felt a bit stupid. Which I guess fits if the King's main characteristic is Being Dumb but I felt like he had (should have) more depth than that. BWV fucked around with this message at 14:30 on Sep 1, 2022 |
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Sep 1, 2022 14:28
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Clyde Radcliffe posted:It's been a long time since I read the book but the king married Aemma when she was like 10 or 11 and got her knocked up when she was 12,, which probably explains why she had so many issues with childbirth. yeah ironically GoT show making everyone ~5 years older made it -more- historically arcuate than GRRM books a quick glance at wikipedia article for Queens of England of medieval era show avg age of marriage was late teens, and in cases where marriage occurred earlier than late teens the first kids only came when she reached her late teens. That being said you do have cases like Isabella of Valois whose husband ummmm wikipedia posted:On 29 June 1406 Isabella, aged 16, married her paternal cousin, Charles (1394–1465), aged 11.[9] Typo fucked around with this message at 14:36 on Sep 1, 2022 |
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BWV posted:I can see that but he also spends a great deal of time in the second episode talking to people and getting advice and seemingly comprehending it. He also has smaller discussions with characters about duty and obligation etc. so picking her for immediate convenience doesn't sit right with me. Nah it felt to me that he was feeling the pressure to choose a wife, and Otto had presented the least bad option to him. He doesn't actually feel anything for her beyond the fact that she's not a literal child and that she was nice to him. It's not him choosing love over duty, it's him being played very easily.
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I guess in retrospect I can see that as his motivation but it felt like he had more pressure to marry his cousin which would inevitably lead to the less people being unhappy. Everyone he talked to basically told him to unite the houses so if he's going to spurn them I feel like we need a bit more. Maybe if they gave us more extensive scenes with Otto telling him how important it is to marry and have a male heir in case Daemon challenged Rhaenyra's claim, and so picking someone who is 17 instead of 12 makes more sense (gross). I'm all for him being played I just felt like it wasn't set up well enough. Anyway, thus far I've found the scenes involving Daemon to be the most compelling. I feel like him and the Sea Snake steal every scene. Head of the Kigns Guard guy is also cool as poo poo. So I'm enjoying it but feel like the speed of each episode thus far
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Commander of the KG is played by Graham McTavish, who among other great roles played Dracula in the NF Castlevania series, and Dwalin (the bad rear end dwarf) in the Hobbit series. Great Scottish actor.
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BWV posted:I know a few people have touched on this and that it mirrors the book but the King picking Alicent felt unearned or at least very rushed. Either give us more drawn out scenes of him becoming more smitten (beyond the more fatherly "check out my model train") or give us more of Otto scheming. As is, it's less that he's a fool and more what?/why? He likes her, she’s nice to him and doesn’t make fun of his warhams, he doesn’t want to marry a 12yo and he’s pissed off with everyone around him and wants to upset some apple carts I think. E: Graham McTavish also was a silver fox Scottish rebel in Outlander. He’s getting a lot of roles these days.
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McTavisch was also on Witcher, Preacher and Lucifer so it seems he gets called every time someone adopts something
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BWV posted:I guess in retrospect I can see that as his motivation but it felt like he had more pressure to marry his cousin which would inevitably lead to the less people being unhappy. Everyone he talked to basically told him to unite the houses so if he's going to spurn them I feel like we need a bit more. Everyone's pressuring him to get married, nearly all of them to his cousin, but he doesn't want to marry his cousin, she's 12 and it's weird. He's not trying to spurn anyone, he's trying to compromise -- fine, he'll get married so everyone will shut up, but not to the child, he'll marry the teenager who's nice to him and he doesn't mind hanging out with.
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Also Daemon deliberately targeting his opponents horse also leapt out as well. Which would have been seen as blatant cheating in an actual tourney and gotten you banned. Even if he's the Kings brother and thought he could get away with it, everyone else would have been outraged and he should have been booed to the rafters.
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Cristian Cole feels like a very GRRM name. Like the dude is obviously gonna be way more significant than his basic rear end name suggests.
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What are they going to do, ban the guy who’s using live Valyrian steel? Get real.
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Platystemon posted:What are they going to do, ban the guy who’s using live Valyrian steel? It's OK because the dude using a real flail in a tourney beat him up by hitting him while his back was turned so justice was served.
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CapnAndy posted:You're ascribing some deep thought to the guy that he really doesn't have, while also being really close on his actual motives. Her being 12 is weird even on the politics level. If the concern is having an heir pronto, marrying a child who hasn't even gone through puberty is a bad plan!
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Vanilla Bison posted:Her being 12 is weird even on the politics level. If the concern is having an heir pronto, marrying a child who hasn't even gone through puberty is a bad plan! Yeah, I can see the argument that it would end the long-simmering resentment with that side of the family, but it most definitely does not solve the heir problem, which everyone is telling him is super urgent.
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BWV posted:I know a few people have touched on this and that it mirrors the book but the King picking Alicent felt unearned or at least very rushed. Either give us more drawn out scenes of him becoming more smitten (beyond the more fatherly "check out my model train") or give us more of Otto scheming. As is, it's less that he's a fool and more what?/why? "Your father is no fool." *Her father proceeds to make another in a series of massive, unforced blunders* stev posted:Nah it felt to me that he was feeling the pressure to choose a wife, and Otto had presented the least bad option to him. He doesn't actually feel anything for her beyond the fact that she's not a literal child and that she was nice to him. It's not him choosing love over duty, it's him being played very easily. I'm liking the characterization so far. Viserys was not cool with marrying a child even if it was permitted. Daemon will probably do something heartless and cruel to Mysaria because it's gurm but he at least seemed to actually hear what she was saying at the end of this episode.
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Vegetable posted:Cristian Cole feels like a very GRRM name. Like the dude is obviously gonna be way more significant than his basic rear end name suggests. They're presenting him as the handsome nice guy knight right now, so I assume he's gonna secretly be an arsehole, since Thrones likes subverting the chivalry stuff.
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It varied from era to era and place to place. It was extremely common, for instance, in pre-Renaissance northern Italy to marry girls very young and not as common in say, England. This all depended on various economic, social, cultural, geographic, and political variables.
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CapnAndy posted:You're ascribing some deep thought to the guy that he really doesn't have, while also being really close on his actual motives. This is also my read. Viserys, despite his personal reluctance to remarry so soon after the death of his (genuinely beloved) wife, is willing to do his duty for the realm. But he also wants to be personally happy, and out of the limited pool of candidates, Alicent is both not a literal child and has built up some rapport with the king already.
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IDK seems like a no brainer to me
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https://twitter.com/THR/status/1565085276703100928 Hah, that seems like a bad thing, right? Isn't Miguel Sapochnik the one guy from the original GoT show that seemed to know what he was doing?
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Sapochnik was the director of some of the tippy top GoT episodes like Hardhome and Battle of the Bastards. In his statement he says he's leaving amicably, and he's being replaced by Alan Taylor, who directed seven episodes, mostly in the first and second season, like Baelor, Fire and Blood, and Valar Morghulis. So, knowing nothing about the men beyond their resumes, it seems like they are about the same tier of "guy involved with GoT"quote:“Working within the Thrones universe for the past few years has been an honor and a privilege, especially spending the last two with the amazing cast and crew of House of the Dragon,” Sapochnik said in a statement. “I am so proud of what we accomplished with season one and overjoyed by the enthusiastic reaction of our viewers. It was incredibly tough to decide to move on, but I know that it is the right choice for me, personally and professionally. As I do so, though, I am deeply comforted to know that Alan will be joining the series. He’s someone I’ve known and respected for a long time, and I believe this precious series could not be in safer hands. I am so glad to remain a part of the HBO and House of the Dragon family and, of course, I wish Ryan and his team success and all the best with season two and beyond.” He also signed a first look deal with HBO so this reads more like he's bored with Westeros and wants to do other stuff than there are insurmountable creative problems looming.
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Probably leaving to start up Dunk & Egg, I can see HBO turning this into a Star Wars thing with alternating show seasons
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bobjr posted:I think the tourney knight comment is more about how the Kingsguard is more like Secret Service, and needs to be someone who’s more prepared for surprise assassins and stuff, where raw 1v1 combat skills are nice to have but pointless if you aren’t getting into the fight until after the King has been stabbed I could be wrong but I don't think any King has been assassinated or survived an attempted assassination at this point. The Kingsguard is largely ceremonial and a way to grant favoured positions to noble failsons in order to appease noble houses.
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Jahaerys had to use his kingsguard to protect him and his sister Queen when they decided to get married, their mom and uncle/father tried to split them up and annul the marriage since they were both too young to assert their rule.
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As for assassinations, Maegor was almost certainly assassinated (or else he was just very clumsy and unlucky).
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What was up with Otto turning up at Dragonstone with a maester, some egg-touchers, and a dozen dudes in armour to stand down Daemon? Dude has a literal army holed up in one of the most defensible fortresses in Westeros and the biggest loving dragon imaginable who could sneeze and wipe out Otto's entire party. If negotiations failed were they planning to run up to the castle walls Monty Python Holy Grail style and start hacking at them with their swords?
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Clyde Radcliffe posted:What was up with Otto turning up at Dragonstone with a maester, some egg-touchers, and a dozen dudes in armour to stand down Daemon? Dude has a literal army holed up in one of the most defensible fortresses in Westeros and the biggest loving dragon imaginable who could sneeze and wipe out Otto's entire party. If negotiations failed were they planning to run up to the castle walls Monty Python Holy Grail style and start hacking at them with their swords? They were most likely going to retreat if negotiations went badly. Otto has his guys put away their weapons before Rhaeneyra shows up.
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