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General Battuta posted:There's a pretty good WW3 novel from the 90s called ARC LIGHT, which has nothing to do with B-52s really. It's about a conventional war between China and Russia which Russia's losing, so they fire just a COUPLE nukes at China to stop the bleeding. The Chinese are able to get off a counterstrike which triggers Russia's automatic defense system which launches a counterforce attack on America, which counterforce launches on Russia's strategic nuclear sites... there was a Let's Read of this in TFR a while back, iirc someone got in contact with the author and he was completely overwhelmed that anyone remembered it and wanted to talk to him
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shame on an IGA posted:there was a Let's Read of this in TFR a while back, iirc someone got in contact with the author and he was completely overwhelmed that anyone remembered it and wanted to talk to him Could you link to the thread if you can find it?
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Marshal Prolapse posted:Could you link to the thread if you can find it? I had it confused with Alas, Babylon e: and definitely no one contacted the author of that one, I hope :2spoopy: shame on an IGA fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Sep 11, 2022 |
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shame on an IGA posted:I had it confused with Alas, Babylon I'm pretty impressed by TFR's resourcefulness, given that Pat Frank died in 1964.
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shame on an IGA posted:there was a Let's Read of this in TFR a while back, iirc someone got in contact with the author and he was completely overwhelmed that anyone remembered it and wanted to talk to him No, that was Fire Lance, and I was the one who got in touch with the author. We still chat sometimes!
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"Oh, is that what he wants me to see, the dude flagging the firing line with the...oh." I didn't even notice the first time the "range master" decided to take a page from the Gunny Highway book. Also willing to bet SGT> Tons-of-Fun there has never seen real combat. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Sep 11, 2022 |
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Why is the one dude in sneakers?
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Hypnobeard posted:Why is the one dude in sneakers? "I wear Carhartt. I am 'operator' of Tier Number One." 
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General Battuta posted:No, that was Fire Lance, and I was the one who got in touch with the author. We still chat sometimes! You probably have some professional knowledge of this, what's the hindrance of earlier generation authors to republish their out of print backlog as ebooks?
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Hypnobeard posted:Why is the one dude in sneakers? Lots of Russian soldiers seem to be wearing sneakers. Dunno if they don't have boots or wear them for comfort and don't have a chain of command that gives a gently caress.
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Hypnobeard posted:Why is the one dude in sneakers? Wait until you see all the front line troops in dress shoes
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Hannibal Rex posted:You probably have some professional knowledge of this, what's the hindrance of earlier generation authors to republish their out of print backlog as ebooks? Not him, but it can be an issue with tracking down the estate, a publisher not retaining rights, or the author doesn’t want it or care about it, among others, such as the publisher having no e print rights.
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Is the main reason sneakers/trainers are bad because of no ankle support?
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Wombot posted:Is the main reason sneakers/trainers are bad because of no ankle support? That and combat boots are usually somewhat water resistant so you can step in puddles without ruining the rest of your day. Also better traction and you can walk in thick mud without losing your shoes.
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i'd think it would have more to do with construction quality and protection. even well made sneakers don't handle actually heavy use, like at all and their adhesive doesn't deal well with getting submerged and they're just not stitched to handle abrasions without just coming apart. good boots are like a thousand times tougher. sneakers also fall apart way faster when used while under load, too. There's a reason you'll basically never see sneakers anywhere any kind of 'hard' work is happening. not a soldier tho so I can't speak to that perspective, presumably that adds a whole additional layer of wear n tear + difficulty replacing them and also it being really fuckin bad to get your feet hurt or have your shoes fall apart? Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Sep 11, 2022 |
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Wait, do hiking shoes (not boots) count as sneakers?
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Yeah, I'm curious for a couple reasons: Both Nike and Adidas have made/do make combat boots based on their sneaker fits (they end up looking like really high top sneakers). And then also there's such a huge range of hiking/trail running shoes available now. Are there any armies that eschew traditional combat boots for lighter footwear, sort of like how you can see Japanese carpenters wearing heavy-duty socks vs the steel-toe full-leather boots at American construction sites?
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Sneakers aside is he using a proper AK to 'train' them?
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Marshal Prolapse posted:I love my Ukrainian Rammstein Covers How long before we close the tactical minivan gap?
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Wombot posted:Is the main reason sneakers/trainers are bad because of no ankle support? 1) Durability. Some combat boots do have a sole more similar to a sneaker than a hiking boot, but they'll be more durable in the upper so you can go prone and not shred the toe box. Also even lighter weight urban combat boots will have a more durable sole so they don't get shredded on rocks 2) Stiffness. If you're climbing over rough terrain you want some stiffness in the sole so that you can get purchase. A boot for climbing to the peak over rough terrain will have a stiffer sole than a boot for day hikes on well worn trails. 3) logistics. In some situations sneakers would be fine, temporarily. But if you're actually doing 8 hour patrols every day you'll wear them out incredibly fast.
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Re: sneakers, I recently listened to the Lions Led by Donkeys podcast series about the Soviet Afghanistan war, and learned it was a thing for Soviet soldiers to wear knockoffs of adidas sneakers. The backstory: At one time, adidas had the official exclusive deal to manufacture footwear for the Olympics. The 1980 Olympics were held in Moscow, and the USSR insisted that capitalist companies with such deals could not make shoes (or soda, etc) outside the USSR and just ship the goods in. So adidas set up a local factory, tooled it up, and used it to make all the shoes used by athletes in the tournament. The deal was that when the Olympics were over, adidas had to leave the factory and most of its equipment behind. Despite an agreement to not to keep making adidas designed athletic sneakers, the Soviets kept doing just that, with Москва (Moscow) replacing the adidas branding. Москваs were used in military training. As you might expect, this created a black market in selling them to the public. But what else was going on with the Red Army in the 1980s? Afghanistan! Where the Red Army quickly discovered their standard issue boots were terrible for rugged mountainous terrain. Too stiff, too uncomfortable. The field expedient solution was to wear your cool Москваs instead. Regardless of whether they were actually a good idea, Москваs became something of a fashion/status symbol for elite military units operating in Afghanistan.
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Fire resistance, too. I could wear whatever "combat boot" I wanted (as long as it was the right color) on the ground, but for flying I had to wear an approved pair from an official list. The Nikes and a bunch of others have a tendency to melt, which is bad for the flesh inside.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:good lord no What's the deal with hiking shoes? Who makes good ones if they're so much beefier than sneakers.
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Back in 2009 I had either the Oakley or Under Armour (can't remember) combat boots and they were the most comfortable boots I have ever worn. By the end of about 9 months in Afghanistan they were falling apart, especially the glue holding the sole on but I would still wear them on missions just not around anyone important. Saw a lot of SF dudes wearing Merrell's hiking shoes or boots though. This was way before they started a tan or black "military" model. I remember "side zips" were banned for some reason but people loved them.
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Godholio posted:Fire resistance, too. I could wear whatever "combat boot" I wanted (as long as it was the right color) on the ground, but for flying I had to wear an approved pair from an official list. The Nikes and a bunch of others have a tendency to melt, which is bad for the flesh inside. Tbh if you're on fire mid flight I dont think what boots you're wearing are going to matter that much unless you've got your name tattooed on your foot imo.
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Carth Dookie posted:Tbh if you're on fire mid flight I dont think what boots you're wearing are going to matter that much unless you've got your name tattooed on your foot imo. You won't be able to combat the casualty if you are screaming in pain because your foot is on fire. A fire in a crewed space is exactly the kind of thing where it is all hands on deck, at least in the navy. I would imagine that goes doubly for a much more limited flight crew.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:i'd think it would have more to do with construction quality and protection. even well made sneakers don't handle actually heavy use, like at all and their adhesive doesn't deal well with getting submerged and they're just not stitched to handle abrasions without just coming apart. good boots are like a thousand times tougher. sneakers also fall apart way faster when used while under load, too. There's a reason you'll basically never see sneakers anywhere any kind of 'hard' work is happening. weirdly the super expensive ones hold up pretty well to abuse https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEiIcPHTzCM I mean, they're not worth anywhere near the sticker cost, but it shows that if the companies want, they can make sneakers that don't fall apart instantly
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Wrong Theory posted:Back in 2009 I had either the Oakley or Under Armour (can't remember) combat boots and they were the most comfortable boots I have ever worn. By the end of about 9 months in Afghanistan they were falling apart, especially the glue holding the sole on but I would still wear them on missions just not around anyone important. Saw a lot of SF dudes wearing Merrell's hiking shoes or boots though. This was way before they started a tan or black "military" model. I remember "side zips" were banned for some reason but people loved them. I joke tried on UA boots when i saw them in a store and went oh gently caress i need these and have ended up buying 4 pairs of the loving things since then because theyre so comfy. They wear out quicker than like wolverines and poo poo but theyre better than most shoes i ever had on my feet at basically the same price when i last bought them.
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Wrong Theory posted:Back in 2009 I had either the Oakley or Under Armour (can't remember) combat boots and they were the most comfortable boots I have ever worn. By the end of about 9 months in Afghanistan they were falling apart, especially the glue holding the sole on but I would still wear them on missions just not around anyone important. Saw a lot of SF dudes wearing Merrell's hiking shoes or boots though. This was way before they started a tan or black "military" model. I remember "side zips" were banned for some reason but people loved them.
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Carth Dookie posted:Tbh if you're on fire mid flight I dont think what boots you're wearing are going to matter that much unless you've got your name tattooed on your foot imo. Not trying to stomp on your dick but you're very very wrong. There's a very good reason every bit of flight gear from the gloves to the boots is flame retardant.
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Voyager I posted:Pretty spicy exchange at the end of the first video. One of the hardliners insists that the war must go on as long as it takes, and his more pragmatic opponent retorts by asking if his ten year old children will have a chance to fight. Yeah, it’s kind of crazy seeing reality start leaking in and not just reality, but brutally honest reality. I don’t mean to argue these are good people, but they do seem to have their not fully up their own rear end like Maria or Olga the Drunk. Marshal Prolapse fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Sep 12, 2022 |
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Marshal Prolapse posted:Yeah, it’s kind of crazy seeing reality start leaking in and not just reality, but brutally honest reality. I don’t mean to argue these are good people, but they do seem to have their not fully up their own rear end like Maria or Olga the Drunk. I got some pretty heavy pro-escalation vibes from both videos
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Late to the party on this but incredible Battlefield 1942 vibes with that tank and that tree, the most incredible lols
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kupachek posted:I got some pretty heavy pro-escalation vibes from both videos Well reality for some, doubling down on delusion for others. Although he may just be controlled opposition. https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1569084264506851328?s=46&t=Jt5mZbJWFjKRLYZkx01zCQ Marshal Prolapse fucked around with this message at 02:16 on Sep 12, 2022 |
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