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That's... a really good explanation. Thanks! 
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Spatial posted:It's literally a picture of a real CRT screen lol. is it? i thought it was a filter
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I would say given the weird effects at the edge no that's probably a real CRT. Though obviously ceci ne pas une CRT
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Agents are GO! posted:I like the look of the left, the right looks like poo poo. Nah the CRT looks better actually
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Sep 6, 2022 02:01
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Len posted:none of that is worth having to deal with a crt in 2022 Mr. Fix It posted:is it? i thought it was a filter So kind-of both? OwlFancier posted:Though obviously ceci ne pas une CRT  The Saddest Rhino posted:https://twitter.com/ctznkate/status/1566900517397078016?t=ezuwaslS4dR13MphwS_fMQ&s=19
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Sep 6, 2022 02:08
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I would rather have random twitter user for PM tbh.
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Sep 6, 2022 02:24
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OwlFancier posted:I would rather have random twitter user for PM tbh. What if it's a hex-av-haver?
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 The Austrian artist Gebhard Sengmüller’s 2008 piece “A Parallel Image” presents an example of video without frames. There is a direct wire from each sensor element (photoresistor) to each display element (lightbulb). Recording such an image without reducing it to frames would be a much greater nightmare, of course. https://vimeo.com/143229255
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Neito posted:What if it's a hex-av-haver? no worse than a lateral move, p sure
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Spatial posted:It's literally a picture of a real CRT screen lol. I don't think it is, I think it's a filter. But even if it is, a digital photograph of a crt reproduced on a computer screen is not an accurate representation of what it looked like on a crt. I'm not saying crts are these magical beautiful artifacts that made everything better, I'm saying poo poo looked different on them and it's hard to reproduce that accurately.
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Skwirl posted:I don't think it is, I think it's a filter. But even if it is, a digital photograph of a crt reproduced on a computer screen is not an accurate representation of what it looked like on a crt. also gotta factor in you're supposed to be a 1.5-2.5m away on the couch when looking at 'em
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Skwirl posted:I don't think it is, I think it's a filter. But even if it is, a digital photograph of a crt reproduced on a computer screen is not an accurate representation of what it looked like on a crt. Some CRT shaders can do a really close job, but at that point you’re like, doing sub-pixel calculations to simulate aperture grills and poo poo. Most people are just likely to be lazy and go “round the corners and make every other line a little darker idk”.
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Skwirl posted:I don't think it is, I think it's a filter. https://twitter.com/CRTpixels/status/1408451743214616587
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mind the walrus posted:According to the video it's from, it's original console hardware and cable connection plugged into a RetroTINK5x Pro which appears to be a $300 box you can use as a filter (e.g: much more technical and involved than the "CRT Filter" you'll find in $10 indie games on Steam and in retro games emulator collections). That screenshot is notorious and actually comes from CRTPixels (edit: dammit), a twitter account that is chronically wrong and regularly attributes things to some sort of CRT magic that can be more accurately attributed to "composite is really loving blurry". It's a photo of a TV, specifically a Sony KV-13M51, with the PS1 connected via composite. the majority of the effect, especially the eyes, comes from horizontal blurring due to how composite signals work- vertically it's somewhat sharp, but horizontally everything gets smeared. here's the effect on my lovely HDTV, with the game running in an emulator on my Xbox, connected over composite, no filters  e: you know, "chronically wrong" is hosed up and I take that back, "regularly misused by people as a citation for why you should buy a CRT to play sonic" is more accurate dreamin of semen has a new favorite as of 02:51 on Sep 6, 2022 |
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…teeth??? I mean I guess but I thought that was his lower lip. In either case, “added clarity” my rear end.
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Sep 6, 2022 02:46
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Well that looks like smeared rear end and the CRT one looks nice, so
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Dewgy posted:…teeth??? the teeth part is definitely reading too much into it, that sprite is drawn over an illustration where the mouth is closed https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/castlevania/images/5/51/DracSymph.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20200703143712
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I don't understand why other people don't understand the very fact that we are looking at this through our computer screen or phone means we are seeing a fundamentally different thing than what people would have seen playing castlevania on an actual crt television. And again, I'm not saying one is better or worse, I'm saying it's different.
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lol drac dialog box is what like a few mins? people play castlvania because theres kicking rad music while you try to grind out enemies drops.
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I am the real hero of this derail because I actually have 3 CRTs hooked up in my house right now but I'm choosing to let this conversation drop.
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I do miss the degauss button. I think there's a website that will emulate it for you
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HopperUK posted:I do miss the degauss button. I think there's a website that will emulate it for you I had a big old DEC monitor that ran an automatic degauss every time you switched it on. That thing was so heavy my desk noticeably sagged under the weight.
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You gotta let it run for a while and not touch it so it really builds up and then CLONGGGG
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OwlFancier posted:You gotta let it run for a while and not touch it so it really builds up and then CLONGGGG Coolest drat sound in the world to ten-year-old me.
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It never got old reaching over to whoever was sitting next to you in the school's computer lab or library and hitting 'em with the ol' degauss.
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Skwirl posted:I don't understand why other people don't understand the very fact that we are looking at this through our computer screen or phone means we are seeing a fundamentally different thing than what people would have seen playing castlevania on an actual crt television. And again, I'm not saying one is better or worse, I'm saying it's different.  This is not “The Treachery of Images”.
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dreamin of semen posted:That screenshot is notorious and actually comes from CRTPixels (edit: dammit), a twitter account that is chronically wrong and regularly attributes things to some sort of CRT magic that can be more accurately attributed to "composite is really loving blurry". It's a photo of a TV, specifically a Sony KV-13M51, with the PS1 connected via composite. OK so you are saying the effect doesn't actually come from the big glass tube and electron gun, it comes from a blur in the crappy analog signal input that controls the electron gun. But... those are still parts of the same appliance. Would you be happier of people were saying "a 90s TV" or "an analog TV" instead of "a CRT TV"? Cus those are all basically the same thing. And of course the nature of the technology affects how blur will show itself too. Since it works though scanlines, going across the screen drawing one horizontal line at a time, a temporal blur in the analog signal will result in a mostly-horizontal blur on the screen as opposed to the sort of 360-degree "gaussian blur" effect you'd see in photoshop. And a blurry signal is only possible in the first place if it is an analog device like a CRT, which uses a continual electronic signal over the wire to control the electron gun instead of discrete digital bits and bytes like an LCD or LED display. Your HDTV has a pretty visually different blur effect, because instead of directly controlling the output that blurry signal is getting passed through an analog-to-digital converter and turning into "clean" square pixels, and then it passes that pixel data perfectly and losslessly to the screen. (The pixels are the wrong color, but they're all still perfect* squares with exactly one color each). e: * they aren't actually perfect, in this extreme closeup you can actually see the separate r/g/b subpixels which are in slightly different horizontal positions within the pixel, which is why the image looks all gross and color banded with vertical rainbow stripes. but you can't see those from farther away RPATDO_LAMD has a new favorite as of 05:05 on Sep 6, 2022 |
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Platystemon posted:
Cross posting from the Fan Art thread:
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CRT lines and blurriness helped make those blocky-rear end pixel fonts a lot more readable, too. Modern games that try to mimic that style forget this and so have huge swathes of near-unreadable text. 
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I shudder to recall how many hours ten-year-old me sunk into copying the blurrily printed-out screenshots of Mega Man characters from Nintendo Power onto graph paper so I could transfer them into 816 Paint on the school's Apple IIgs'es and then blow them up to 2x2 and 4x4 pixel versions and smooth them out and turn them into high-resolution detailed versions Now we spend whole careers and thousands of dollars on getting the blurriness back
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Skwirl posted:I don't think it is, I think it's a filter. But even if it is, a digital photograph of a crt reproduced on a computer screen is not an accurate representation of what it looked like on a crt.   It's true it doesn't look exactly the same on a monitor. Although I bet you could get it exactly right on a more capable display like an OLED.
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Guys they’re little video game pictures. Wtf cares?
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Scratch Monkey posted:Guys they’re little video game pictures. Wtf cares? This is all they have
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Mods please change my name to Cassandra Ray Tube.
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So this is why Republicans were trying to warn us about the dangers of CRT.
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Cock and rall torture.
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SulfurMonoxideCute posted:Cock and rall torture. Having to deal with Ted Rall would be torture.
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