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Cream-of-Plenty posted:I always figured Peter Parker was Catholic because his name reminds me of Parker Posey and Parker Posey is Catholic. That would make me think he was from Mississippi, and his dad owned a car lot
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Grendels Dad posted:This Spider-Jew is a MENACE! J Jonah Jameson canceled.
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Bust Rodd posted:https://twitter.com/danslott/status/1494347667333394436?s=21&t=-1ej64XktqSpqHikKqHi0A Is this some new definition of coding I don't understand, where a character is suggested to be one thing while in the same breath explicitly said not to be?
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Sep 7, 2022 06:26
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To my mind fascism isn’t just about simple power, it’s about the elimination of “weakness” (feminine, queer, racially impure, sexually liberal, disabled). Superheroes are not inherently fascist just for being powerful. Where some depictions of them get fashy is with the idea that you can solve crime by punching it. Like crime is just degeneracy and deserves no mercy, this is where Frank Miller stuff starts feeling kind of gross on how much relish it wallows in criminals as sick-filth. And it’s what makes Roschrach extremely fash, the way he draws a direct line between criminality, sexual degeneracy and the collapse of national identity. Modern superhero stories tend to shy away from that though. Not even Batman really does the going out to beat up street criminals thing much. To do that often means using supervillains as a threat, or other supes going rogue or similar. The central joke in the Boys is that since super crime isn’t really a thing the only real use for superpowers in real life is as an arm of the corporate/military/police. massive spider fucked around with this message at 16:34 on Sep 7, 2022 |
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Sep 7, 2022 06:32
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Open Source Idiom posted:Is this some new definition of coding I don't understand, where a character is suggested to be one thing while in the same breath explicitly said not to be? What is an example of coding more in line with what you think it means?
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Sep 7, 2022 07:31
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Cpt_Obvious posted:IMO the fascistic element is not the idea that power is held by the few, that's just reality. Lots of people are superior to others in one way or another. Michael Phelps is an intrinsically superior super man at swimming. Does that matter? Does it confer moral superiority or more of a right to life? Power is the “is”, but what is the “ought”? That’s where superheroes and fascism diverge.
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Sep 7, 2022 10:20
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Captain Oblivious posted:Lots of people are superior to others in one way or another. Michael Phelps is an intrinsically superior super man at swimming. Does that matter? Does it confer moral superiority or more of a right to life? Power is the “is”, but what is the “ought”? That’s where superheroes and fascism diverge. No, that's exactly where they don't diverge. Fascism conflates physical superiority with ethical superiority: might makes right. If Michael Phelps decided that the superior physical gifts which make him a great swimmer in and of themselves gave him the right to fight crime, then he'd be the Deep. But more importantly he'd also be a fascist. If you're wondering how this is different to someone like Superman or Peter Parker, remember that neither of them believes that it is their right to fight crime simply because they have powers. They were both given a duty of care by their adopted fathers. They have doubts, and sometimes they'd rather lay the burden down.
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Sep 7, 2022 11:06
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Peter Parker explicitly believes it’s his right and duty to fight crime because of his powers. That’s what “with great power comes great responsibility” means. The fact that it was told to him by his uncle isn’t really relevant to the broader ethos. Also it’s not hard to imagine a fascist who occasionally “has doubts, wants to put the burden [of purging the undesirables] down” but continues soldiering on and doing fascist stuff. That’s pretty much the dude in Man in the High Castle if I recall. Having doubts about an ethos doesent change the ethos either. massive spider fucked around with this message at 12:57 on Sep 7, 2022 |
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Sep 7, 2022 12:50
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Imo superheroes are the American fantasy of sufficiently targeted violence
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Captain Oblivious posted:Lots of people are superior to others in one way or another. Michael Phelps is an intrinsically superior super man at swimming. Does that matter? Does it confer moral superiority or more of a right to life? Power is the “is”, but what is the “ought”? That’s where superheroes and fascism diverge. Ok but that's the thing, super heroes are written as morally superior. They fight bad people and act as deciders of good vs evil. That's the whole "hero" side of it. Also don't agree that Michael Phelps is "superior" to anyone but that's just 
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Sep 7, 2022 16:23
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Phelps has a longer than average wingspan which absolutely does give him an advantage in terms of swimming, even if you don’t want to use the word “superior” there
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Sep 7, 2022 16:29
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being good at swimming isn't impressive or superior. you're basically never swimming, and when you are it doesn't really matter how good or bad you are at it. It doesn't even benefit anyone, if everyone could swim as good as Phelps and the world would have all the same problems. hopefully this puts a stop to people bragging about their movement underwater.
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Sep 7, 2022 16:52
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being a really good swimmer is exactly like being an unstoppable avatar of violence the likes of a mythical god
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Sep 7, 2022 17:02
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I went swimming in the same pool as Michael Phelps and he zipped past me real fast and splashed water in my eyes, laughing cruelly as he did so
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Sep 7, 2022 17:11
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Wheeee posted:being a really good swimmer is exactly like being an unstoppable avatar of violence the likes of a mythical god Hawkeye parachute account spotted
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Sep 7, 2022 17:14
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Khanstant posted:being good at swimming isn't impressive or superior. you're basically never swimming, and when you are it doesn't really matter how good or bad you are at it. It doesn't even benefit anyone, if everyone could swim as good as Phelps and the world would have all the same problems. hopefully this puts a stop to people bragging about their movement underwater. False. If we could all swim like Phelps we could simply live in an underwater
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Sep 7, 2022 17:41
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massive spider posted:Peter Parker explicitly believes it’s his right and duty to fight crime because of his powers. That’s what “with great power comes great responsibility” means. The fact that it was told to him by his uncle isn’t really relevant to the broader ethos. It's difficult to imagine how anyone could be this wrong, but here we are. When Peter first gets his powers he decides to use them to get famous and make money. He literally lets a thief go because he doesn't see fighting crime as his problem. And if that thief hadn't gone on to kill Ben Parker then Peter might never have fought crime, because it's that loss which teaches him to take responsibility.
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Ok but that's the thing, super heroes are written as morally superior. They fight bad people and act as deciders of good vs evil. That's the whole "hero" side of it. I haven't followed modern comics in a long time so can you give me an example of a superhero defending the weak from the powerful that's actually immoral and bad? Because having the ability to enforce morality as an independent vigilante doesn't inherently make someone an evil fascist
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Sep 7, 2022 18:35
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Elephant Ambush posted:I haven't followed modern comics in a long time so can you give me an example of a superhero defending the weak from the powerful that's actually immoral and bad? Batman, canonically, beats crazy people into bloody pulps, often in the rain, under the auspices of protecting the innocent from the cruel dregs of Gotham City, when the truth is simply that Bruce Wayne could turn the city around with his philanthropy more than he ever could change it with his Muay Thai wrist grabs and utility belts. He’s literally shaping the world through violence, despite essentially having all the powers of a politician or legislator who could enact meaningful systemic change. Like imagine if Superman were also The President, that’s basically the power Bruce Wayne has over Gotham.
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Sep 7, 2022 18:50
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Swimming like Phelps is a superpower because you can eat burgers and fries all day and not gain any weight
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Jedit posted:It's difficult to imagine how anyone could be this wrong, but here we are. When Peter first gets his powers he decides to use them to get famous and make money. He literally lets a thief go because he doesn't see fighting crime as his problem. And if that thief hadn't gone on to kill Ben Parker then Peter might never have fought crime, because it's that loss which teaches him to take responsibility. I am aware of this yes I have seen the 15 or whatever movies, that’s the instructional lesson of how he arrived at his ethos, but that’s not really relevant in assessing the ethos. He has great power and therefore great responsibility. it’s the fact that he CAN do something which provides the moral imperative to do something. You are correct that this is not inherently evidence that he’s fascist. But just pointing out that -because he gets his morals from his dead uncle and he gets sad about it is a weak argument. The actual aphorism his uncle gave was one about the responsibility of the strong to use their strength. Peter is strong therefore he must fight crime. There’s no ethical difference between him and the hypothetical crime fighting Michael Phelps except for a dead uncle.
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Ok but that's the thing, super heroes are written as morally superior. They fight bad people and act as deciders of good vs evil. That's the whole "hero" side of it. And isn't The Boys just trying to say that while that's a nice fantasy, human nature probably would stand in the way of that?
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massive spider posted:I am aware of this yes I have seen the 15 or whatever movies, that’s the instructional lesson of how he arrived at his ethos, but that’s not really relevant in assessing the ethos. I don't think the 'great responsibility' means what you think it means. It's a responsibility to use that power morally. Not to use it for self-interested purposes, etc. That is, don't use it like a fascist. For example, if you were so physically powerful that just brushing by someone on the sidewalk might hurt them, then you have a great responsibility to be very careful about walking around other people. That's what the aphorism means. Not that you have a responsibility to go be a vigilante.
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Michael Phelps gets brought up kind of a lot these days because of all the horseshit surrounding trans people in sports so I recently discovered that multiple medical papers have been written about how his unique physiology and a rare genetic mutation combined to create a once in a generation athlete, with other examples of this being Shaquille O’Neil or Andre the Giant. Some people are quite literally physically superior due to their inherent genetic gifts, and as a result what we might consider a “calling” to their career might simply be a case of being priced into a certain career path, like how something like 25% of adults over 7 feet tall end up in the NBA (a probably fake statistic I learned in college 12 years ago and have never checked). If you’re just genetically better at long swimming strokes and don’t need to breathe as much as other people, then going into swimming as a career makes sense. I think it sort of breaks down metaphorically to compare them to superheroes because super heroism isn’t a career and offers no material rewards, almost by design. One of the reasons The Boys is so effective is because it really fleshes out the financial side of modern super heroes which almost by itself flips the whole thing in its head and makes it all seem crass and gross.
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Sep 8, 2022 02:12
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I believe the stat is that around 12% of 7 footers alive in the US have played in the NBA. Probably a shitload more played college ball.
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Bust Rodd posted:.lSo I mean if you can PROVE that he’s not Jewish go ahead, but me and the thousands of other Jews who recognize him as being like us will continue to have one cool Jewish superhero, thank you. Kitty Pryde?
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Sep 8, 2022 03:41
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You mean this Kitty Pryde?
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Kitty "I love the n-word" Pryde edit ^ lol AJA fucked around with this message at 03:56 on Sep 8, 2022 |
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Sep 8, 2022 03:53
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Lol holy poo poo.
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Sep 8, 2022 03:53
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Time to break this up to bring another kind of drama going on https://twitter.com/therealKripke/status/1567609709154430976 Some fans(chuds) are being problematic to Erin Moriarty https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1567350671002800128 The ones being lovely probably still think Homelander is the good guy.
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Sep 8, 2022 04:48
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Of course he's the good guy, he's the main hero and he says what we're all thinking. He tells it like it is, he's going to run Vought like a business.
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christmas boots posted:You mean this Kitty Pryde? This is why the PYF "media which didn't age well" thread has the subtitle "More like Kitty Prejudice!"
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I really wish more showrunners had the balls to tell their toxic fans to eat poo poo and gently caress off. Good for Kripke, he sure knows his way around a toxic fanbase, that’s for sure.
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Sep 8, 2022 06:59
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kitty pryde worldwide
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I remember reading that comic the month it came out and thinking "Marvel let that one through huh"
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lmao at le epic bacon racist clapback
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Kilson posted:
I mean that is literally what he does with it. The lesson isn’t one about hiding away as to avoid hurting people, as your example is. It’s about actively going out and trying to stop bad people, because a bad person hurt his uncle. Vigilantism. Yea there is an unspoken imperative to use the power “well” but then we’re getting into the ethics of what it means to use power well and how a vigilante gets to decide that just by virtue of being a special guy. The 2019 spider-man movie had his great power literally being drone strikes. Hollands Spider-Man suit has an “instant kill” mode. Now obviously spider man is probably not a fascist, but I’m saying if were talking about superheroes and fascism he isnt a great counter example just because he hes nice, and we probably need a better definition of fascism to pin down why. Fascism isn’t just about being self serving, fascists can see themselves as working on behalf of society. I return again to the example of Oppenheimer Smith, the fascist who is sincerely “doing his duty” for what he sees as the greater good. Or the KKks seeing themselves as masked vigilantes protecting society, which Alan Moore has noted. massive spider fucked around with this message at 09:50 on Sep 8, 2022 |
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Sep 8, 2022 09:22
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Fascism. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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You heard it here boys, Spiderman is a Fascist. He's literally Hitler guuuuys
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Spider-Man never tells anyone how to live or what to believe or even really tries to get them to change, he literally only stops people from hurting others. Defending the weak from the strong and violent isn’t fascism. There is no greater push to force the world to adopt his worldview, which seems like the lynchpin of fascism.
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