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MIXED TAG 1 0.33%
FTW TITLE 0 0%
ALL ATLANTIC 3 1.00%
KINGSTON VS ISHII 27 9.03%
CASINO LADDER 2 0.67%
TRIOS TITLE MATCH 42 14.05%
TBS TITLE MATCH 0 0%
FTR/WAR DOG VS MCGM/LETHAL 1 0.33%
STARKS/HOBBS 1 0.33%
TAG TITLE MATCH 187 62.54%
INTERIM WOMENS MATCH 2 0.67%
CHRISTIAN/BOY 4 1.34%
JERICHO/DANIELSON 4 1.34%
STING MATCH 6 2.01%
PUNK/MOX 19 6.35%
Total: 299 votes
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Malcolm Excellent
May 20, 2007

Buglord

sba posted:

If this isn’t a work, you absolutely have to side with the EVPs if you’re Tony, right? If so what the gently caress do you do here

Trade CM Punk to New Japan for Hikulaiu, Taguchi, and a young boy to be named in 2023.

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El Generico
Feb 3, 2009

Birds revere you and consider you one of their own.

You are welcome in their holy places.
BCC vs. House of Black?

1glitch0
Sep 4, 2018

I DON'T GIVE A CRAP WHAT SHE BELIEVES THE HARRY POTTER BOOKS CHANGED MY LIFE #HUFFLEPUFF
I thought I'd be on an island voting for the tag title match for match of the night, but wow, guess we're all on the same wavelength!

Niwrad
Jul 1, 2008

Alaois posted:

thats not even a kayfabe thing thats a "you guys don't deserve to be champions anymore, whats up with that" thing

It's fake. They won a championship because someone told them to and another team played along.

If these aren't meant to be in kayfabe, I think its fair to ask why they didn't go in a different direction for this particular story.

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004
the real hosed up thing is how with all this drama nobody asked about the status of everyone who got wrecked in the mixed tag match

sba
Jul 9, 2001

bae
Also lost in the CM Henderson drama…there were definitely some weird decisions tonight, in regards to outcomes and match lengths…the Hobbs/Starks one was a big WTF to me

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:
https://mobile.twitter.com/FuegoDelSol/status/1566683732668465154

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004

Niwrad posted:

It's fake. They won a championship because someone told them to and another team played along.

If these aren't meant to be in kayfabe, I think its fair to ask why they didn't go in a different direction for this particular story.

wrestlers still have some pride and belts still mean something even if it's pre-decided

it's all indicative of your worth to the company

Seams
Feb 3, 2005

ROCK HARD
The only match I wish went longer/had a different winner was Jade vs Athena.

Malcolm Excellent
May 20, 2007

Buglord

Niwrad posted:

It's fake. They won a championship because someone told them to and another team played along.

If these aren't meant to be in kayfabe, I think its fair to ask why they didn't go in a different direction for this particular story.

Wrestling is real you goober, it's UFC that is fake, and most other MMA too.

Fart Radio
Sep 7, 2010

@Therock hey man check it... You ever kill a man or no? Hit me up. ;)

sba posted:

If this isn’t a work, you absolutely have to side with the EVPs if you’re Tony, right? If so what the gently caress do you do here

convince people to keep things somewhat professional for the sake of making money and pray to god the young bucks don't respond on BTE

JoeRules
Jul 11, 2001
it feels weird that the in-ring work has been so dope lately and yet here i am like "uhhhhh ok well yall call me when you figure poo poo out"

Seams
Feb 3, 2005

ROCK HARD

SamuraiFoochs posted:

I've calmed down enough to at least read a bit and I want to comment on this. Here's the problem. There's loving nothing for Mox to do now with Punk still top face, unless Mox turns heel, which would be loving stupid. Let's see. Jericho? Did it already, and now Bryan is feuding with him. JAS in general? Done to death. BCC feuding with Stoke's boys? That basically just makes the BCC seconds for Punk, which...loving spare me. Mox going back after the title? Not happening for the foreseeable future because now we get the Circlejerk-off Pipebomb Olympics Pt. 2 with Punk and MJF. Tag titles? Nope. That's for The Acclaimed, as it should be. Trios titles? IDK, maybe, I guess.

The way they booked everything on this show and the entire status of where everyone else is RN in AEW guarantees that Mox is JAG for at least the next little bit. Which is fine in the sense that the dude went three loving years without being pinned clean in a singles match. But it reduces my enthusiasm for the AEW product a lot in the immediate future.

Mox gets attacked by The Factory during a backstage promo. He murders them all for a while until it's time to put him back in the main event.

Fart Radio
Sep 7, 2010

@Therock hey man check it... You ever kill a man or no? Hit me up. ;)

just now realizing this is the Nick from the scrum tonight

SamuraiFoochs
Jan 16, 2007




Grimey Drawer

El Generico posted:

BCC vs. House of Black?

Maaaaaybe? Sure seems like Malakai is leaving though. And even then there's more of the BCC than there is of them.

sba
Jul 9, 2001

bae

Seams posted:

The only match I wish went longer/had a different winner was Jade vs Athena.

Yeah that one too…was way short, especially for how long they built it up

Fish Of Doom
Aug 18, 2004
I'm too awake for this to be a nightmare


SamuraiFoochs posted:

I've calmed down enough to at least read a bit and I want to comment on this. Here's the problem. There's loving nothing for Mox to do now with Punk still top face, unless Mox turns heel, which would be loving stupid. Let's see. Jericho? Did it already, and now Bryan is feuding with him. JAS in general? Done to death. BCC feuding with Stoke's boys? That basically just makes the BCC seconds for Punk, which...loving spare me. Mox going back after the title? Not happening for the foreseeable future because now we get the Circlejerk-off Pipebomb Olympics Pt. 2 with Punk and MJF. Tag titles? Nope. That's for The Acclaimed, as it should be. Trios titles? IDK, maybe, I guess.

The way they booked everything on this show and the entire status of where everyone else is RN in AEW guarantees that Mox is JAG for at least the next little bit. Which is fine in the sense that the dude went three loving years without being pinned clean in a singles match. But it reduces my enthusiasm for the AEW product a lot in the immediate future.

They could have him, Claudio, and Wheeler go after the trios titles since he still has unfinished business with Omega, but yes please no more Jericho stuff. I think this summer opened up a lot of people's eyes on Moxley. His first few years and reign were kind of meh, but this last reign is probably the best world title reign in AEW so far, he's really found his character with all of the BCC violence loving weirdo stuff. I would be surprised if he just floated down to the midcard and wallowed around on Dark.

ChrisBTY
Mar 29, 2012

this glorious monument

I've come to realize a few things.

1) I know why I didn't think MJF would be the Joker. Given how he left I thought his comeback would not be in a match. It would be strange to have him just come out and wrestle after all that. I was both right and wrong. In that regard it was an excellent ending to the match. Of course it made everybody else look like woodshop shavings to be swept away by a tide of Stokely Hathaways and his army of idiots but you gotta break a few eggs to have one big moment or something.

2) I wasn't 100% sold on Luchasaurus doing the double-swerve and I realize it's because I thought there was a small chance the story would be that Jungle Boy and Luchasaurus would become increasing unhinged in their pursuit of Cage resulting in a double turn.

3) Powerhouse Hobbs wrestles like he's doing Iso tag. It's worse because there's no hot tag at the end. Turtles gently caress faster than Hobbs does offense. His singles matches are either squashes or endless heat segments with no resolution. Watching him ground Dante Martin for approximately 6 million years combined in their 2 matches was goddamn painful. Watching him do it to Starks was worse because this was supposed to be a big night for both of them.

4) The Acclaimed had the match of the night and I don't know how to deal with that. Where do they go from here? They're not winning the tag titles before FTR and who the hell knows when they're winning it. Who is even the heel tag team FTR wins it from? It has to be a heel team right? Is SioG gonna turn or is LFI or MCM winning it?

5) On one hand; watching the Elite win the titles custom made for them in the tournament that revolved around them for the division that Tony held up until they were healthy is kinda lame even as somebody who loves those guys. On the other hand; for the first time Tony actually booked a tournament well enough that the obvious winner wasn't obvious. Gods help me I thought Silver was gonna pin Kenny with that OWA reversal. I thought Don Callis could screw Kenny over in favor of Will Ospreay. I thought the story might be Kenny came back too early, they lose to LFI and Hangman feels guilty for shooting them down. So good job there.

6) There is nothing wrong with Toni Storm but she is a 3.5 star wrestler in a pool that's 4*s deep on the shallow end.

7) It would appear Jon Moxley was never supposed to be in the title picture. Two weeks ago was a thanks, a validation for holding down the fort, and a pop for the hometown fans. tonight was the re-establishment of the gameplan. This sounds dismissive of Mox's place in the company but we're talking about somebody who just got cleanly pinned in a singles match for the first time in almost 3 years with the company. He's fine.

8) Until Jade loses I will be forced to interpret the TBS title as a vanity title that was minted specifically for her. It's just been her and a conga line of victims with no end in sight. Also she needs to learn to not talk over her drat opponents. Every face in the company has enough trouble getting over on the stick as it is.

ChrisBTY fucked around with this message at 08:30 on Sep 5, 2022

Crapple!
Nov 1, 2019


There's heaps of cool poo poo for Mox to do. Him vs Hangman is still very conspicuously on the table, but you could also put him against Miro or LFI along with the BCC. There's also the hanging thread of how he's the guy stuck between friends who hate each other. It'd be interesting to see him have to choose between Eddie and his stablemates if it ever came down to it. Imagine Mox/Eddie vs Bryan/Claudio

MJeff
Jun 2, 2011

THE LIAR

Niwrad posted:

Why would they be mad about that question?

Their whole goal out there was to go out and elevate the Acclaimed from a midcard act people like to cheer for cause they do fun raps and do fun scissor things to legitimate stars at the top of the tag team division who can move business in a real way.

Asking if they should have called an audible comes with like, some kind of inherent assumption that they weren't accounting for the reaction they got, or that this wasn't their goal from the beginning. Asking if they should've done an audible is just really weirdly disrespectful and dismissive of their work and their future plans for the sake of instant gratification. People are saying "well if the Acclaimed had won, it would've gotten a big pop". Like, no poo poo it would've, that's the point, that's what they were going for.

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:
Wanger was built up to be conquering world champion for the first two years of aew's existence and cm punk is mad he would dare to try to be babyface in their babyface feud. gently caress him so much.

Raeg
Jul 7, 2008

The top 1% of ducks have control of 99.9% of the bread.

El Generico posted:

As far as the Punk/Cabana stuff, I don't have an opinion, it's very personal, it's very he said she said. "It happened a long time ago and it's nobody else's business" is fair. It's like when people try to take sides in celebrity divorces. None of us were there.

As far as the Hangman thing though, I re-watched that promo, and while I do get why it would make Punk upset, especially assuming he's not being honest with us or himself when he acts like the reason is purely business and not emotional, boy is he making a mountain out of a molehill. I don't disagree with the basic point, that the promo is trying make a heel out of him when where we're going is with him as the top babyface champion, so that's counter-productive, but it didn't actually hurt him as a babyface long term. Holding this grudge for this long and then doing an equivalent unplanned promo back at him is petty and childish, even if the reason he's being petty and childish is technically correct.

There's a lot of analogy to the Punk/Hangman situation and the Eddie/Sammy situation. Should Hangman/Sammy have cut that promo that way, especially without running it past the other person first? No. Should Punk/Eddie be super angry about it? No. It was just a promo.

The thing I just don't get and ruined my image of Punk was going into Colt's bank account with him mum. That just felt needless to the point he was making and seemed like straight up bully actions regardless of how justified you think he is about the other things.

Fish Of Doom
Aug 18, 2004
I'm too awake for this to be a nightmare


Tony learned tonight why WWE rarely does media scrums.

Lamuella
Jun 26, 2003

It's like goldy or bronzy, but made of iron.


SamuraiFoochs posted:

Trios titles? IDK, maybe, I guess.

Not gonna lie, a trios team of Mox, Claudio, and Bryan would be tremendous.

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:
You could have elevated the Acclaimed by having them, let me see here, win

Shard
Jul 30, 2005

RealityWarCriminal posted:

Wanger was built up to be conquering world champion for the first two years of aew's existence and cm punk is mad he would dare to try to be babyface in their babyface feud. gently caress him so much.

But did you consider punk has more money than him?

Seams
Feb 3, 2005

ROCK HARD

Fish Of Doom posted:

Tony learned tonight why WWE rarely does media scrums.

Because they’re incredibly entertaining and thus anathema to wwe?

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:
Look, this is a business, we're trying to make money here. that is why Adam page must be subservient to me, cm punk.

El Generico
Feb 3, 2009

Birds revere you and consider you one of their own.

You are welcome in their holy places.

Fish Of Doom posted:

Tony learned tonight why WWE rarely does media scrums.

Either that, or this has drawn tons of attention and Tony will start doing media scrums after the big Dynamites.

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004

Fish Of Doom posted:

Tony learned tonight why WWE rarely does media scrums.

I dunno apart from Punk people were pretty well behaved and sold the show plus the next few

Raeg
Jul 7, 2008

The top 1% of ducks have control of 99.9% of the bread.

El Generico posted:

Either that, or this has drawn tons of attention and Tony will start doing media scrums after the big Dynamites.

AEW will be nothing but messy drama scrums and rebranded Real Wrestlers of Jacksonville and Warner Discovery will give him a billion dollars

I Before E
Jul 2, 2012

On the night where they played a gimmick Tony Khan voicemail to announce that the guy everyone was thinking was on the outs with the company was the new world title challenger I'm going to be a bit skeptical about the shoot status of any comments made on AEW programming

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004
yeah I can't imagine WD hating this reality show-style drama

MJeff
Jun 2, 2011

THE LIAR

RealityWarCriminal posted:

You could have elevated the Acclaimed by having them, let me see here, win

Yeah.

Yeah you can.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AEW_Grand_Slam_(2022)

Oil!
Nov 5, 2008

Der's e'rl in dem der hills!


Ham Wrangler

RandolphCarter posted:

Well I don’t know what to believe anymore

Memory is impressively fallible. What actually happened and what you remember are influenced by so many factors that memory really isn't reliable.

Seams
Feb 3, 2005

ROCK HARD
If the reports about MJF being unhappy in AEW are real it’s very funny to me considering the guy barely works, when he does it’s in a very high profile feud, and he just got a title shot after being away for months without even stepping foot in the ring for the match in which all the other guys tried to kill themselves and each other with ladder spots.

Niwrad
Jul 1, 2008

Crapple! posted:

There's heaps of cool poo poo for Mox to do. Him vs Hangman is still very conspicuously on the table, but you could also put him against Miro or LFI along with the BCC. There's also the hanging thread of how he's the guy stuck between friends who hate each other. It'd be interesting to see him have to choose between Eddie and his stablemates if it ever came down to it. Imagine Mox/Eddie vs Bryan/Claudio

That's midcard stuff for the hottest star in the company. Moxley found something this year that really resonates. Just keep the rocket on him and let him tear it up till it cools down.

JT Smiley
Mar 3, 2006
Thats whats up!
I was there live and just felt like something was off all night. Like I can't even put into words why, I just wasn't feeling this show as much as last years.

Also as someone that was in the United Center and had the time of my life when Punk returned I feel like I've been less and less into him as the year has gone on. I'm not even a Moxley guy and I was rooting for him over Punk.

Ringo Roadagain
Mar 27, 2010

Raeg posted:

The thing I just don't get and ruined my image of Punk was going into Colt's bank account with him mum. That just felt needless to the point he was making and seemed like straight up bully actions regardless of how justified you think he is about the other things.

Yeah it was weird how he brought it up again as if we are supposed to know what having a bank account with your mother says about someone.

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Eat My Fuc
May 29, 2007

Imagine being this angry at a guy named “Colt Cabana”

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