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Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

I don't understand how people who can't meet deadlines stay in the industry

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Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Gripweed posted:

I don't understand how people who can't meet deadlines stay in the industry

In Liefeld's case at least it was because he was very easy to get along with. And heck, if he wants a job maybe he still is.

Inkspot
Dec 3, 2013

I believe I have
an appointment.
Mr. Goongala?
I've always referred to Liefeld as the Golden Retriever puppy of comics. He might destroy your favorite sneakers and piss all over your couch. He might keep you up at night for weeks with his howling to be let out at inconvenient hours. But he just loves pouches so much. SO MUCH. And you really can't blame him for it. He's just so cute.

ryonguy
Jun 27, 2013

Gripweed posted:

I don't understand how people who can't meet deadlines stay in the industry

Arguably if a dude is whining that SJW's destroyed his career opportunities instead of just making comics, sounds like he didn't.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

https://twitter.com/renfamous/status/1568425900827414529

Lol. I heard somebody really talking up July's stuff and didn't realize he was a Libertarian goof stooging for Glenn Beck.

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


I mean tbf a lot of Miller's stuff does indeed look like poo poo.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

ruddiger posted:

I heard he mentioned before about suffering from bipolar disorder which affects his work output, which is awful and I hope he does get professional help if that’s the case, but if he has the foresight to recognize his diagnosis, he should also realize why he’s in the wrong on this.

If you're a raging misogynist, bipolar disorder only affects the first part. There is no medical excuse for hating women.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

There is if you have Hatus Womanus

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

Everything is Sinister


Gripweed posted:

I don't understand how people who can't meet deadlines stay in the industry

Because they're one of the guys/willing to kiss rear end/a big enough name.

Also drat, the issue they use to illustrate Pearson's art on Bleeding Cool is some kind of ICE comic. Says a lot.

E the Shaggy
Mar 29, 2010
Here's the Dale Keown video, he also knocks over a "piss bottle".

https://twitter.com/TheVikkiVerse/status/1568070359441719296?s=20&t=KAN16Mrh3v_2042V5Fie1w

Never wasting a good grift, Van Sciver has Keown on another stream a day later to push his terrible frog story.

https://twitter.com/TheVikkiVerse/status/1568095429287452672?s=20&t=KAN16Mrh3v_2042V5Fie1w

Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

Freshly Squeezed
I just realized that Dale Keown is the artist on Hulk: The End, one of my favourite single issues ever, ugh.

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!

Oasx posted:

I just realized that Dale Keown is the artist on Hulk: The End, one of my favourite single issues ever, ugh.

Reminds me of Chuck Austen writing a solid one-shot/single issue of a J’onn J’onzz focused story with a female character that wasn’t dreadful. But at least he seemed to improve from his X-Men days because I just learned he’s a producer/co-showrunner for She-Ra of all things.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

Gripweed posted:

I don't understand how people who can't meet deadlines stay in the industry

There's a certain old-boys-club mindset. If you're buddies with the right editor(s), you can kick along for a surprisingly long time despite whatever shortcomings you might possess.

Mob
May 7, 2002

Me reading your posts

Dale looked so much like a meth head when he woke up I was honestly taken aback by that full set of chompers.

Joe Fisto
Dec 6, 2002

And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him.
His “fans” were cheering on the blackout. Hopefully someone with his best interest in mind can convince him to seek treatment.

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch
welp

Codependent Poster
Oct 20, 2003

I liked Otto Schmidt's art. Uh, well that's gonna stop now. Yikesaroo

ryonguy
Jun 27, 2013
Otto Schmidt did do a ton of porn work; was he actually associated with the person or did they work for the same porn company? Also, that tweet is really awkwardly worded and I can't tell if all the bad stuff is from the unnamed artist, or did Otto do the pro-Putin comics?

Joe Fisto
Dec 6, 2002

And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him.
I don't know what they're trying to say, but I hope its wrong.

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible



Codependent Poster posted:

I liked Otto Schmidt's art. Uh, well that's gonna stop now. Yikesaroo

What has he done? I don't recall the name.

Joe Fisto
Dec 6, 2002

And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him.

Davros1 posted:

What has he done? I don't recall the name.

He's the main artist on DC vs Vampires right now.

https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/DC_vs._Vampires_Vol_1?file=DC_vs._Vampires_Vol_1_1.jpg

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

ryonguy posted:

Otto Schmidt did do a ton of porn work; was he actually associated with the person or did they work for the same porn company? Also, that tweet is really awkwardly worded and I can't tell if all the bad stuff is from the unnamed artist, or did Otto do the pro-Putin comics?

Schmidt drew some very vile Not Okay porn and was the one who drew the pro-Putin comics.

ryonguy
Jun 27, 2013

Dawgstar posted:

Schmidt drew some very vile Not Okay porn and was the one who drew the pro-Putin comics.

I guess with the name or handle I always thought he was German, so looking again and realizing he's actually Russian tracks with that.

Joe Fisto
Dec 6, 2002

And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him.
According to some people the Putin thing is a parody or spoof (don’t read Russian so I’ve no idea what they say) but those censored photos don’t seem good no matter the context

If you wanna see go to this profile

https://twitter.com/elaisamisstery?s=21&t=HUgIKrF4DpFIlJN4JvgpJQ

Joe Fisto fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Sep 11, 2022

Conrad_Birdie
Jul 10, 2009

I WAS THERE
WHEN CODY RHODES
FINISHED THE STORY
Yeah I ain’t gonna click on any of those links

X-O
Apr 28, 2002

Long Live The King!

Yeah, definitely not clicking any of that. But that's a bummer I remember liking his art on Green Arrow a few years back.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
It's almost as if everyone in the comic industry sucks.

Codependent Poster
Oct 20, 2003

Davros1 posted:

What has he done? I don't recall the name.

Green Arrow, Hawkeye: Freefall, and DC vs. Vampires are the big ones.

Someone also posted a rape joke he made recently so yeah, into the trash he goes.

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013


Yeah, it has been an open secret for years because his nazi jailbait protégé's art style (who actually drew the propaganda comics) was suspiciously similar to his own. Russian community did not bother to burn his US career because he left all that behind, but last week a giant 2,5 hour video dropped - it is about Russian comics artists who worked with propagandists and huge chunk of that influencer cluster were "ironic" nazis.

fatherboxx fucked around with this message at 08:46 on Sep 12, 2022

JordanKai
Aug 19, 2011

Get high and think of me.


Schmidt's work on Green Arrow was wonderful. Shame to find out he's such a tyre fire. :sigh:

Joe Fisto
Dec 6, 2002

And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him.
So was all the gross stuff drawn by someone he mentored?

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

Joe Fisto posted:

So was all the gross stuff drawn by someone he mentored?

The most vile poo poo (both pedo poo poo and propaganda stuff) yes, but they were a duo at that point. That ex, Katya Zashtopik was a fixture of late 00s-early 10s Russian internet subculture - a siegheiling girl who got her start by hanging out with skinhead gang when she was uhh 14 was considered a favorite curiousity by some moscow bloggers and artists. At least she was older than 18 when Otto and she dated but still yikes

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

A guy with that goatee is gonna end up with some problematic women.

Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

It is curious and wants to accept all kinds of challenges

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL posted:

Reminds me of Chuck Austen writing a solid one-shot/single issue of a J’onn J’onzz focused story with a female character that wasn’t dreadful. But at least he seemed to improve from his X-Men days because I just learned he’s a producer/co-showrunner for She-Ra of all things.

Yeah I remember finding an interesting article talking about how he actually started out in animation before going into comics (for example, storyboarding on King of the Hill), and roughly a decade ago he returned to animation with his gig being serving as an extra producer who's job is to basically serve as someone with long time industry experience to help out more inexperienced showrunners, mainly at Dreamworks TVA (he's also worked on Kipo, for example), though the first show he did this for, before he joined Dreamworks, was early Steven Universe

How Wonderful!
Jul 18, 2006


I only have excellent ideas
Sort of, he did work on King of the Hill as a storyboarder, but at that point he'd been working in comics for almost fifteen years. He drew a few stories in Cat Yronwode's anthology series Alien Encounters in 1985 and actually had some pretty high-profile gigs-- he also penciled a handful of Alan Moore Miracleman issues and a 1988 issue of Zot!.

It looks like the King of the Hill credit is actually his earliest TV work, and that was 1998. So yeah, he wasn't exactly a household name prior to that, but he did have a healthy comics resume.

Anora
Feb 16, 2014

I fuckin suck!🪠
https://twitter.com/cbouzy/status/1570189240948129793

Looks like someone is going after TUG, the guy that claimed Ren bashed his mail box

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



How Wonderful! posted:

Sort of, he did work on King of the Hill as a storyboarder, but at that point he'd been working in comics for almost fifteen years. He drew a few stories in Cat Yronwode's anthology series Alien Encounters in 1985 and actually had some pretty high-profile gigs-- he also penciled a handful of Alan Moore Miracleman issues and a 1988 issue of Zot!.

It looks like the King of the Hill credit is actually his earliest TV work, and that was 1998. So yeah, he wasn't exactly a household name prior to that, but he did have a healthy comics resume.

There's a lot of crossover between comics and animation as people swing back and forth to wherever they can find a paycheck. I've got a Superfriends drawing for transferring to a cel that might be by Geoff Darrow, for example (he was working on the show, but was one of several people who could have drawn it).

An even bigger example is how Jack Kirby worked for Fleischer Studios as an inbetweener on Popeye cartoons before he got into comics and wound up back in animation for a time in at the end of his career.

It's neat if you keep your eyes open where you'll spot comics creators in other creative fields.

Edit: Thought of another big comics to animation person: Winsor McCay. :v:

Mister Beeg
Sep 7, 2012

A Certified Jerk
Another example from King of the Hill: Ken Penders storyboarded a couple of episodes. Not making this up.

But yeah, there's a ton of examples of comics people working in animation (or animation people working in comics). Very common overlap.

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



Mister Beeg posted:

Another example from King of the Hill: Ken Penders storyboarded a couple of episodes. Not making this up.

But yeah, there's a ton of examples of comics people working in animation (or animation people working in comics). Very common overlap.
Was it the one with Japanese Hank?

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Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

Endless Mike posted:

Was it the one with Japanese Hank?

The one about Luanne’s great grand mother who looked exactly like Luanne but had different bangs.

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