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"AI won an art contest, and artists are furious" https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/03/tech/ai-art-fair-winner-controversy/index.html  "In August, Jason M. Allen's piece "Théâtre D'opéra Spatial" — which he created with AI image generator Midjourney — won first place in the emerging artist division's "digital arts/digitally-manipulated photography" category at the Colorado State Fair Fine Arts Competition."
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Sep 4, 2022 08:10
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If the category is called “digital arts/digitally-manipulated photography”, the artist is upfront about the method, and the judges are cool with it, I don’t see the problem.
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Sep 4, 2022 08:40
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ThisIsJohnWayne posted:"AI won an art contest, and artists are furious" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_State_Fair https://coloradostatefair.com/competitions/general-entry-fine-arts/ The arts world has been destroyed.
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Sep 4, 2022 08:43
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I can't believe CNN would jeopardise its journalistic integretahaahaha
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Sep 4, 2022 08:57
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Fat Dan posted:coloradostatefair.com Ah yes. The state fair. Where I go for the most discerning of art critiques. (tbh, I love looking at the terrible folk art / photo competitions at the Wisconsin State Fair. Someone can take a blurry picture of a tomato and have it win a blue ribbon. It's glorious.)
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Sep 4, 2022 09:04
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I wonder if there are angry letters from the 19th century decrying the perfection of the camera.
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Sep 4, 2022 09:48
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By popular demand posted:I wonder if there are angry letters from the 19th century decrying the perfection of the camera. It's one of the reasons Modern art developed.
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Sep 4, 2022 10:59
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I know that, I'd just like to find some angry rambling about how the kids will never learn proper technique now and will only make lazy kitche.
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Sep 4, 2022 11:59
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By popular demand posted:I know that, I'd just like to find some angry rambling about how the kids will never learn proper technique now and will only make lazy kitche. Check out a guy called Ben Shapiro
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Sep 4, 2022 13:58
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By popular demand posted:I know that, I'd just like to find some angry rambling about how the kids will never learn proper technique now and will only make lazy kitche. http://chimeraobscura.com/vm/episode-497-dave-mckean
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Sep 4, 2022 18:31
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Platystemon posted:If the category is called “digital arts/digitally-manipulated photography”, the artist is upfront about the method, and the judges are cool with it, I don’t see the problem. I do not think that that is what happened. I wonder if any of the artists whos works were included in the AI's training set were asked permission. IIRC it's been established that these AI generated works aren't copyrightable for exactly that reason.
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Sep 4, 2022 21:11
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Improbable Lobster posted:I wonder if any of the artists whos works were included in the AI's training set were asked permission. IIRC it's been established that these AI generated works aren't copyrightable for exactly that reason. nah, they're not copyrightable because only human's creations can be given copyright. It's like that monkey selfie. If you use the tool and put in more than de minimis creative effort (or if you take something public domain and use it as part of creating other art), then you own the copyright. using copyrighted works to train a machine model (even for profit) has already been held up as fair use by US courts in multiple cases. In Japan they've already altered their copyright law to add a specific explicit fair use carveout for model training.
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Sep 4, 2022 21:37
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drat i found the real life lawyer advice thread nice 😎
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Sep 4, 2022 21:46
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By popular demand posted:I wonder if there are angry letters from the 19th century decrying the perfection of the camera. I've seen stuff from the 80s where people are arguing if "computer music" is real music or not, lamenting that soon nobody will know how to play instruments, and not understanding that the computer is not actually "making" the song. And as we all know every singer was replaced with Hatsune Miku in 2007. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OY2UU-PPdfc
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Sep 5, 2022 04:05
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Improbable Lobster posted:I do not think that that is what happened.
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Sep 5, 2022 11:45
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Tiggum posted:It is. Read the article. "Allen stated that Midjourney was used to create his image when he entered the contest, he said." I wonder if the judges understood what that meant though? Telling someone you made the art with AI, they might assume just using a computer in general was "using AI". I mean, I knew a fuckton of knowledgeable, respected artists that thought CGI was "just the computer doing everything" when it first came out because they had no idea how the process worked. Old art judges might think "using AI" is the same as using Photoshop.
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Sep 5, 2022 11:50
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Bloody Hedgehog posted:I wonder if the judges understood what that meant though? At least one of them didn't, but later found out and stuck by the decision: quote:Cal Duran, an artist and art teacher who was one of the judges for the competition, said that while Allen's piece included a mention of Midjourney, he didn't realize that it was generated by AI when judging it. Still, he sticks by his decision to award it first place in its category, he said, calling it a "beautiful piece".
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Sep 5, 2022 12:08
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I like that man's attitude.
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Sep 5, 2022 13:06
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https://twitter.com/jdragsky/status/1566567391533973505 tl;dr: training an art generator on a lot of 19th century art means that it generates art with the same themes that were being explored back then.
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Sep 5, 2022 14:34
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ultrafilter posted:https://twitter.com/jdragsky/status/1566567391533973505 Yeah that was a deeply stupid series of tweets. My least favorite genre of tweets is 'someone explains something really obvious as if it were deeply obscure in 47 tweets'.
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Sep 5, 2022 14:59
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Captain Monkey posted:Yeah that was a deeply stupid series of tweets. My least favorite genre of tweets is 'someone explains something really obvious as if it were deeply obscure in 47 tweets'. There's a really good conversation that should be had about AI/machine learning systems carrying bias because they're programmed by biased sources, trained on biased data, and/or only shown the results of bias being carried out; it's a serious problem and generally reinforces bias in the people that see it because they assume or pretend that a machine couldn't have biases, so it pushes them harder into "this is an uncomfortable truth, not baseless bigotry" territory. This series of tweets ain't that conversation.
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Sep 5, 2022 16:40
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https://twitter.com/Gabino_Iglesias/status/1566789485723062272?s=20&t=9rnjQ6JYQjtk9VOrFsdqjA
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Sep 6, 2022 04:41
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Someone send a messenger to Geralt.
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Sep 6, 2022 12:19
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I should petition to the Unicode consortium to introduce special heavy duty scare quotes to put around ❠AI❞. Just about anything marketed as «AI» has no 'I' in it and the ‹A› is just a big dataset of badly categorised data being fed through a statistical model. It's bias laundering for assholes, a way to obscure assumptions and intentions and turn them into infallible black boxes that can no longer be questioned or interrogated.
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Sep 6, 2022 12:32
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Weird ❠Al❞ Yankovic
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Sep 6, 2022 15:09
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Antigravitas posted:I should petition to the Unicode consortium to introduce special heavy duty scare quotes to put around ❠AI❞. The position makes me think the quotes are highlighting it cheerleader style. Gimme an A! Gimme an I! 
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Sep 6, 2022 15:59
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Antigravitas posted:I should petition to the Unicode consortium to introduce special heavy duty scare quotes to put around ❠AI❞. Why do you use fishbone quotation marks? Are you French?
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Sep 6, 2022 16:53
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Lies. Lies and slander.
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Sep 6, 2022 17:08
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 https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/dogs-poop-in-alignment-with-earths-magnetic-field-study-finds
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Sep 6, 2022 18:06
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Pope Hilarius II posted:Why do you use fishbone quotation marks? Are you French? Mon Dieu!
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Sep 6, 2022 18:17
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Carthag Tuek posted:
we need dogs making GBS threads in a faraday cage STAT
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Sep 6, 2022 20:26
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Sep 7, 2022 02:05
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I wish this was true for your sake, UK peeps
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Sep 7, 2022 02:36
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Mark Twain posted:He said, then have cats. He was sure that a royal family of cats would answer every purpose. They would be as useful as any other royal family, they would know as much, they would have the same virtues and the same treacheries, the same disposition to get up shindies with other royal cats, they would be laughable vain and absurd and never know it, they would be wholly inexpensive, finally, they would have as sound a divine right as any other royal house…The worship of royalty being founded in unreason, these graceful and harmless cats would easily become as sacred as any other royalties, and indeed more so, because it would presently be noticed that they hanged nobody, beheaded nobody, imprisoned nobody, inflicted no cruelties or injustices of any sort, and so must be worthy of a deeper love and reverence than the customary human king, and would certainly get it.
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Sep 7, 2022 03:47
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Interested to see how the EU reacts to their policy of being let in, then being let back out multiple times per day
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Sep 7, 2022 04:13
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Captain Hygiene posted:Interested to see how the EU reacts to their policy of being let in, then being let back out multiple times per day lol
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Sep 7, 2022 06:58
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Probably would do a better job than Boris
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Sep 7, 2022 07:45
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A shoe would do a better job than Boris, let's be honest
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Sep 7, 2022 07:55
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Yeah but they gave the job to Liz Truss, not a cat or a shoe.
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