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tsob posted:I'm also not sure there's any contradiction here, because it's quite possible she just...got a better handle on it once she was made aware that surprise could cause her to transform. To add to this, it's intentional. The whole point is Jen is being victimized and then realizes she actually has the upper hand. It's why the episode ends with Jen staring at her own She Hulk reflection, she truly can't go back to "normal" and being a Hulk is now part of who she is.
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ShoogaSlim posted:i know and have met some pretty vapid people in my life, but the male lawyer who thinks he was dating MTS feels to me like a pretty impossible representation of a dudebro. i'm not disputing the youtube stuff, i know that poo poo is real. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNnj2lLTojE
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ShoogaSlim posted:abomination: i assume this plot has to be fast-tracked to get it out of the way, but it all feels too convenient. and also, don't we all agree that it's probably gonna blow up in she-hulks face toward the end? do we all really believe he's not actually covering up his secret still-present diabolical motivations? otherwise, what's the conflict? honestly that question can be used to summarize my whole critique of the show. there's no conflict or consequence to anything at all. The conflict is "can she win this case when Abomination himself keeps tanking it in stupid ways?". Him having changed isn't convenient, and his changes end up being quite inconvenient for her at a few points since he's so blase about transforming at will that he scares the piss out of the entire prison, for instance. Beyond that, the show spent 2 episodes showing that he'd changed; including several prison staff talking about how he'd been a good inmate for the long term and not just recently. How is that "too convenient"? It's a lawyer show, there are no huge world altering stakes. At least yet, hopefully not at all. At least in this season. It doesn't need to be more than that, at least within this episode. Maybe he fucks up his parole, or maybe he comes back as an unlikely ally when there is some kind of big fight later in the season risking his parole to help Jen after she got him out. Who knows; could go either way. There's conflict in the episode regardless. ShoogaSlim posted:drunk hulk physics: tbh, i don't really give that much of a poo poo. it's just a silly inclusion in a silly show but the fact that it was setup in one episode and used to pay off a "joke" in the next is just... idk not funny (to me). i can easily let that go in isolation. The payoff is Jen having a hangover the next morning as a human. Which is only a minute or so later in the same episode. The second episode just referenced it for another joke, because why not? ShoogaSlim posted:random auto-hulking out: you're saying it's "quite possible" but the show doesn't hint at it or even flat out tell us what changed between the two instances i brought up. she was startled enough to auto-hulk by the airhorn and scared enough to auto-hulk when walls of spinning blades were closing in on her. but she wasn't phased enough whatsoever to auto-hulk in the latest episode. even if we just assume she has 100% autonomy over her powers now, this still negates the gravity of the explanation provided in episode 1. again, no consequences or conflict of any kind to really cling to. more twerking! I'm pretty sure she chose to Hulk out to stop the blades, rather than it being an uncontrolled reaction. She was aware she could do it by choice a few minutes later, and the two previous times definitely weren't by choice going off dialogue; so that implies the experimental one was. Which lends credence to the idea she was learning to control it, since she transformed without thinking about it in reaction to being harassed by the men in episode 1, then was shocked that she was in control when she transformed in the lab later i.e. she's taking control of it. Not perfect control, since the bed thing happens later, but she's learning regardless, and the instance this episode even bears similarities to her transformation in the first episode outside the bar. This just feels like you're picking at minor things in the show, cinemasins style, to try and justify your dislike of it rather than just being content with "it's not for me", as you stated earlier. tsob fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Sep 2, 2022 |
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Arist posted:The inhibitor doesn't work on Hulks, but does work on Abomination because he's a weird mixture of Hulk and super soldier serum. There, I solved it. We actually don't know whether it works on Hulks or not because I don't think any Hulks have had one put on them. Actually one might well work because Bruce had the one that worked on him.
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Can't wait for the new X-Men series: Disney's Marvel's X-Persons: Mutants are a Thinly Disguised Metaphor for Minorites
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oh and some of the jokes didn't land for me specifically BRRRT, I thought you all needed to know that TOOT just absolutely gotta share these spicy PBBLT takes with everyone
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Surprised at the mixed reaction, that was my favorite episode of the series yet. Enjoyed it a lot, and while the first few episodes felt like they were still doing a lot of setup, it feels like the show has really settled out here and I like the tone it's landed on. Also that YouTuber bit is going to make some people mad. 
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MCU TV: The mixed reaction is coming from inside the episode
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Everyone posted:As I said in a other thread, I want more Emil because Tim Roth is kind of awesome and we all know that Emil's cult/harem is going to go spectacularly wrong (he causes the creation of seven Aboministas due to "fluid transfer") and I want to see that. One of his girlfriends brings her three show poodles who turn out to hate men and immediately bite Emil
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Lord Hydronium posted:Surprised at the mixed reaction, that was my favorite episode of the series yet. Enjoyed it a lot, and while the first few episodes felt like they were still doing a lot of setup, it feels like the show has really settled out here and I like the tone it's landed on. Also that YouTuber bit is going to make some people mad.  that this was my favorite episode yet.Even if you haven't heard a Megan Thee Stallion song or know who she is, the episode did a fine job of establishing she's a bfd by how Pug and Jen emphasize her name. Also, more Wong and more Mallory Book, please and thanks.
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tsob posted:This just feels like you're picking at minor things in the show, cinemasins style, to try and justify your dislike of it rather than just being content with "it's not for me", as you stated earlier. with enough motivation and enthusiasm, you can explain away anything the show does to seemingly contradict itself. it works with any show or movie, marvel or not. i appreciate that you are engaging with me on the arguments i presented, but we'll have to agree to disagree. the way the show presents its rules to me feels inconsistent and... lazy idk. if it works for you, that's great. truly. you mentioned there being conflict about whether jen will win the abomination case or whatever. to me, it was never in question bc of course the protagonist is going to pull it off. despite the fact that abomination is tanking it for her (abomination, btw, is apparently so in touch with his own and other people's emotions that he's an upstanding member of society but somehow doesn't realize that unexpectedly and without warning transforming into a huge monster is going to cause people stress and fear and maybe work against him??). call it nitpicking or looking for something to dislike, but this stuff all just looks clear as day to me as flaws with the narrative, world-building, and immersion. i'll continue watching bc tbh at this point it's a trainwreck i can't wait to watch spectacularly fail in the end. but i'll refrain from constantly bitching about it in this thread.
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I will say that I thought they were laying it on too thick with Dennis for a while but they did tie it into the story in a way that felt real. And I can see him becoming a lovable scumbag like, well, Dennis from 30 Rock. Also, I suspect Emil becomes a mentor for Jen. Bruce was very doom and gloom about what it's like being a hulk but Emil seems much less afraid of it. Plus, the commercials have already shown that he does actually open a wellness center.
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And I'm real glad they cut the Book of Vishanti line from the trailer. That was a real dud.
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live with fruit posted:And I'm real glad they cut the Book of Vishanti line from the trailer. That was a real dud. Maybe its from a future episode where Wong gets in trouble for breaking Emil out and he turns to Jen?
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ShoogaSlim posted:i'll continue watching bc tbh at this point it's a trainwreck i can't wait to watch spectacularly fail in the end.
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I can barely keep up with all the shows I actually like and people are hate watching entire series.
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ShoogaSlim posted:it's a trainwreck i can't wait to watch spectacularly fail in the end I mean lol it's a silly comedy show and people are amused and enjoying it, that's literally the measure of its success
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Could just be a case of MCU fatigue. Maybe take a break for She-Hulk? Come back for Armor Wars or Black Panther 2 maybe
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ShoogaSlim posted:you will automatically turn into the hulk if you get an airhorn blown in your ears while you're asleep, but you will not automatically change if you are (ep 3 spoiler) attacked alone at night by a group of men which is something you explicitly told the audience you are actually in constant fear of. I too hate when someone is bad at something in a training sequence and then later they're good at it PLOT HOLE! this is rey in the last jedi all over again! first she can't lift the heavy thing then later we see her lifting heavy things!? preposterous, it just doesn't make sense!
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I liked that episode a lot. Without reading this thread or any other takes I assume people are mad about it
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I can’t believe Wong would just lie on his resume like that. There’s no Targets in Nepal.
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The_Doctor posted:I can’t believe Wong would just lie on his resume like that. There’s no Targets in Nepal. OBJECTION!! 
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Gotta say, this show is way more of a straight-up sitcom than I was expecting. I'm into it.
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parole board extremely chill when a guy opens up a magical portal and walks in the room, freaks all the way the gently caress out when the man they know to be the abomination transforms into the abomination, in a cage, after making it extremely clear he's about to do so didn't love this episode, but a few lines made it worthwhile for me: the abrupt "i must depart" and "i will kill for you, megan thee stallion" lol at the cybertruck reference as well, i'd forgotten about that thing. i do think they're kinda pushing it w/r/t how delusional jen is about her situation, but i guess that's gonna be her big thing to come to grips with. how many people gotta be like "look, you turn into a giant green woman, the attention's not gonna go away after this case is over"
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Yeah but turning into a hulk is a normal thing in their family!!
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ShoogaSlim posted:you mentioned there being conflict about whether jen will win the abomination case or whatever. to me, it was never in question bc of course the protagonist is going to pull it off. See now this is just being disingenuous, because you could say that for just about any conflict, regardless of scale. Also, as someone else mentioned Emil made it really clear that he was going to transform, while behind a secure cell specifically built to contain him as the Abomination. Which he also felt he had to do, because the parole board was questioning his control of the transformation. Doing that, from his point of view, demonstrates his control, regardless of how much it freaks people out.
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I do honestly believe Emil is on the up and up about everything. It's an absolutely long con with many people to do all this for a chance at parole. I think the people having issues with this show are treating it like Anerican Crime Story or Serial rather than the loosey goosey Matlock/Phoenix Wright genre it belongs to. Like none of the legal proceedings are realistic at all but neither is Phoenix Wright interrogating a Killer Whale with shaman psychic powers. It's still real entertaining done right.
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ShoogaSlim posted:
Why? Why would you do this with your time? Like read a wikipedia summary after it finishes, there has to be something else you'd rather watch or do? I just cannot understand hate watching. I get having invested too much time and wanting to finish out a show that got stupid. Sunk cost fallacy is a bitch. But there are so many shows I gave a few hours to and then just dumped because they weren't for me.
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Weed Wolf posted:It's cuz capitalism has made all modern pop culture tribalistic and it's extremely profitable to make people think that they're Doing a Feminism / on the Right Side as they give Disney -- a massive, horrible, corporation which actively exploits queer, female, and PoC voices -- more money. By focusing on loud mouthbreathing idiot assholes on the internet Disney has an easy to point to "bad guy" as the company itself continues to do much, much worse Yea this is it, this is what was bothering me.
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I can't believe anyone was honestly upset about that YouTube bit, like it's the most realistic part of the show. Hell, not a day goes by where YouTube doesn't recommend a video featuring some mouth breather complaining about how Marvel's woke and women and minorities are ruining the MCU.
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DISNEY CORP is bad (being a capitalism) but if you've been paying attention at all, they are much more likely to quash progressivism in the media they control than demand it. Nearly any positive isms you detect are the result of the individual creators pushing for it, demanding it, or in some cases just being given a lot of rope This is the opposite of defending Disney, but things are complicated. They can be part bad and still the good parts are good and worth noticing and appreciating
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24 minutes out of the day is not a huge commitment so we can probably drop the “why you wasting so much time!”
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Oasx posted:This is hilarious I can’t tell if this is from the show or IRL
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Vintersorg posted:Her heart to heart with her dad in the last episode. Ms Marvel had humorous moments in its first 2 eps then turned into a tedious and overwrought melodrama with some of he shakiness villains in the MCU. She Hulk committing to being a 30 min comedy is loving refreshing
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ShoogaSlim posted:i find this argument to be a bit paradoxical. how can you meet your audience "where they are" and also claim that the audience in question is as many people as possible? where is this "location" that the show is meeting its broad audience at? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9O94UTDAJQ
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I'm not sure what it is with the She-Hulk CGI, but it's kind of jarring when she is walking around an office, partially because she walks kind of weird and there is this almost kind of blur effect around her. It's much better when she is just in the center of the frame and not really moving around a lot.
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BrianWilly posted:friend have you considered that your thoughts on this MCU cartoon may be affected by a bit of confirmation bias here. A little bit. Maybe. Just a little bit. Honest-to-Mephisto I'm just happy that this show that I really wanted to like is something that I actually do like.
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