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It’s hardly a challenge to disrupt the functioning of institutions if your target is the United States, a country that has enthusiastically undermined and hollowed out its institutions for the last 50 years. Rush Limbaugh did all the groundwork for those russian facebook ads 30 years ago.
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Reagan, Gingrich and Limbaugh are basically the unholy trinity of evil for why the US is completely hosed at this point. Anything Russia has done is pretty much a drop in the bucket compared to what those guys did. Hell, if it wasn't for Gingrich kicking off the "politics of hatred" that define the current GOP, it's hard to imagine Russian ad buys succeeding.
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The thing with Assange specifically wasn't the ad buys, it was the DNC hack, which basically turned into a Rorscach test where some people decided that the important thing was the airing of the DNC's dirty laundry about knifing Bernie or whatever, and other people deciding that the important thing was that a foreign country was trying to help elect a staggeringly unqualified senile moron by giving them the one-sided advantage of illegally-obtained internal communications.
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Endymion FRS MK1 posted:I started watching SunnyV2 a couple months ago because I find “what ever happened to so-and-so YouTuber” an interesting subject. I forget which video it was but I had a tinge of “is this guy alt right?” during one. I watched some more with that frame and yeah it’s subtle but definitely there yeah it's honestly kind of a shame cause the guy's content is pretty interesting
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Twelve by Pies posted:Reagan, Gingrich and Limbaugh are basically the unholy trinity of evil for why the US is completely hosed at this point. Anything Russia has done is pretty much a drop in the bucket compared to what those guys did. Hell, if it wasn't for Gingrich kicking off the "politics of hatred" that define the current GOP, it's hard to imagine Russian ad buys succeeding. We had a discussion about this in usce the other day and realistically this can be traced back further than that even. It doesn't mean the Russia ad buys or the DNC hack weren't significant. It was in fact very shrewd and targeted messaging that worked very well at poisoning the well between Bernie/Hillary people ("Bernie bros" as a phenomenon for instance was revealed to be a largely bot driven effort by likely Russian troll farms iirc, but that poo poo is still getting trotted out on twitter by angry sad libs). And on the other side they were able to fan the flames of the lock her up stuff while Hillary was absolutely running a dogshit campaign. People can say it was a "drop in the bucket" I guess if you're just going to pull back the way bigger picture and go "well man we're already slaves to capitalism so whateeeeever" then so be it, but it's not inconceivable that these little pushes were all it took. Anything goes slightly different and 2016 changes dramatically. The pumps being primed for years does not absolve the person who decides to throw the lit match as it were. I'm not going to argue that it was the biggest deal in the midst of a massive pile of media poo poo, but I can't really truck with the argument that russiagate was a big fat nothingburger.
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Less Fat Luke posted:YouTube Premium, especially with the super cheap family pass that let me register five other accounts, is very worth it. I'm happy to pay for no ads, and the normal YouTube recommendations are pretty good. My buddy put me on his family plan/pass whatever and it's great. I just have to fake gps my phone every few months to keep using youtube tv. Only now if I forget alter calendar events all my friends who are also on the pass get my doctors appointment alerts and stuff like that.
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Professor Beetus posted:We had a discussion about this in usce the other day and realistically this can be traced back further than that even. Honestly in the US the crippling of the American state seems to always tie back to white supremacy. Whether it was the lead-up to the civil war, the sabotage of reconstruction, the implementation of Jim Crow or the modern backlash to the Civil Rights Movement including the acceleration caused by The First Black President, every time it's been channelling the fury of white voters into destructive policy even if that policy ends up hitting those very white voters by the time the CRA was signed - see Jacksonville's current water problem and its direct correlation to the city being 80% black since desegregation was fully enforced. In terms of right-wing media, it would be trite in this thread to quote it but the Lee Atwater doctrine is the driver. Reagan was more subtle about it (and he wasn't subtle), Gingrich and Limbaugh less so. All three of them built off the legacy of the white supremacy apparatus, particularly the one that Nixon's moral majority perfected.
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Tesseraction posted:Honestly in the US the crippling of the American state seems to always tie back to white supremacy. Whether it was the lead-up to the civil war, the sabotage of reconstruction, the implementation of Jim Crow or the modern backlash to the Civil Rights Movement including the acceleration caused by The First Black President, every time it's been channelling the fury of white voters into destructive policy even if that policy ends up hitting those very white voters by the time the CRA was signed - see Jacksonville's current water problem and its direct correlation to the city being 80% black since desegregation was fully enforced. Jackson's water problem
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OneEightHundred posted:The thing with Assange specifically wasn't the ad buys, it was the DNC hack, which basically turned into a Rorscach test where some people decided that the important thing was the airing of the DNC's dirty laundry about knifing Bernie or whatever, and other people deciding that the important thing was that a foreign country was trying to help elect a staggeringly unqualified senile moron by giving them the one-sided advantage of illegally-obtained internal communications. The ROI on the ad buys was so high because they (the IRA) were using data that Cambridge Analytica stole from FB and did further analysis of. I was an Assange defender myself, until I worked out that guccifer2.0 planted the false narrative that Seth Rich was Julian's source. Working backwards from there, it seems as though the 'purpose' of Rich's murder - was to pin a body on Hillary right before the election. Also, I started seriously mistrusting Greenwald at that point (2017). Oh, also, guccifer turned out to GRU agents. And Putin murdered a whole lotta people in the weeks surrounding Seth's death. Dunno if goosey-two did the DNC hack hisself (actually it's a team of two) Basically, declassify the unredacted mueller report already Uglycat fucked around with this message at 11:14 on Sep 6, 2022 |
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BiggerBoat posted:Jackson's water problem drat it. I keep doing that. I might have Floridabrain.
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Endymion FRS MK1 posted:I started watching SunnyV2 a couple months ago because I find “what ever happened to so-and-so YouTuber” an interesting subject. I forget which video it was but I had a tinge of “is this guy alt right?” during one. I watched some more with that frame and yeah it’s subtle but definitely there I had that same tingle recently with one of his videos and I've sort of taken him off the watchlist. I think it was his Amy Schumer video - I'm not her biggest fan of her comedy either but I felt like all his points were just picked right out of MRA.txt or something. My son is 13 and just full of hormones and absolutely ripe for radicalization so we have a lot of conversations about what he's doing online and how. It's so easy for someone like SunnyV2 to slip in through the cracks and pave the way for someone far more malicious if I'm not paying attention.
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https://twitter.com/abughazalehkat/status/1567144976135471105 Love that the first bullet point on "What The Left Says" is "owned slaves" for every person, like maybe there's something there guys
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They say he was against cancel culture and yet he and his merry men CANCELLED King George.
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Piell posted:https://twitter.com/abughazalehkat/status/1567144976135471105
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Do they think Franklin just straight up invented electricity? Like he flew his kite, and said, hey world, check out this brand new thing I made?
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Hobnob posted:Do they think Franklin just straight up invented electricity? Like he flew his kite, and said, hey world, check out this brand new thing I made? yes, just like they probably think that Jefferson invented the electric light as a concept.
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Hobnob posted:Do they think Franklin just straight up invented electricity? Like he flew his kite, and said, hey world, check out this brand new thing I made? Like a modern-day Prometheus, he flew his kite and stole the power of lightning from the heavens.
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Hobnob posted:Do they think Franklin just straight up invented electricity? Like he flew his kite, and said, hey world, check out this brand new thing I made? Unfortunately this idea is extremely stuck in the American subconscious
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Benjamin Franklin Accomplishments: Invented MILFs: "All cats are grey in the dark..."
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Ubersandwich posted:Benjamin Franklin Sadly, Franklin didn't invent that concept; he was quoting an earlier 18th century horndog, Phillipe the Duc d'Orleans, regent to King Louis XV.
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Hobnob posted:invented electricity this is a bit of a tangent, but something I realised the other day is that capitalism gets a lot of credit for all these inventions and stuff, but so many discoveries came from just genuine scientific curiosity, rather than profit-seeking. If Henry Cavendish hadn't done his meticulous drawings of the Torpedo Fish, then Alesandro Volta wouldn't have figured out how to make a battery. If they both had to worry about money instead, we probably wouldn't have electricity as we know it. Not only is capitalism not essential for invention, often it can actively stymie it.
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Bucky Fullminster posted:this is a bit of a tangent, but something I realised the other day is that capitalism gets a lot of credit for all these inventions and stuff, but so many discoveries came from just genuine scientific curiosity, rather than profit-seeking. If Henry Cavendish hadn't done his meticulous drawings of the Torpedo Fish, then Alesandro Volta wouldn't have figured out how to make a battery. If they both had to worry about money instead, we probably wouldn't have electricity as we know it. I don't remeber who said it but someone once said "I'm less concerned with the weight of Einstein's brain, when I know people of similar skill have died in fields and factories" Edit: vvvvv that's it, thank you. I think about that quote a lot. Meatball fucked around with this message at 17:20 on Sep 6, 2022 |
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Meatball posted:I don't remeber who said it but someone once said "I'm less concerned with the weight of Einstein's brain, when I know people of similar skill have died in fields and factories" It was biologist Stephen Jay Gould, "I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops."
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Bucky Fullminster posted:Not only is capitalism not essential for invention, often it can actively stymie it. And much of what capitalism "invents" is rather useless in the grand scheme of things. As my buddy likes to joke, "but without capitalism, Mark Cuban would never have invented internet radio."
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Sadly, Franklin didn't invent that concept; he was quoting an earlier 18th century horndog, Phillipe the Duc d'Orleans, regent to King Louis XV. This is woke revisionism, somehow  Edit: Coulda sworn I typed woke Dr Christmas fucked around with this message at 05:54 on Sep 7, 2022 |
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Dr Christmas posted:This is some revisionism, somehow The hellfire club he attended in London was also a copy of an earlier version inaugurated by the Duke of Wharton in the seventeen-teens.
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Piell posted:https://twitter.com/abughazalehkat/status/1567144976135471105 does ""the left"" even hate franklin? does anyone? i dont know anyone who hates him. also henry didnt do dick outside of VA really outside that speech and another where he poo poo on the constitutional convention. also most of the founders as lovely as many were, probably would have hated the chuds for being moronic boot licks cultists. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Sep 6, 2022 |
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Dapper_Swindler posted:does ""the left"" even hate franklin? does anyone? i dont know anyone who hates him. also henry didnt do dick outside of VA really outside that speech and another where he poo poo on the constitutional convention. also most of the founders as lovely as many were, probably would have hated the chuds for being moronic boot licks cultists. And honestly, even hatred is often not the emotion felt. The founding fathers did some good things. A large number of them also owned people as property and did horrific things to their slaves. It's important to acknowledge that they are flawed people whose word is not infallible. Hell, they even said as much themselves, and specifically wrote the constitution in a way that it could be rewritten. It's a very frustrating thing to run into - this very black and white way of thinking where something is either the purest good, or the purest evil, and there's absolutely no middle ground. It works really well to polarize people though, so I understand why these media assholes keep pushing it so much.
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Ben Franklin hosed, I can’t possibly hate him
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FlamingLiberal posted:Ben Franklin hosed, I can’t possibly hate him 
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Dirk the Average posted:And honestly, even hatred is often not the emotion felt. The founding fathers did some good things. A large number of them also owned people as property and did horrific things to their slaves. It's important to acknowledge that they are flawed people whose word is not infallible. Hell, they even said as much themselves, and specifically wrote the constitution in a way that it could be rewritten. same. i find them interesting men but i hate the weird cult around them. i get "civil religion" and even like parts of it but i hate the weird purity poo poo when its applied to history(either pure good or evil) i think your supposed to teach both and be honest about the bad actions but also the good and all that. also i mean the "the left" as how the chuds were accusing. i like franklin and adams personally and Morison.
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Yeah, I feel it’s more of a thing where they can be viewed through the eyes of history doing good and bad things, but when it comes to solving the problems of today one side keeps saying we can’t do it because of the founding fathers, which leads to that result. Especially since the opposite is the GOP treating the founding fathers like a monolith who always agreed and never fought with or hated each other.
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bobjr posted:Yeah, I feel it’s more of a thing where they can be viewed through the eyes of history doing good and bad things, but when it comes to solving the problems of today one side keeps saying we can’t do it because of the founding fathers, which leads to that result. yeah. history is like now except either worse or better depending on factors and context. they arnt gods, they are human and just as hosed up as we are. i am sure franklin would jerk off to porn online too.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I had a lot of issues with the game Bioshock Infinite, but the part that shows how this society worships the Founding Fathers as gods and also throws in Christianity on top of that really feels timeless in terms of how the Right sees them yeah parts of that game click really well and then other parts just really really don't.
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I feel like I’m going to have to post CNN stuff in this thread a lot more going forward https://twitter.com/ranaforny/status/1567192649622499331?s=46&t=j3ufZ34XVY1nXo2hHK5f4Q
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FlamingLiberal posted:I had a lot of issues with the game Bioshock Infinite, but the part that shows how this society worships the Founding Fathers as gods and also throws in Christianity on top of that really feels timeless in terms of how the Right sees them Fun fact I played that game for the first time on the morning of Jan 6. I thought reality was breaking until I realized it was just my stupid country. I will also never forget that time Fox used imagery from the game to illustrate some point they were making with 0 self awareness.
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SwingShift posted:Fun fact I played that game for the first time on the morning of Jan 6. I thought reality was breaking until I realized it was just my stupid country. I will also never forget that time Fox used imagery from the game to illustrate some point they were making with 0 self awareness. For the record: https://www.polygon.com/2014/7/3/5867505/fox-news-bioshock-infinte-irrational-games 
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