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Soonmot posted:I am amused and sad at the same time. Like lol, but also it'd be col if there dc movies that weren't batman and were also good DC League of Super Pets was good...
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Opopanax posted:Fine have him record all the lines now and then just put them in when it comes time, problem solved You mean like fine, have him record 20 years ago, right? He's already far too old. People always wanna fancast the elderly because they were in something cool in the elden days. Well, except in the case of women, then it's just done by hair color. My outsider pick for Doom is Alan Tudyk. He can play intense and menacing perfectly, he has the right range of being able to do deadly serious or lightly comedic which is how the MCU tends to operate, and he can basically do whatever voice at all. Plus he's the sort of "I'll show up for any call" actor where he could play like Benedict Wong is doing now and show up in tons of post-credits and shows and stuff.
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STAC Goat posted:While it’s obviously true that the big point of the shared universe is brand identity I think there’s an obvious plus to origin stories and starting small. Comic book fans always tend to go to that “just start in the middle with everything established” thing but like that’s a lot of world preestablished. I’m not saying you can’t make a good movie like that but you’re definitely gonna have some audience that feels like they came into the story midway through. What the MCU has so effectively done is make comic book stuff that extends to an audience way beyond comic book fans. And I think a big part of that is that it started with what felt like a beginning (or a whole bunch of beginnings) so even when there’s a movie that is very sequels and connected there’s a huge audience who is already caught up. I think this mischaracterizes what people say, though. Like unless we are using a loose definition of "story" to mean the history of DC's universe nobody is suggesting that we need to start in the middle of a story. World and story aren't the same thing. The story of The Boys starts off with a world that is already full of original heroes the audience has never heard of. Shared universes are good for enabling the crossover stories that require a bunch of other heroes not normally teamed up but with Marvel it also means that a lot of the audience now expects every story to be shared that way and no character can just be by themselves anymore. That sounds pretty limiting!
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Opopanax posted:Yeah that's the key. Their elseworld/unrelated films have been the good ones, and it frees them up creatively. Trying to retrace the last ten years of Marvel's steps isn't going to get them anywhere Except for mothafuckin paid!  ...I'm only half-joking.Look, at the risk of eating a probation for Snyderchat, I think that the honest real reason that those folks are so crazy about the Snyder cut/verse/etc even now is that, at the end of the day, the dude finally made a Justice League movie and no one else has. People have wanted a Justice League movie for years and somehow for years, despite evidence via years of comic sales, cartoons, and other media, WB never seemed to put two and two together and figure out "hey, people seem to like it when our superheroes interact, maybe we should do that with real people!". I mean I remember back when people were going all Pepe Silvia crazy anticipating a Batman/Superman movie because of a fake poster in the background of I Am Legend. And like, yeah, I'm not dense, I'm sure there were probably behind the scenes efforts that languished in development hell for decades, but it shouldn't have taken until a year after the Avengers for WB to start to hint at a extended universe. I mean I know we've all been laughing at and/or cringing at WB just stepping on rakes over and over during this merger, but if you ask me they've been making stupid moves for way longer than that in regards to their handling of all their (non-Batman) superhero stuff. Listen, I'm kind of ranting so tl;dr: People just want to see a fuckin' Justice League movie... or at least a Batman/Superman movie... so they should make some. If they're so concerned about getting out of debt they should take a note from the media machine so successful they managed to make people leave their homes in a global pandemic to see loving Eternals Okay, back to ranting. As for Joker and any other films they (or filmmakers) want to make independent of a shared universe... yeah, go to town. One upside/silver lining of being perpetually behind the curve when it comes to chasing Marvel is that they've now primed audiences to accept (hell, perhaps even want) a multiverse, so DC should absolutely run with it. My "if I was in charge" plan would just be to make those movies but before them, I'd just put a big DC Multiverse brand after the studio logo or if/when DC makes a big self-indulgent intro like the Marvel Studios one, I'd slap Multiverse underneath it (or for a way more inelegant solution maybe a great big "Earth-[whatever number]" card before the movie started) so TwoPair fucked around with this message at 04:53 on Sep 8, 2022 |
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Mr Hootington posted:Why what is happening to the WB is happening and how it will happen to the rest of Hollywood. idk anything but this photo owns bones though https://twitter.com/gvaughnjoy/status/1443525704096919552?t=VfcMoAF7V486qRhQ0yJR-A&s=19
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My DCEU plan: make random movies with no regards to continuity except their own direct sequels and they cross over when fun or convenient
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John Wick of Dogs posted:My DCEU plan: make random movies with no regards to continuity except their own direct sequels and they cross over when fun or convenient
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I do think they have the right idea that they need "their own Kevin Fiege." Just because if you do have a shared universe you don't need to have everything connect directly or build to each other but you do need someone who is paying attention and can say "No, you can't use X, Y is already using him." Which isn't to say you can't make 5 different movies with 5 different Batmen. I mean... do what you feel. But that's obviously a different plan entirely and doesn't have the obvious brand identity that they want to crib from Marvel to try and get massive.
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I think Superman should randomly show up in WB non superhero movies. Like a romantic comedy and at some point they are arguing and almost get into a car crash but Superman saves them and flies off. There is no other mention of superheroes. But this is the lowest point of Anna Faris and, let's say, Daniel Radcliffe 's relationship
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That feels like the literal IP synergy dream. Like the end stage of Space Jam 2 or Free Guy. Just brands showing up everywhere randomly so they can put them in trailers.
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As the male lead runs into the airport to ask the female lead to get back with him he spots the plane she’s about to board but oh no it’s just about to take off! Then doomsday throws superman through the plane from 5 cities away, killing everyone on board,cut to credits
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John Wick of Dogs posted:I think Superman should randomly show up in WB non superhero movies. Like a romantic comedy and at some point they are arguing and almost get into a car crash but Superman saves them and flies off. There is no other mention of superheroes. But this is the lowest point of Anna Faris and, let's say, Daniel Radcliffe 's relationship I’d be a bit more subtle, and just have a guy in a Superman costume talk to one of the characters, and give advice. If the actor is charismatic enough, the internet will do the legwork, by telling everyone about this quirky romcom that has a guy that should be the next Superman.
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Make random, unconnected DC movies but Wong cameos in each of them
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TwoPair posted:I mean I remember back when people were going all Pepe Silvia crazy anticipating a Batman/Superman movie because of a fake poster in the background of I Am Legend. And like, yeah, I'm not dense, I'm sure there were probably behind the scenes efforts that languished in development hell for decades, but it shouldn't have taken until a year after the Avengers for WB to start to hint at a extended universe. I had a subscription to a magazine back in the late '90s called CineScape that basically covered genre movies, and they always had a couple of pages devoted to a rundown of rumors/movies stuck in development hell. I distinctly remember them circulating Batman/Superman rumors in that space a couple of times, so WBbasically started thinking about that right after Batman & Robin flopped, if not earlier. So, yeah, putting Batman and Superman together in a movie was in development hell for at least 20 years.
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It's going to take ten years for DC to work their way out of debt and get their poo poo together enough to get a decent shared universe going. And then Superman will become public domain and join the MCU anyway.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Just surprising that they made such a big deal of hyping it even before the deal was sealed (the new CEO specifically called it out as part of the 10-year plan on the earnings call) and are willing to sign a 10-year contract with Lin and his production company, but not just buy the company outright. WB never officially "promoted" Lin, announced any deal with him, or mentioned his name in connection with the ten-year plan Zaslav referenced in the earnings call last month. He was just reported by the Hollywood trades to be in talks for the role. Granted, when the Hollywood trades report someone is in talks for [insert role here] with [insert studio here], that usually means it's very close to a done deal and these things pan out at least 90% of the time, but this is one of the exceptions and it definitely wasn't officially announced.
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Late to the party but I just watched Thor: Love and Thunder and it's OK I guess. I was surprised when I didn't really care when I thought Korg was dead, I think I'd be more cheesed off if Miek died. I liked Melissa McCarthy as Hera. The first stinger had me interested in Thor 5 though.
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Super Dan posted:It's going to take ten years for DC to work their way out of debt and get their poo poo together enough to get a decent shared universe going. And then Superman will become public domain and join the MCU anyway. Nothing will ever become public domain again, Disney has basically made that their #1 priority.
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Random rear end in a top hat posted:Nothing will ever become public domain again, Disney has basically made that their #1 priority. They seem to have stopped doing that. Winnie the Pooh just went public domain this year.
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Im curious to see if that was them putting off that fight til it really matters in 2024, when you'll be able to make all the Mickey porn you want as long as it takes pace on a steamboat and he doesn't talk.
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Super Dan posted:They seem to have stopped doing that. Winnie the Pooh just went public domain this year. given the first result of that maybe entering the public domain is bad actually https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3E74j_xFtg
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Super Dan posted:They seem to have stopped doing that. Winnie the Pooh just went public domain this year. Only the original stuff, because they didn’t own it. They only licensed it. Lots of stuff Disney created themselves is still theirs.
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There is basically zero chance there will be another copyright extension any time soon.
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Copyright is also different than trademark. DC has Superman (the name) and the Superman image trademarked. In 2033, you can reprint Action Comics #1 to your heart's content, but you can't make a public domain adaption of a modern Superman movie.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Copyright is also different than trademark.
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FlamingLiberal posted:How does that even work if you have to put Superman in your reprint of Action Comics #1 You could reprint the literal contents of the comics, redistribute it for free, use clips or parts commercially without paying anyone. You can't release a major motion picture with the Superman logo and "Superman" branding. It's a similar thing with Captain Marvel. Marvel owns the trademark for Captain Marvel. They can release Captain Marvel movies and use the Captain Marvel image. DC also has a character named Captain Marvel, but they can never release a movie/comic titled "Captain Marvel" and could get sued if they tried to make their Captain Marvel look like Marvel's Captain Marvel or make other intentional moves that could be construed as attempting to confuse the average consumer to think they are affiliated with the Marvel Captain Marvel. So, DC publishes Captain Marvel under the name "Shazaam!" and has a copyright on the media starring their Captain Marvel and a trademark on the name and imagery of "Shazaam!"
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Copyright is also different than trademark. All that said, you're actually not right. If Action #1 were to go into the public domain, you could absolutely make a public domain Superman movie (and include all characters and concepts included in that). It just couldn't be called "Superman", and he'd have to be visually distinct from DC/Warner versions. We're literally seeing this right now with "Blood and Honey" a public domain adaptation of Winnie the Pooh being released. How you do that and call it a Superman movie is beyond me, but that's why I'm not a movie maker.
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Endless Mike posted:Huge asterisk here in believing Disney won't be fighting tooth and nail to get that extended again. It'll definitely be fun to see what happens if they don't manage. If the imagery is trademarked, then the adaptation can't be reasonably be construed as related to the original imagery or brand. That's what I mean by you can't adapt "a modern Superman movie." If you use any of the trademarked imagery/branding/likeness or are attempting to present the work as affiliated with a trademarked brand, then you can't do it. Action Comics #1 will be public domain, but you can't make a "Superman" movie or use any of the trademarked Superman logos/branding/imagery. In the Winnie the Pooh case, the original books and written works are public domain, but Disney's version is still copyrighted and considered legally distinct. If someone tried to make a Winnie the Pooh movie that could conceivably be passed off as a sequel to the Disney property, then they could get sued. You can make a movie about Hercules, but if you tried to make another movie like Disney's Hercules and pass it off as related to the brand, then you would open yourself up to liability.
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We're in hell world so it'll probably be President Desantis in a couple years and he'll rewrite copyright law specifically to mess with Disney
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Huh. Look what just dropped. Unless it’s been out for a bit and I missed it. New Black Adam trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXEOXVZIQVM
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jiffynuts posted:Huh. Look what just dropped. Unless it’s been out for a bit and I missed it.
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I finally watched No Way Home and I liked it very much but I'm also very sad that Spider-Man's all alone now because I want to see more Spider-Men doing Spider-Men things together.
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I feel like this is setting up for a good ol' Justice League style "wow you tried to cram way too much into one movie and hosed it all up" mess
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Jamesman posted:I finally watched No Way Home and I liked it very much but I'm also very sad that Spider-Man's all alone now because I want to see more Spider-Men doing Spider-Men things together. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bw1OlVdZ2U
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TwoPair posted:I feel like this is setting up for a good ol' Justice League style "wow you tried to cram way too much into one movie and hosed it all up" mess
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It feels like a movie that's been in production development for over a decade and become a passion project for the star and is introducing an entire team of characters as just supporting characters in an ambitious flip on heroes as the antagonists to a protagonist antihero/villain that's also kind of one of the last projects of the most recent bid to try and right the ship of an entire shared universe that keeps stumbling... Well that's either gonna be something special or a real mess. Or a special mess.
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We've spent the last couple of pages alternating joke and real posts about how people would fix or reboot the DCEU but the ultimate strategy now appears to be "gently caress it, people will watch anything that the Rock is in, let's just put as much stuff as possible here" e: and "people really liked Michael Keaton as Batman back in the day, didn't they?" but they hitched that one to the wrong star.
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