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I think Hot D is understanding travel distances so only nobles who are close to kings landing are going to be seen at court, so we don't see anyone fron the north or reach.
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It's a story that's spanning years, it doesn't make sense to flesh out any characters more than needed if they're not going to be around for the main bits.
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Baron Porkface posted:At this point in the show is there supposed to be more to the two factions than Houses Hightower and Valerion? Neither are great houses since Val doesn't have hydes and knights and Hightower is under the Tyrells so I don't understand how this is supposed to touch off an epic war. Not knowing a whole lot of the history of this era, but I imagine Hightower and Valerion were powerful houses in their time but eventually that power waned and other houses like the Tyrells came out on top. Kind of like how Winterfell exchanged hands between Starks and Boltons for years, I imagine not every house stays on top forever. Even ones that have dragons.
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Lord Hydronium posted:Yeah, Littlefinger is plotting to marry her to the Arryn heir so he can bump off Robert Arryn and end up with her married to the Lord of the Vale. "Hey Sansa I'm gonna marry you off to Ramsay Bolton for no good reason." "Okay, I'm totally on board with this, also for no good reason." --later-- "How dare you marry me off to Ramsay Bolton!"
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i'm expecting house valerion and hightower to get absolutely loving obliterated at some point because they are never brought up in the GOT era.
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Hightowers still run Old Town, but were vassels to the Tyrells so yea, the Dance of Dragons knocked them down a peg or two. I feel like driftmark was mentioned in Asoiaf but all I can find is Davos sales past it. I wish we would get seasons later on with the Blackfyre rebellions and such, that is probably were Targ power really starts to fall apart.
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i have heard the 'blackfyre rebellion' thing mentioned as a big cool event a couple of times over the years, my brother is hoping to see that in this show at some point. he's like 'ooft that's gonna be ugly'. i dunno why. i mean who knows. they're doing timeskips. they could come back with s4 and say guess what, whole new cast, it's now 70 years later. i don't know when the blackfyre rebellions happen, maybe it's sooner, but i think the timescale we're gonna deal with on this show is going to be different from game of thrones. they've set us up for that with years casually passing between episodes and a recast mid season 1. i'm actually looking forward to the rhaenyra recast now mostly because i'm Team Carey, but more so because I'm really curious what kind of woman rhaenyra ends up being in 10-15 years. Something the epic fantasy shows haven't really tried to do so far is portray an epic timescale and this feels like a show which is giving that a shot, so that's cool.
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The Blackfyre rebellion happens nearly a century later, so...
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roomtone posted:i have heard the 'blackfyre rebellion' thing mentioned as a big cool event a couple of times over the years, my brother is hoping to see that in this show at some point. he's like 'ooft that's gonna be ugly'. i dunno why. That's probably going to be another show actually. It's several generations after 
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Platystemon posted:Mark Addy’s Robert Baratheon was pretty great even though he never made it out of the first season. I love this performance - he nails the “let himself go” tired out, slovenly drunkard thing while still managing to covey these glimpses of the fact he was once strong, charismatic and hot headed enough to lead a successful rebellion. There’s some moment when he’s, like, forcing Ned Stark to reminisce about smashing dudes with a hammer and he almost growls about how strong he used to be and you can tell in the way he says it both how much of a force of nature the character was supposed to have once been, but also that it’s one of the only memories that still makes him feel any happiness - and it’s about crushing a dude to death.
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A Tasteful Nude posted:I love this performance - he nails the “let himself go” tired out, slovenly drunkard thing while still managing to covey these glimpses of the fact he was once strong, charismatic and hot headed enough to lead a successful rebellion. A War of the Usurper series with a prime Bobby B would be fun
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i mean recent years and current events have taught me hosed up cartoon monsters are real Now I'm sad. 
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Geoffry of House Eyppstynn
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i wouldn't get too depressed about it
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roomtone posted:i'm expecting house valerion and hightower to get absolutely loving obliterated at some point because they are never brought up in the GOT era. They are, House Velaryion is sworn to Stannis in the books the show "kinda forgot" about them
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Typo posted:They are, House Velaryion is sworn to Stannis in the books Oooff.
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Game of Thrones, but the whole cast is Tom Cruise would have been a true spectacle
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Baron Porkface posted:At this point in the show is there supposed to be more to the two factions than Houses Hightower and Valerion? Neither are great houses since Val doesn't have hydes and knights and Hightower is under the Tyrells so I don't understand how this is supposed to touch off an epic war. They aren't great Houses but they have huge prestige and influence at the present moment. House Hightower is the most powerful vassal of the Reach by several orders of magnitude, as they run the largest city in Westeros at this point which includes BOTH the seat of the religion and the seat of learning in the entire continent. Basically it's like holding the main trade port and the only university while also having the Pope in your pocket. In the books they're more or less always counted among the three wealthiest Houses. Hightower is not really under the Tyrells by any other measure than custom - the House that actually made them vassals was the House that preceded Tyrells, who were never Kings in their own right. Most Tyrell vassals are actually more powerful in land/levies/money than the Tyrells. Atm. the Queen is a Hightower. House Velaryon is the oldest ally of Targaryens even before Aegon the Conqueror, are also Valyrian, have the biggest fleet (so many Velaryons have been Master of Ships e.g. Grand Admiral of the whole kingdom that it is seen as de facto hereditary position). They are the only house besides Targaryen that has dragons. At this point they are also THE richest house thanks to the Sea Snake's crazy voyages to Westeros equivalents of Constantinople and China, where he brought so much valuable poo poo back that even the Lannisters were like "holy gently caress". He also has huge trade contacts to the East which have raised not one but two new trade towns in his island. That is why he was making GBS threads his pants over the Stepstones. Atm. the heir to the Throne is slated to be married to a Velaryon. They're arguably more powerful than any of the Great Houses as of now. DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 11:22 on Sep 16, 2022 |
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I AM GRANDO posted:Geoffry of House Eyppstynn
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Surely it’s Maxwell Hill, bastard of the Westerlands.
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In the books, House Hightower maintains its importance in the Game of Thrones era too. Mace Tyrell's wife is a daughter of the current Lord Hightower. They just don't really do much of note in the various wars beyond loyally supporting House Tyrell.
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Oldtown is kinda like the NYC to kings landing's washington DCquote:House Velaryon is the oldest ally of Targaryens even before Aegon the Conqueror so it's kinda amazing how far they had fallen by the events of GoT, when they were reduced to a minor house sworn to Dragonstone Typo fucked around with this message at 14:36 on Sep 16, 2022 |
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Browsing the book wiki, sounds like House Velaryon's reduced circumstances in Game of Thrones were a direct result of being Targaryen loyalists during Robert's Rebellion, which makes sense. Aerys II had a Velaryon lord as his Master of Ships so sounds like they were still prominent in position up until then.
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The show also heavily cut down on the secondary houses that aren’t the main characters, so houses like the Manderlys, the Hightowers, and the Florents get mentions at most.
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How many dragons are there at this point in HOTD and who has them? I kinda thought only the royal family did but then they showed the Velaryons have some too. They're such a big power factor that it'd be helpful to have a clear idea
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Tender Bender posted:How many dragons are there at this point in HOTD and who has them? I kinda thought only the royal family did but then they showed the Velaryons have some too. I believe that there are, at this point in the timeline, 4 dragonriders. We’ve seen them all, Daemon on Caraxes, Rhaenyra on Syrax, Rhaenys on Meleys, and Laenor on Seasmoke We know of at least one riderless dragon, Vhagar, former mount of the conqueror Visenya. Platystemon fucked around with this message at 17:10 on Sep 16, 2022 |
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There’s also a couple of riderless dragons chilling on dragonstone, like Aegon the conqueror’s dragon Balerion
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ruddiger posted:There’s also a couple of riderless dragons chilling on dragonstone, like Aegon the conqueror’s dragon Balerion Balerion is dead. Viserys rode him for like a single year. There’s a scene with his skull in the first or second episode. Something that everyone in universe would know: Dragonstone does have more dragons, but I forget if the show revealed them.
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Are people forgetting that Gerold Hightower was one of the kingsguard at the Tower of Joy? That’s the only time they mention that house’s name in GoT.
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Vegetable posted:Are people forgetting that Gerold Hightower was one of the kingsguard at the Tower of Joy? That’s the only time they mention that house’s name in GoT. I try to forget as much of the Tower of Joy scene as I can
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There are 18 dragons alive at this point, including several wild dragons living on Dragonstone. This article lists them all but has spoilers for who their future riders will be, so beware. EDIT: So people don't need to spoil themselves to see the names of the dragons Syrax (Princess Rhaenyra) Caraxes (Daemon) Seasmoke (Laenor Velaryon) Meleys - "The Red Queen" (Rhaenys Targaryen) Tessarion - "The Blue Queen" (unridden) Dreamfyre (unridden) (also likely the mother to Dany's three dragons) Vhagar (unridden) (the last of the original three dragons that conquered the 6 kingdoms) Sunfyre (unridden) Vermithor (unridden) Silverwing (unridden) Sheepstealer, Cannibal, and Grey Ghost (wild dragons living on Dragonstone) There are a few others but I'm not sure if they've been hatched yet at this point in the story. Anonymous Zebra fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Sep 16, 2022 |
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If there’s one thing this show and the old one absolutely nailed it’s the sound of the dragons. Their screeching has always been real freaky to me, top notch sound effect work.
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BigglesSWE posted:If there’s one thing this show and the old one absolutely nailed it’s the sound of the dragons. Their screeching has always been real freaky to me, top notch sound effect work. I do like the visual look of the dragons. Hard to explain but they seem more reptilian and primal than most depictions of dragons, a connection to an older world. I stopped watching GOT way before they got big but (especially with Caraxes) every time one shows up in this show everyone is making GBS threads their pants. Can't wait for Vhagar, who at this point is near as big as Balerion was. I also like that they have the Dragonguard speaking Old Valyrian and maybe even being from Essos (Dragons having more affinity to those with even little Valyrian blood, like Brown Ben Plumm who was like 1/150th Targaryen). DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 16:34 on Sep 17, 2022 |
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The Dragonpit was a folly and should never have been built.
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bobjr posted:The show also heavily cut down on the secondary houses that aren’t the main characters, so houses like the Manderlys, the Hightowers, and the Florents get mentions at most. Yeah, they didn't do the best job of it, but there were far too many houses and people to remember even after they jettisoned and combined some.
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Platystemon posted:The Dragonpit was a folly and should never have been built. It’s certainly no Cloaca Maxima.
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