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Larryb posted:Apparently Repliforce stuck around in some capacity despite their attempted coup as Spiral Pegasus and I think Burn Dinorex from X5 are members of the group and they get mentioned directly in the Japanese versions of both X6 and X7 (though for some reason in both cases said mention got translated in the English version as “Reploids”)
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MonsterEnvy posted:Yeah Copy X's decent into evil was basically him going "Hmm Neo Arcadia is running out of energy, and we are still constantly producing Reploids who consume a lot of it. But I can't slow production for these new Reploids cause that will make the lives of the humans harder. Oh I know, there are millions of Reploid civilians around that are not doing anything important, lets just start retiring them so they will stop consuming energy. If I say they are mavericks no one will question getting rid of them." As an additional detail, Ciel solves all this offscreen between Z2 and Z3, but it ends up not mattering because of Weil coming back. (And it creates more problems later because Slither Inc. in ZX monopolizes the tech, if memory serves. People really, really gotta stop ditching their old tech. Ciel's presumed alive at the time even so she doesn't even have the usual excuse of being dead!) Tallgeese fucked around with this message at 20:08 on Sep 6, 2022 |
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Tallgeese posted:As an additional detail, Ciel solves all this offscreen between Z2 and Z3, but it ends up not mattering because of Weil coming back. Well Ciel was working on solving the problem in Z2. Cause Copy X is gone Neo Arcadia's administration won't be randomly declaring people Mavericks to get rid of them, as the Guardians were unaware of that. Ciel hopes to present the new energy system as a peace offering so their group won't have to fight Neo Arcadia anymore cause it still considers them Mavericks. In Z3 Ciel completed the system and was in negotiations with Neo Arcadia to give it to them. Then the Weil stuff started and Copy X MK II came around, blew up a human civilian district cause it was easier then searching it, and then tried to extort Ciel for the new energy system. MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 23:08 on Sep 6, 2022 |
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From what I understand it's thought Mk. 2 is actually the same Copy X, just DNA Resurrected Berkana/Gate style. Except Weil apparently sucks at it compared to them. Or he deliberately screwed it up. Hard to say. I don't really recall at this point where that revival part is said.
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Tallgeese posted:From what I understand it's thought Mk. 2 is actually the same Copy X, just DNA Resurrected Berkana/Gate style. Except Weil apparently sucks at it compared to them. Or he deliberately screwed it up. Hard to say. The whole point was bringing back Copy X to cement his own authority and then show Zero and the resistance killing the revered leader and hero of Neo Arcadia. Why bother making a perfect copy?
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chumbler posted:The whole point was bringing back Copy X to cement his own authority and then show Zero and the resistance killing the revered leader and hero of Neo Arcadia. Why bother making a perfect copy? It's just weird that the other two (EDIT: whoops no, three) we definitely know got revived have no speech problems, is all.
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chumbler posted:The whole point was bringing back Copy X to cement his own authority and then show Zero and the resistance killing the revered leader and hero of Neo Arcadia. Why bother making a perfect copy? Also if I understand correctly the citizens of Neo Arcadia were not actually informed of Copy X's first defeat so as you said Weil brought him back explicitly for that purpose (I think he also implanted a bomb in Mk 2's body to make sure of this)
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There's not much to suggest that Weil is that skilled of a mad scientist (relatively speaking). His modus operandi is to commandeer and suborn other peoples tech, whether that's the Mother Elf, Zero's original body, or the myriad of doomsday machines Neo Arcadia kept mothballed. Even biometal W was mostly Dr. Albert, iirc.
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Well to be fair, let's not forget Wily himself was a bit of a copycat. ..wait, who am I kidding, didn't he just steal like half his robots?
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Tallgeese posted:Well to be fair, let's not forget Wily himself was a bit of a copycat. Most of them yeah and even his best creations weren’t all that successful (Bass was essentially an accident by Wily’s own admission that disobeyed him constantly and, as you recently mentioned, Zero was too unstable to be of any practical use to begin with and had to be sealed away not long after completion) Hell, even those two were essentially made as Wily’s answer to Megaman and in the one instance where Light copied some of Wily’s tech (the Double Gear system) he wound up making better use of it than the latter ever could. Wily’s pretty much been a hack since day one Larryb fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Sep 6, 2022 |
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Sep 6, 2022 20:52
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Wily is charmingly inept but he did build some robots of his own. Weil doesn't even have a Bubble Man to his name.
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Larryb posted:Wily’s pretty much been a hack since day one It's kind of funny how he suddenly gains exponentially more competence the minute he dies and transfers his memories to Reploid bodies. Serges? Competent. Builds Zero's second body (and in Dive, X-Kai) without a hitch. Isoc? Super competent, doesn't even actually get killed by anyone and just absconds. EDIT: Oh wait, ironically he does show more Wily-like traits in the card thingy, where Isoc steals Doppler's Limited parasite research to create the Extreme. Which then proceeds to create a Zero clone I'd say is even more feminine than the original if you can believe it. Seriously, you think ViA is bad, look up Nichts. Tallgeese fucked around with this message at 21:02 on Sep 6, 2022 |
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I don't see what's particularly bad about ViA. He's straight up just blue X1 Zero, but with a blank face.
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ViA reads like a joke about mid-2000s sprite comic OCs
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Tallgeese posted:It's kind of funny how he suddenly gains exponentially more competence the minute he dies and transfers his memories to Reploid bodies. Holly crap you weren’t kidding: https://megaman.fandom.com/wiki/Nichts That said, ViA’s pretty harmless since as mentioned he’s mostly just a Zero recolor (and I think Dive even acknowledges this fact early on) Larryb fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Sep 6, 2022 |
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Dabir posted:ViA reads like a joke about mid-2000s sprite comic OCs Until we get the implied idol outfit alt he's mentioned ingame. That is, if Taicom has the balls. Larryb posted:Holly crap you weren’t kidding: Dive really should just go whole hog and put in guys like this and Enemice-HL in. Nobody would know what the hell.
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Larryb posted:Holly crap you weren’t kidding: It was a bit ago so I might be remembering wrong, but I think it's his first appearance. Also he's not really a Zero recolor, he's an admin playing as (trapped in the game? Don't remember) a Zero recolor, because that's what he wanted to look like. So, like, it's justified. Lazy, but justified. Could not tell you much past that though that game got pretty boring.
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Captain France posted:It was a bit ago so I might be remembering wrong, but I think it's his first appearance. Oh I know ViA’s deal, I was just speaking in terms of visual design
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Spelling Mitsake posted:Wow, who knew Mega Man lore was such a rich tapestry? I love the poo poo someone can put in when they realize no one is overseeing them, like the storybook in Mario Galaxy.
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ViA is a tutorial fairy for a mobile gacha game and if you’re gonna try to take the story and characters of a mobile gacha game seriously you deserve what you get
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Augus posted:ViA is a tutorial fairy for a mobile gacha game and if you’re gonna try to take the story and characters of a mobile gacha game seriously you deserve what you get I can't believe you would disrespect my friends RiCO, iCO, and ViA like this.
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Tallgeese posted:It's just weird that the other two (EDIT: whoops no, three) we definitely know got revived have no speech problems, is all. I assume Copy X’s revivals problems with speech was due to Weil altering his personality to be more callous and willing to listen to him.
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Schwarzwald posted:There's not much to suggest that Weil is that skilled of a mad scientist (relatively speaking). His modus operandi is to commandeer and suborn other peoples tech, whether that's the Mother Elf, Zero's original body, or the myriad of doomsday machines Neo Arcadia kept mothballed. Weil’s talents were explicitly stated to be in Reploid Revival, and Modification. Which he was decent at all the reploids he revived or modified were very loyal to him.
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I mean, I'm pretty sure someone would generally be nice to someone who brought them back to life. But what do I know, I haven't been dead yet!
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Kanos posted:I always thought that one worked, but my original view of the maverick virus was that it mostly just short-circuited any pre-programmed inhibitions or programming and let the victim do whatever they wanted, effectively granting them complete free will - hence the name. In that context, Zero turning good was more "Zero decided to be a good person once he had the ability to do so" rather than "Zero passed through the opposite day filter". It seemed pretty clear that being Maverick was not just one thing Some Mavericks are largely-rational revolutionaries who see themselves as fighting for Reploid freedom, some of them let their obsession with something dumb overwhelm their ethics and common sense, and some of them were so mentally out of it that they could barely even talk anymore I get the impression that the Maverick virus just fucks with robot brains, and exactly how hosed they get depends on how much of a dose they get and how their brain is built. Sometimes it just knocks out a couple of ethics circuits, sometimes it scrambles half their brain And as Reploid brains get more advanced, we see them begin to be able to go "Maverick" themselves without necessarily being exposed to a virus at all Takoluka posted:I thought the Maverick Virus that was causing Zero issues and all of the X series issues in general was the Evil Energy from Mega Man 8. It makes complete and perfect sense, and smoothly explains why there is basically an unbroken line of seemingly-indestructible evil from series to series: Wily's creation turned Sigma evil, the Mother Elf that destroyed the Sigma virus turned evil itself and had to be sealed rather than destroyed, and Dr Weil who turned evil alongside the Mother Elf was so incredibly immortal that the wreckage of the space station he died on was still full of his malevolent will or something a century after he died So of course that's the one explanation that I've never seen official sources attempt to offer
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Vizuyos posted:It seemed pretty clear that being Maverick was not just one thing No no, it kind of is. "A robot the human government doesn't like." I mean, even Copy X was doing what he was doing for the sake of the meatbags.
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maverick being just a made up dum,b label is made explicit when weil makes fun of zero for not being allowed to kill him
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An (amateur?) animator completely reanimated the intro cutscene of Mega Man 8 in Adobe Animate. All of it by hand, no AI. Mega Man 8 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNT-E6DEHN8 Rockman 8 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQPbbp_ycg8 https://twitter.com/MASJ_YT/status/1567301630072131584 https://twitter.com/MASJ_YT/status/1566132662670073859 Star Man fucked around with this message at 08:43 on Sep 7, 2022 |
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i for one love lore and i can't wait for mega man zero 5 e: also i think the maverick stuff works with both the "bots the govt don't like" and also "it makes ur robot brain into scrambled robot brain eggs" Booky fucked around with this message at 10:20 on Sep 7, 2022 |
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It's Ideology
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Vizuyos posted:
Long story short, everything that's discussed regarding Megaman lore is either - Hearsay/misremembered - lost in the internet - altered in an interview because the game was made 25 years ago and the programmers don't remember specifics - made up by a fan 20 years ago but was so heavily shared people think it's canon - written in a book that nuCapcom stamped "official" on, but was written by fans that just make poo poo up that they want to be canon - from a side game that Capcom had barely anything to do with - rarely from the actual creators during the alpha or beta phases of the game, or official storyboards/scribbles found and displayed years afterward You can't even take the art books seriously, since they were cobbled together years later. I doubt Servbot20 or Protodude ever did it, but it would be extremely good to have a wiki entry detailing exactly what's canon and fan theories. That's a huge problem with the current wikis. For instance under Ciel, they say it's "highly likely" she was upgraded into a cyborg, but they don't have a tag saying fan theory. The game doesn't explicitly say that, so they need to clarify. There's a lot of that on the wikis.
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saw "Megaman" was trending on twitter. got a little excited but with tempered expectations. https://twitter.com/search?q=Megaman&src=trend_click&pt=1567501119412109314&vertical=trends it's even more dull than expected, some new pokemon that look like net navis https://twitter.com/kujikawaii/status/1567501119412109314
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Star Man posted:An (amateur?) animator completely reanimated the intro cutscene of Mega Man 8 in Adobe Animate. All of it by hand, no AI. that’s rad. they even drew completely new stuff in the backgrounds to fill out the widescreen image Captain Invictus posted:saw "Megaman" was trending on twitter. got a little excited but with tempered expectations.
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Augus posted:that’s rad. they even drew completely new stuff in the backgrounds to fill out the widescreen image My initial reaction was that these were recreated with AI and wondered if it was cropped to fit into 16:9. It was all way too clean and the before/after got me thinking that there was some manual adjustments. But nope, the crazy sonovabitch recreated it all from scratch. Painted backgrounds, redrew, and repainted the cels.
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They definitely have a Net Navi look about them, but I wonder if they're intended to be a bit of a nod toward Pulseman. Game Freak still acknowledges that game now and again.
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Docahedron posted:Long story short, everything that's discussed regarding Megaman lore is either You forgot -Made up by the game's translators And little details like that occasionally end up in the games themselves, like when the MM1 English translators decided that Wily should be Light's assistant instead of some rando
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Tunicate posted:And little details like that occasionally end up in the games themselves, like when the MM1 English translators decided that Wily should be Light's assistant instead of some rando wait what
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Schwarzwald posted:wait what Yeah, apparently Wily was just a rival scientist that was jealous of Light’s accomplishments. Them being partners was 100% an invention of the English MM1 manual
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