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Is that spiritual sequel the main EQ guy was working on just vaporware?
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Sep 8, 2022 11:46
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A Strange Aeon posted:Is that spiritual sequel the main EQ guy was working on just vaporware? Pantheon, It was announced in 2014 and is currently in pre-alpha. So basically Star Citizen, without the funding. There's a thread on it in this subforum.
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Sep 8, 2022 11:55
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I think the challenge with new mmo development has part to do with the splintering of the genre. People who like to craft things have world builders, people who like to pvp have mobas and battle royales, people who like to chat have vrchat and discord (really), etc. Taking all those activities and bundling it into a product that will make money is tough. This is further hampered by the fact that the premium development tools (unity, unreal) don’t come designed to really support mmo level population/ persistence- at least as far as I can tell. To that end the barrier to enter the market is high and it’s already saturated somewhat by other products that have f2p options. You may start to see some new competition enter the market because of the nft hype but I don’t think those have a strong chance of surviving. Emulated eq is in a fairly good spot. You have both classic (through velious, p99) and planes of power (TAKP) options available. The biggest thing missing at moment is a single box enforced planes of power server- something like this will probably come out in the next 12-18 months.
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Sep 8, 2022 15:47
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milkman dad posted:I think the challenge with new mmo development has part to do with the splintering of the genre. People who like to craft things have world builders, people who like to pvp have mobas and battle royales, people who like to chat have vrchat and discord (really), etc. Taking all those activities and bundling it into a product that will make money is tough. This is further hampered by the fact that the premium development tools (unity, unreal) don’t come designed to really support mmo level population/ persistence- at least as far as I can tell. To that end the barrier to enter the market is high and it’s already saturated somewhat by other products that have f2p options. You may start to see some new competition enter the market because of the nft hype but I don’t think those have a strong chance of surviving. God drat I miss EQMac.
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Sep 8, 2022 16:12
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nwin posted:God drat I miss EQMac. Roll on TAKP! It’s like it never changed, honestly. At least half the population 3-boxes though so if you’re not into that you may not like it. I played it for a bit in late 2019 (luclin era) but went back to p1999 as I had more friends there and managing 2 emulated eq presences was too much work.
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Sep 8, 2022 16:37
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milkman dad posted:Roll on TAKP! It’s like it never changed, honestly. At least half the population 3-boxes though so if you’re not into that you may not like it. I played it for a bit in late 2019 (luclin era) but went back to p1999 as I had more friends there and managing 2 emulated eq presences was too much work. Yeah I did that for a bit but grew tired of everyone 3-boxing.
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Sep 8, 2022 16:46
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A Strange Aeon posted:Is that spiritual sequel the main EQ guy was working on just vaporware? His death a few years back probably didn’t help. Re: 3 boxing and boxing in general; the boxing cultural became less odious to me when I realized the pickup group scene usually resulted in groups with quiet grinding anyway (so no difference from me grinding on my own) or the conversations usually end up being some variant of “kids these days, can you believe this pronoun poo poo?” Like every time. Because a lot of the game pop is old boomers. Yiggy fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Sep 8, 2022 |
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Sep 8, 2022 17:22
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I wonder if TAKP enforcing single boxing would grow or shrink its player base over the long term.
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Sep 8, 2022 17:32
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It's not just the boxing, it's the camera stuff also. I know there is a hack to get around it, but that just makes it dumber.
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Sep 8, 2022 17:43
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I liked one-boxing because people would generally tell me hacks and interesting things about the zone we were in. Like all the people that routinely level people to 60 over and over again were fun to chat with because they just knew so much of the game. When I played TAKP I could find a group every now and then but the interaction wasn’t really there. After that I downloaded something where it let me create my own server and I just went god-mode and gave myself a bunch of everything I ever wanted and then went to explore some zones-that was pretty fun.
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Sep 8, 2022 19:01
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here's my proposal: Classic-Velious EQ with choice zones brought over from PoP and Luclin, reconnected to classic-velious zones in ways that would make sense, with re-itemization to be normalized against Velious-era loot with a few nice, new clickies spread around. I suggest: * Solusek Ro's Tower connected to the Temple of Sol Ro * Plane of Water connected to Kedge Keep or Siren's Grotto * Plane of Earth connected to The Hole * Drunder, Fortress of Zek connected to Oggok * Crypt of Decay connected to Qeynos Catacombs * Halls of Honor connected to North Freeport * Plane of Innovation connected to Ak'Anon * Druid port for Plane of Storms * Wizard port for Plane of Fire * Revamped Luclin-era CT Maybe throw in Ssra somewhere in Kunark and dumpster most of the rest of Luclin. Maybe cram some of the Luclin underground zones somewhere connected to existing subterranean zones like Runnyeye, Blackburrow, or Crystal Caverns. Keep AAs. in general, no new "hub" zones. (...and two-boxing  )thanks for reading my dreams.txt blog. e: I see PoP as the natural end-game for EQ after Velious, storywise. Fight the gods, take their poo poo, and ruin their houses. Where the hell do you go from there? cmdrk fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Sep 8, 2022 |
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Sep 8, 2022 20:17
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I personally don’t like boxing but without a community you kinda need it. Would be nice to have 1 box zones though, so there’s always somewhere to go where boxing isn’t the optimal way to play
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Sep 8, 2022 20:53
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While I am a fan of Luclin and PoP, the Temple of Ssraeshza was and is a black hole in which all fun disappears forever. I've 3-boxed for a long time on p2002 (I think it's called Wayfarer's Haven or something now), I found it easy and fun to do but I exclusively played with one or two friends. It's nice to be able to fill out a party just the two or three of us and powerlevel yourself etc but if you're playing solo it's still as lovely as when you play on your own on a single box server. Boxing however creates the problem it tries to solve: p2002 had like a few dozen people on at best, so you had to box to get certain content done, but being able to box means a lot of people are going to not play on your server which means you have a low population which means you have to box to get certain content done...
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Sep 8, 2022 21:15
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Meatgrinder posted:While I am a fan of Luclin and PoP, the Temple of Ssraeshza was and is a black hole in which all fun disappears forever. I only ever did Ssra on TAKP but I really liked it compared to almost every other Luclin zone. The raids were okay (although rotated between guilds on TAKP). The only thing I didn't like was that the mobs were pretty darn tough and it wasn't great exp'ing in there except for the mines maybe. What I really hated about PoP was that it was the expansion that seemingly made Enchanters even more of an overpowered god class. Since mobs hit like trucks, enchanters could charm and make quick work of most mobs in the lower tiers. AA grinding seemed to necessitate their presence, or some kind of charm. And the tiering and flagging is what effectively killed TAKP for me. 
cmdrk fucked around with this message at 22:21 on Sep 8, 2022 |
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Sep 8, 2022 22:18
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an iksar marauder posted:I personally don’t like boxing but without a community you kinda need it. Would be nice to have 1 box zones though, so there’s always somewhere to go where boxing isn’t the optimal way to play The p1999 lobby should spend some of its annual budget to hire a community builder to get fresh blood into the game. I think if you paid people a monthly subscription to play classic EQ, you'd have a population approaching the numbers on live 20 years ago, just the payment model needs to be completely reversed.
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Sep 8, 2022 22:20
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Antisocial play is already rewarded enough in EQ without having boxing to make it even worse. Boxing is a convenience, and I certainly did it on live, but it ultimately decreases the opportunity for the incidental social interactions that are EQ's real strength. Pick up groups, ports, rezzes, and item transfers are all opportunities for player interaction, and having a community that can provide these things for you consistently is a major reason to get to know people and join a guild even if you don't want to raid. It also changes your attitude toward the rest of the population of your server. Guild vs. guild poo poo can get pretty antisocial, but I have fond memories, especially as a raid puller, of loving around with or helping out people in other guilds because we were buddies from leveling together, doing item or faction camps, pick-up-grouping epic fights, etc.
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Sep 9, 2022 14:28
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I guess some of that makes sense in p99s cloistered environment and I get that it’s a different set of ideals. But some of those social interactions, notably porting and item transfers, are just tedious transactions that delay people from the meat of the game. I think there is some romanticization of older aspects of the game. Sort of a different point but I’m curious about p99, is it as discord saturated as the normal eq experiences have become? In my experience playing on tlp’s people use, engage and respond with the chat client as little as possible and will use discord whenever they can. Is p99 like that? I find the voice chatification of everything sort of accelerates the development of cliques? And if you’re not in the voice chat in a group it’s a v antisocial experience, you’re alone next to other people in a group sort of thing. And as a result of that grouping happens primarily intraguild. With pick up groups being a very hit or miss experience, to the point where after awhile only the desperate want them. Yiggy fucked around with this message at 19:43 on Sep 9, 2022 |
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Sep 9, 2022 19:05
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boxing should be legal but only if you can prove each instance is on its own separate computer like you had to do back in the day
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Sep 9, 2022 20:42
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Sankis posted:boxing should be legal but only if you can prove each instance is on its own separate computer like you had to do back in the day I had a computer that could two-box in 2001 
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Sep 9, 2022 20:50
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everquest? wasn't there a weird anti cheat early on where just alt tsbbing the game would force you to reload it entirely
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Sep 9, 2022 20:53
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Just dinged 20, so now I'm "Meehhh Whatever" the wood elf druid!  This is the first time I've leveled a class that can teleport, and boy oh boy... After years of playing classes with no movement abilities at all (except for bard), it's pretty drat cool to just be able to bounce around the continents whenever I want. I'm just grinding out the exp super casual in the Karanas for now, soloing blues with all my buffs up. I tried some pet tanking with the Befriend Animal spell, but the duration is too random to be safe, so I'll start doing that at 24 when I get the next tier. Sankis posted:everquest? wasn't there a weird anti cheat early on where just alt tsbbing the game would force you to reload it entirely You might be thinking of FFXI, which definitely disconnected you when you alt-tabbed, and it was by design.
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Sep 9, 2022 21:39
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I don't know I distinctly remember hitting that loving windows key in the early days of Kunark and knowing I was in for a corpse run because minimizing Everquest was an automatic disconnect. It certainly wasn't like that later on but I started playing in windowed mode pretty early on as well so I wouldn't have been able to tell I guess. Anyway, original Everquest was basically an IRC with a complex GUI. All you did was talk to folks and hit an occasional button.
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Sep 9, 2022 21:56
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The game would crash early on if you alt tabbed. The fact that it didn't crash with eq window really implies that it was a bug that they backsplained as being immersive or anti cheating.
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Sep 9, 2022 22:09
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FungiCap posted:The game would crash early on if you alt tabbed. The fact that it didn't crash with eq window really implies that it was a bug that they backsplained as being immersive or anti cheating. I always thought it was botched transfer of control of the GPU back the OS which caused the crashing. The cyber cafe I worked at from 99-2003 had all the windows keys ripped off the keyboards.
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Sep 10, 2022 01:37
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DisgracelandUSA posted:I always thought it was botched transfer of control of the GPU back the OS which caused the crashing. I think you're right.
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Sep 10, 2022 02:00
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Meatgrinder posted:I don't know I distinctly remember hitting that loving windows key in the early days of Kunark and knowing I was in for a corpse run because minimizing Everquest was an automatic disconnect. It certainly wasn't like that later on but I started playing in windowed mode pretty early on as well so I wouldn't have been able to tell I guess. It's been so long since I was playing EQ on a late 90's Gateway PC, so I don't remember having issues like that, but I totally believe it. It's not like we had luxuries like multiple monitors or smartphones to just look up info. And the only online info we had was *maybe* some incomplete pages on Allakhazam.
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Sep 10, 2022 16:21
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DizzyBum posted:It's been so long since I was playing EQ on a late 90's Gateway PC, so I don't remember having issues like that, but I totally believe it. It's not like we had luxuries like multiple monitors or smartphones to just look up info. And the only online info we had was *maybe* some incomplete pages on Allakhazam. Oh God, I had a friend who had a printer and I would go to his place and look up poo poo on EQLore (? I think?) or EQMaps and print it out and have the pages at hand while playing.
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Sep 10, 2022 16:49
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Definitely remember my parents answering the phone and disconnecting me while playing EQ back in the day
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Sep 10, 2022 19:26
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Trying to explain to my dad that I can't pause my game to do the dishes on my first NToV raid
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Sep 10, 2022 20:34
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Meatgrinder posted:Trying to explain to my dad that I can't pause my game to do the dishes on my first NToV raid Telling my first NToV raid I have to log cause I called my mom a b*tch when she kept nagging me about taking the trash out 
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Sep 11, 2022 02:32
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Sometimes parents just don't understand
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Sep 11, 2022 03:45
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I remember having a folder of maps from Allakhzam because I had to print them out since I couldn't alt+tab to the other window. As it goes now, P99 is essentially solved and has been for years. Guilds several years ago did some low person kills in NToV of like 18-24 , but right now the late game really sucks because 1 guild has the numbers and their leaders hate everyone else (while also donating enough to not get banned). Every other guild for the most part work amicably and acknowledge mistakes. It still sucks if you aren't one of the top 3 guilds, but 2 of those are willing to work with you and let you try a mob instead of leapfrogging you. Being a part of one of those remaining guilds, I am so happy about the quarterly draft. It gives people targets they can go after mobs they can do, but can't sock 16 hours on. The biggest mobs that guilds have a hard time with are going to be Tunare, Sontalak, and Klandikar. Tunare isn't too bad, except for the zone clearing required and in the past she was exploited by training out of range. My guild has grouped up for Klandikar and joined in a sever wide Sontalak raid, but those team ups exist because most guilds are reasonable. This is a long post to basically say gently caress Vanquish.
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Sep 11, 2022 03:49
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FungiCap posted:The game would crash early on if you alt tabbed. The fact that it didn't crash with eq window really implies that it was a bug that they backsplained as being immersive or anti cheating. I always thought that was by design, in a vain attempt to try to prevent people using cheating software. Of course if they wanted to avoid people cheating, not having things like 'player position' be calculated client-side would have been a good idea too.
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Sep 12, 2022 10:35
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Philonius posted:I always thought that was by design, in a vain attempt to try to prevent people using cheating software. Of course if they wanted to avoid people cheating, not having things like 'player position' be calculated client-side would have been a good idea too. I remember being able to ALT TAB out of EQ before using EQWindow but after it would crash me to desktop, only to find out that my necromancer medding outside Kurn's Tower was faithfully duplicating in /say every keystroke I had entered into my browser window. This led to quite a few amusing moments in raid downtimes, with people going afk to "put on some tunes" and, well, clearly putting on wholly differing things...
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Sep 12, 2022 11:55
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aparmenideanmonad posted:I have fond memories, especially as a raid puller, i have fond memories of your pulls inside of my massive forehead
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Sep 18, 2022 06:27
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26 now, nearly at 27. Apparently all of the early Druid animal charm spells can randomly break and the P99 wiki is just wrong. Seems to be a lower chance on lower-level mobs. I tried to hunt wooly mammoths in Everfrost at 24, but there were too many white and yellow cons, so I'm doing this mindless Slaythe grind in Misty Thicket as a bridge to 27, and then I'm gonna try out the Cazic Thule alligator pit.
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Sep 19, 2022 18:03
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DizzyBum posted:26 now, nearly at 27. Apparently all of the early Druid animal charm spells can randomly break and the P99 wiki is just wrong. Seems to be a lower chance on lower-level mobs. I tried to hunt wooly mammoths in Everfrost at 24, but there were too many white and yellow cons, so I'm doing this mindless Slaythe grind in Misty Thicket as a bridge to 27, and then I'm gonna try out the Cazic Thule alligator pit. Yea, the wiki level ranges are a bit off. Mammoths especially were tricky around that level. You're kind of in a hard slog until 34 when you get your first quad spell. Might want to try root rotting giants in Warsliks then hitting up FM giants. What kind of wisdom are you working with? I highly recommend joining Dial a Port at 29 to start making money for wisdom gear/lumi staff.
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Sep 20, 2022 22:07
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At 27-34 do sabertooth grimwhatevers in LOIO.
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Sep 21, 2022 02:15
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riht posted:i have fond memories of your pulls inside of my massive forehead Just have to appreciate the double entendre here. I mean, I was absolutely aiming for your head.
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Iksar exiles in Swamp of No Hope are pretty good, I did them for a while on my druid. Quite a boring AFK camp, but nice if you're into that. Also brutes in the Dalnir caves in Warsliks, but they're camped pretty often.
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