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Rickshaw posted:I decided to figure out how to run Deus Ex on my M1 max macbook pro, since I recently had luck running Thief and some other old games. Porting kit wine skins have given me some good results with other old games (and doesn't require a license like parallels or crossover) but Deus Ex seems to slow to a crawl with default settings. I tried tuning the wine wrapper with my limited ability, but without much luck. Try the Kentie’s dx10 renderer instead https://kentie.net/article/d3d10drv/index.htm. Deus Exe on that website might be worth trying as well.
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Thanks! I tried Deus Exe after reading the OP, but it seems it hasn't impacted performance at all. I will try out Kentie's Dx10.
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Aug 26, 2022 20:15
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you're supposed to use kentie's launcher with the new renderer. it's not an either/or
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Aug 26, 2022 20:24
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Ah well, launching with Kentie's Direct3D 10 renderer fails with the message "Initializing Direct3D failed"; I note Kentie's page lists among requirements installing a required DirectX update dxwebsetup.exe, but this fails in the wine wrapper (log suggests this is because DownloadDXUpdate() failed). Overall, I'm in over my head. You'd think there'd be more info on the web about running this in wine on a modern mac. I'm continuing to poke around. edit: I figured out how to install the directX update by avoiding dxwebsetup.exe and finding instead directx_Jun2010_redist. Running this in the wineskin to extract files, then after that running DXSETUP.exe to install DirectX runtime components. But running with Kentie's Direct3D 10 renderer results in the same error as above. edit2: spent some time mucking around with winetricks, d3d dlls, vulkan stuff, wine config library overrides, with no luck. Probably gonna give up on this for now. edit3: removed all dll overrides, and changed my wine engine to WS11WineCX21.20 and it launched! But everything outside of menus is a black screen. edit4: it sounds like the problem is there just isn't a DirectX to Vulkan to Metal support, or something like that. giving up on this for now. Rickshaw fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Aug 26, 2022 |
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Aug 26, 2022 20:32
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FrancisFukyomama posted:Has anyone tried the HR mode in revision? I’ve been trying to find info on it and it sounds like it’s unique to revision, and replaces skills and the vanilla augs with HR style aug trees. Sorta curious how it works in practice considering numerical skills everyone seems to have decided we’re a bad idea since there hasn’t been an immersive sim to feature them since deus ex
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Aug 27, 2022 02:21
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Has anyone here played Dex? The reason that I ask is that it's free on GOG at the moment and multiple people have referred to it is a light, 2D Deus Ex.
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Aug 27, 2022 17:29
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I did. Wrote up a review and a short "before I play".
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Aug 27, 2022 19:52
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Xander77 posted:I did. Thank you. I'll have a peek.
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Aug 27, 2022 21:36
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Xander77 posted:I did. I concur with both of those—it’s fun enough to play once and hacking skills are optimal.
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Aug 27, 2022 23:14
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I found a detailed how-to ostensibly for getting DX to run on mac with wineskin, with new vision / kenzie / D3D 10: https://grafxflow.co.uk/blog/game-reviews/install-deus-ex-goty-wineskin-on-mac I will be trying this out sometime in the near future when I feel up to it. I think it's important to document this stuff because this is the best game of all time.
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Alright, so here's what I've found. The above guide is a little outdated, recommends specific wine engines that are deprecated, some options and dialogues are different, etc, but overall one can follow the instructions. The guide recommends the updated OpenGL renderer from New Vision mod, not Direct3D or Direct3D 10. I used wine engine WS11WineCX21.2.0, wrapper version 2.9.1.1 . The end result has no better performance than my previous experiments which were mostly using porting kit. I.e.: Direct3D performance is unplayable, OpenGL is better but still choppy. New Vision textures are working. I can launch the game with Direct3D 10 renderer, but like before it only renders menus, everything else is blank. The main reason for this seems to be: code:https://github.com/Gcenx/WineskinServer#directx-support quote:DirectX support This is a little confusing but I think it means: for 32-bit apps, you can only do up to DirectX 9, and support exists in wine out of the box. This means the Direct3D default renderer works, as I've found. For DirectX 10 and 11, you can use winetricks to install DXVK (directx -> vulkan) and moltenVK (vulkan -> mac os metal), but this only works for 64 bit apps, i.e. WS11WineCX64bit21.2.0. I tried, and Deus Ex won't work in a 64 bit wrapper, almost certainly because it's a 32 bit app. This means that the updated DirectX renderers from kintie / new vision don't work, as I've found. Now, for the good news: if I launch windowed at a lower resolution like 1280 x 800, and then zoom the window in wine, the game is totally playable. It's not running at 60fps or anything, but I can accurately run up and melee people. The only problem I've found is in the security camera hacking screen where multiple cameras are rendered at once, here FPS drop considerably. So I think it's time to start a real play-through and prod with the prod!!!
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Thanks for documenting that stuff, it's good to see a solution to a problem posted rather than "I fixed it, thanks" 
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JustJeff88 posted:Has anyone here played Dex? The reason that I ask is that it's free on GOG at the moment and multiple people have referred to it is a light, 2D Deus Ex. thanks for the tip, i played it over the weekend, and i think it's pretty fun. Xander77 posted:I did. i found your posts very helpful, tyvm xander seventy seven!
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Casimir Radon posted:This guy speculates that the Ocean Lab is really a repurposed Moon Base they decided to change because the technical limitations would have made it look dumb. Honestly, what seals the deal for me are the textures on the crater. Like, mind = blown.
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Aug 30, 2022 19:29
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Already finding things on this playthrough that I haven't seen before. Underwater rat!
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Sep 5, 2022 00:34
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Is... is he okay? Do animals drown in DX? He's got bubbles.
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Sep 5, 2022 05:40
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His lungs are augmented.
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Sep 5, 2022 05:59
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I felt so bad first time I played when I stepped on and killed one of the French woman’s cats who wants you to take care of the greasels
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Sep 5, 2022 06:02
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The rat creates bubbles yes. And a minute later it died. Greatest game of all time
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Sep 5, 2022 06:44
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What a rotten way to die. He was a good rat.
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Sep 5, 2022 10:06
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I've been playing mankind divided for the first time, and...i kinda wish they didn't front load the side stuff so much? like i got back from the dubai intro mission and then spent the next 9 hours doing side quests and exploring Prague before even stepping foot in the taskforce 29 building to start the story
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site posted:I've been playing mankind divided for the first time, and...i kinda wish they didn't front load the side stuff so much? like i got back from the dubai intro mission and then spent the next 9 hours doing side quests and exploring Prague before even stepping foot in the taskforce 29 building to start the story Makes sense, in a way: the game ends pretty abruptly at what was meant to be the halfway point.
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A Twitch friend of mine is playing Deus Ex for the very first time ever and streaming their misadventures https://www.twitch.tv/karkalla they aren't streaming today, but will be live tomorrow at 10am pacific time. Their goal is to get through the entire game with no hints or help, just figuring out the entire thing on their own.
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aniviron posted:What a rotten way to die. He was a good rat. yeah. rip.
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Rat a shame.
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Just here to announce I’m on my first replay of Deus Ex and holy poo poo I had no idea how much it improves on replay. I liked it a ton the first time but revisiting it after like 7 years it’s blowing me away how much detail in the levels I missed and how incredible the music is. I got to the naval base and stopped there and have just been listening to the soundtrack again up to that point. Especially amazed by the conversation/combat tracks that you hear so little of during normal gameplay. Tremendous video game.
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Yeah the replayability is through the roof. Sometimes I end up doing the same old poo poo, sometimes I just blow up every door I see. It rules.
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I was still finding new things after like a dozen replays. It's nuts. Also considering the fact that it's really a linear game, it just doesn't feel like it.
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are any of the Jensen's stories on mankind divided any good? despite the hilariously abrupt end I've put enough hours into it that I'm burnt out on it, but if any of them are worth it I'd rather power through and do it before i uninstall and put this away for a long time
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The DLCs are great. One's a giant bank heist, the other you're in a prison to do... something, I forget. But it was good.
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Play the Prison one and never unlock your augs again and pretend that you're playing Thief and ENJOY
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jeeves posted:Play the Prison one and never unlock your augs again and pretend that you're playing Thief and ENJOY I did this. I hosed everything up and savescummed incessantly locking myself into failstates at least a half-dozen times. It was the best goddamn gaming experience Ive had in years.
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The prison DLC is awesome, the bank is pretty decent. The bank feels like cut content, and the other other mission which is not as good is definitely cut content.
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PrisonDLC being all one giant level with no load screens was like :hellzeah: Then realizing it was probably the last Deus Ex content ever made for the next decade or more: :ohnoez: Especially since the PrisonDLC's overall story is kind of inferring that you have implanted memories since you're obviously not the same Adam Jensen as in HR, as other story beats in the non-DLC game allude to.
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It's always like that for DLC because it includes people who didn't buy the DLC in the percentage.
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Yea, MD didn't do anyone any favors with its nakedly greedy launch DLCs, I can understand people not wanting to go back and spend more money on the game after that ending. Heck, I didn't. edit: My favorite bit was that lovely loving vault that uses radial selection, which was clearly bolted on by another team as part of the DLC shove-in. edit2: And I liked the game. Serephina fucked around with this message at 20:29 on Sep 16, 2022 |
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MD also had the cash shop on launch, where you could buy praxis etc. for cash. Gross. Not sure if that's still online or not, but it left a bad taste in a lot of peoples' mouths. Also the first and last thirds of the game were missing.
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okay yeah the tarvos security dlc was definitely cut from the main game, both just because of it's place in the story and the fact that it's the only dlc that doesn't have any achievements.Serephina posted:edit: My favorite bit was that lovely loving vault that uses radial selection, which was clearly bolted on by another team as part of the DLC shove-in. i really hated that puzzle finally totally done with md. rip deus ex franchise
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I suspect that the blade heist was also cut but probably a lot earlier in development, and it was scaled back into the bank heist that is in the main game. There is dialogue referencing the bank that the DLC sends you to which suggests that it was meant to appear. At least the bank DLC wound up being pretty cool, and has its own area and feels pretty worthwhile. The Tarvos DLC was blatantly ripped out of the game though, yeah. I assume it was just not finished in time, but who knows?
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