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I don’t speak Russian other than taking A1/A2 classes on it like a decade ago, but I do speak other languages with strict grammatical rules. A thing that English speakers need to keep in mind is that English allows you to be very loose on grammar and word choice etc because there is no authority that says “English must be this way,” but this isn’t the case for other languages. Famous example from German is the word for girl has a grammatical neutral gender (“it”) instead of a grammatical female gender. I assure you no Germans think that girls are “its” even if they use the correct neutral gender in speech and writing. My point is I don’t think it’s meaningful to look at these word usages in other languages and translate them into a second language, especially one that doesn’t have the same grammar and rules, and use that as a gotcha.
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Sep 17, 2022 11:28
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Keisari posted:Yes, sure, I agree. But on that mission to try to glean that knowledge people, and I mean analysts, sometimes grab onto small things and interpret too much out of it. The restless leg one was interesting, as well as his disappearance, the longer tables and poor posture too. But there are many, many other explanations for this one such as a slip. It is also possible that it was just a slip-up, but it doesn't seem like one he would make. To use a (bad) example, it would be like a KiwiFarms poster slipping up and getting his newly transitioned sister's pronouns right. edited for more clarity Cable Guy fucked around with this message at 11:40 on Sep 17, 2022 |
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Boris Galerkin posted:I don’t speak Russian other than taking A1/A2 classes on it like a decade ago, but I do speak other languages with strict grammatical rules. That's the point, in Russian saying 'na Ukraine' is seen as belittling Ukraine's statehood compared to 'v Ukraine' which is more in line with how you talk about independent countries in general. https://theconversation.com/its-ukraine-not-the-ukraine-heres-why-178748 quote:So, does Putin say na Ukraine – “in the Ukraine” – or v Ukraine (“in Ukraine”)? In a subtle twist of diplomacy, the English-language translations of Putin’s recent addresses have him describing “the events in Ukraine”, even though he says “na Ukraine” in Russian throughout his addresses.
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I think there was enough coming out of that gathering that suggests Putin is under pressure without resorting to that sort of stuff. India and China publicly pushing back a bit against the war is a political blow to Putin and suggests he's probably on a timeline before Russia loses a couple of it's most powerful backers. A bunch of leaders making a point of keep Putin waiting seems petty but in diplomatic circles that poo poo can carry a lot of weight and sends a pretty strong message. It's pretty obvious at this point that this is going to be either an indefinite quagmire (and indefinite sanctions) or a Ukrainian victory barring an absolutely calamitous collapse by Ukraine. I'd suggest there's more than a few nations that are starting to feel the collateral damage caused by the sanctions and would like to have the cause of the sanctions resolved.
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Absolutely heartbreaking to keep in mind there’s tens of thousands boys and girls like this, and for what, the delusions of 1 mad man 
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Sep 17, 2022 12:05
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Alchenar posted:Russia speakers, pop-psychology set aside, is this accurate on the linguistics point? Addressing both tweets - Tpyxa is technically correct, but functionally misrepresents the message. This is Putin addressing the Chinese delegation with his assurances that he's aware of their reservations regarding the war, and that Russia is not the warmonger of it. Concerning Ohra_aho's tweet, while I don't necessarily agree with the characterization of Putin as nervous/humiliated/desperate there, he only gets the article “right” from the 3rd attempt. For Russian commentators, this was a noteworthy talking point when this first surfaced. To me, the gaffe could be explained simply by him being almost 70 and probably spending a few months this year being up his tits on stimulants, including some very recent events, perhaps. Nenonen posted:What's missing is evidence of what articles Putin has used previously. But he does look rather tired compared to most appearances that I have witnessed. It must be stressful planning your routes in Kremlin so that you only go through rooms with no windows. It's na/on normally, he's quite consistent in his condescension.
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Sep 17, 2022 12:07
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Pinky Artichoke posted:Yes and no. One of the points he makes in this week's lectures is that historians expected Kyiv to fold because they've learned about what Ukraine is through the Russian lens, which emphasizes it as kind of a subsidiary entity...like Ukraine just transferred custody of the Kievan Rus legacy to Moscow and then hung around awaiting further instruction. Snyder's whole thing is that he reads a bunch of regional languages and synthesizes things from disparate primary sources.
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OddObserver posted:On broader topic re: perspective in Academia, there was a Twitter discussion a while back where a scholar of Kazakhstan told about how when she was a Ph.D. student all the professors and her classmates were shocked that she... learned Kazakh and worked with Kazakh sources when studying the history of the country; everyone else thought it was sufficient to just know Russian. This is such a spot on observation. 
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OddObserver posted:On broader topic re: perspective in Academia, there was a Twitter discussion a while back where a scholar of Kazakhstan told about how when she was a Ph.D. student all the professors and her classmates were shocked that she... learned Kazakh and worked with Kazakh sources when studying the history of the country; everyone else thought it was sufficient to just know Russian. Even in Russian history you only get so far with mastering only modern Russian. For older archival materials you need church slavonic, French, German and so on, and you have to be expert graphologist too unless someone else has kindly transcribed everything already.
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Finland/Sweden NATO ratification progress report:  Slovakia should make it 28/30 within a couple of weeks after which there's only Hungary and Turkey left. Of course, Turkey will drag it out for months at least. https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/com...s-the-alliance/ Zat fucked around with this message at 12:49 on Sep 17, 2022 |
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The mass graves should suprise no one, RIA novosti filmed a segment about making them. There are even bigger ones in Mariupol.
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LochNessMonster posted:Absolutely heartbreaking to keep in mind there’s tens of thousands boys and girls like this, and for what, the delusions of 1 mad man This is quite a few pages back but I just had some time to look into it: It's been years since I seriously played a flight sim so I wanted to refresh a bit how HARMs are operated. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1g3SHJG8gtw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jz1ADUK6REQ&t=142s We've seen they have some kind of tablet stuck in the cockpit but it it's not clear what it actually does, though it looks like some sort of a map or radar scope  There are 3 possible modes for the missile: POS Fire at pre-determined coordinates, and look for a specific type of target around there HAS (Harm as Sensor): This lets you see what the missile sensor detects (while still attached) and use that to select and target active radars HTS: Harm targeting system, but this requires an extra targeting pod which they don't seem to have Theoretically, I don't see why the tablet wouldn't be able to fully operate the missile in either of the first two modes, completely replicating what you'd have on the MFDs. Again, no idea what it really does but from that photo it seems more complex than just arm/fire buttons or something minimal like that. The first mode only really needs to tell the missile the coordinates and track when they're within range. Then you just point in the right direction and fire. The second one would be more involved as you're receiving the sensor data from the missile, but it's probably not rocket science either, I'm guessing it's just an analog signal that can be captured and displayed on the tablet. Then just tell the missile what you're targeting. Zat posted:Finland/Sweden NATO ratification progress report:
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Sep 17, 2022 13:43
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I know Turkey is basically playing hardball to satisfy Erdogan’s lust for Kurdish death, so in principle he’ll eventually have to agree or he’ll lose whatever awful concessions he’s managed to extract. But Orban’s motivation here is basically that he’s a dictator trying to align Hungary to Russia, right? If he denies accession, what recourse does the rest of NATO have?
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pumpinglemma posted:I know Turkey is basically playing hardball to satisfy Erdogan’s lust for Kurdish death, so in principle he’ll eventually have to agree or he’ll lose whatever awful concessions he’s managed to extract. But Orban’s motivation here is basically that he’s a dictator trying to align Hungary to Russia, right? If he denies accession, what recourse does the rest of NATO have? If he denies accession, there’s no immediate recourse. That said, Orban is an opportunist, rather than someone suicidal enough to try to spite American MIC out of two more client states.
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Sep 17, 2022 15:00
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cinci zoo sniper posted:If he denies accession, there’s no immediate recourse. That said, Orban is an opportunist, rather than someone suicidal enough to try to spite American MIC out of two more client states. also pissing off the entire rest of europe for lulz is not a great idea.
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Sep 17, 2022 15:03
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cinci zoo sniper posted:If he denies accession, there’s no immediate recourse. That said, Orban is an opportunist, rather than someone suicidal enough to try to spite American MIC out of two more client states. Seriously what good would it be for a European country, no matter how regressive, to keep sucking Putin's dick after all this? People are starting to think he won't even be in power in a couple of years, which was unimaginable in earlier this year. I think Putin has poo poo on Orban.
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A rather interesting write up on ideology of Russian genocidal (a thread -- I am quoting some but not all of it): https://mobile.twitter.com/notabanderite/status/1571123989954826242 https://mobile.twitter.com/notabanderite/status/1571126146204585984 https://mobile.twitter.com/notabanderite/status/1571126693317996544
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I wonder if there's anyone in Russian command thinking about the fact that they're slaughtering and terrorising all the Russian speaking areas of Ukraine. Rather than cleansing Ukraine of nationalists, they've almost certainly removed all Russian support from the most sympathetic parts of the country. The war is own goals for Russia everywhere you turn.
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Chalks posted:I wonder if there's anyone in Russian command thinking about the fact that they're slaughtering and terrorising all the Russian speaking areas of Ukraine. Rather than cleansing Ukraine of nationalists, they've almost certainly removed all Russian support from the most sympathetic parts of the country. That's assuming they actually care about the people there and don't just want to steal and ethnically cleanse the place, in which case it's a worthy sacrifice
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Young Freud posted:Seriously what good would it be for a European country, no matter how regressive, to keep sucking Putin's dick after all this? People are starting to think he won't even be in power in a couple of years, which was unimaginable in earlier this year. The thing to recognize here is that Hungary is a failing state economically. Since it has been Orban running the show for a bit over 20 years now, the unravelling of deeply entrenched Russian energy supplies or EU subsidies would kill his party, and everything he's worked for. There'll be no one else to blame for that. And he has accordingly been exchanging favours with Russia and playing into the structural weaknesses of the EU, to maintain the charade.
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Young Freud posted:Seriously what good would it be for a European country, no matter how regressive, to keep sucking Putin's dick after all this? People are starting to think he won't even be in power in a couple of years, which was unimaginable in earlier this year. Orban wants the gas to flow for as long as possible. Hungary getting cut off from cheap Russian gas would devastate Orban's core voters. The inflation is going to hit hard enough as it is - as is the looming threat of EU funds being cut off. Cinci mentioned the US MIC earlier - while it is certainly true that royally pissing off the main US political establishment is a really bad idea, I do think he's far more worried about EU retribution. As it is he can lean into the hesitancy of some EU countries when it comes to sanctions and burning bridges towards Russia - he can also use the Hungarian votes in EU and NATO as a much needed bargaining chip. He also has a voter base that is quite pro-Russia and anti-EU, so he benefits from keeping up the defiant posturing (which is a vicious circle entrenching his voter base in said bias). I don't think he expects any payoff from Kremlin itself. He is no fool and can see what the geo-political landscape of Europe looks like right now. In a post-Putin world, perhaps, Hungary stands to benefit from being poised to restablish economic and political relations asap. But currently? It's all posturing and bargaining. If he actually had any faith in the alliance (or there is kompromat to the same effect), he could have been much more of a pain when it comes to obstructing sanctions and aid. Also note how much time and energy he devotes to building relations with US Republicans. He's positioning himself as a key EU ally for a future Republican president. Depending on the endgame of this war and the upcoming US presidential election, he could come out in an extremely good position to benefit from good relation with post-Putin Russia and a Republican USA. It doesn't even hurt him too much if the president isn't republican. He's also keeping his support of Ukraine at a level where he is not openly hostile and could pivot to a position of being a helpful neighbor in the case of a major Ukrainian victory. I really don't like Orban, but he has played his hand reasonably well so far - balancing bargaining power, public perception, future relations to Russia, opportunistically entrenching his pseudo-autocracy, etc. He knows that if EU unity and economic integration falls apart, Hungary does not stand to benefit, so he's not doing actual sabotage. He's just being an opportunist who has lucked upon the special status of being an autocrat within the the European Union, something which it isn't at all designed to handle, and which I am not sure is fixable until a harsh economic recession and/or the Hungarian people themselves fix it.
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OddObserver posted:A rather interesting write up on ideology of Russian genocidal (a thread -- I am quoting some but not all of it): It's an old post, maybe back from the time of Russia's 'gesture of goodwill' near Kyiv, because the channel now has 37k subscriber, and there's only 26k on the screenshot. While general interest in the 'special military operation' in Russian is on the decline even among the people who nominally support it, the more radical far right groups get more attention. More and more people think the war is not going according to plan, but instead of realising the war was a mistake from the start and shouldn't have happened, they are being funnelled to the Russian far right who criticise its implementation, and maybe even Putin, and call for escalation. That's also why it's important to have the more mainstream propagandists on TV echo this rhetoric to both appropriate it, and make sure that even if people stop watching TV, they'll be more inclined to radicalise in the right direction. Also, the [not the time yet] (пока не время) in that post means Jews. I've been seeing it used a lot, so I guess far right influencers think telegram has some kind of automatic alert when someone says kikes (жиды) too often, and they're playing coy not to get their channels removed.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:The thing to recognize here is that Hungary is a failing state economically. Since it has been Orban running the show for a bit over 20 years now, the unravelling of deeply entrenched Russian energy supplies or EU subsidies would kill his party, and everything he's worked for. There'll be no one else to blame for that. And he has accordingly been exchanging favours with Russia and playing into the structural weaknesses of the EU, to maintain the charade. The interesting part is that Ukraine controls the gas shipments. The pipelines that transport Russian gas to Hungary, which are critically important for the Hungarian economy, run smack right through the entire length of central Ukraine. Ukraine allows Russia to transit the gas, even in the middle of the war, because they are siphoning the gas they need themselves from the line. And Russia cannot prevent this because it's the only way to get gas to Orban, who they really don't want to cut off. Once Ukraine has other viable supplies, they can just decide to not allow transshipment anymore, or just hike the charges/proportion they siphon up.
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Young Freud posted:
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The X-man cometh posted:Has Putin ever released kompromat on anyone? Right now Orban could just say it's deepfakes made by a country desperate to stay relevant. There's no reason anyway to believe that Putin is blackmailing Orban when it is clear that Hungary needs that sweet, sweet natural gas. Speaking of which, Greenpeace blocked the unloading of a shipment of Russian LNG to northern Finnish port of Tornio today. quote:Activists from the environmental organisation Greenpeace have blocked the unloading of Russian liquefied natural gas (LNG) at the port of Röyttä in Tornio on Saturday.
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Paladinus posted:Also, the [not the time yet] (пока не время) in that post means Jews. I've been seeing it used a lot, so I guess far right influencers think telegram has some kind of automatic alert when someone says kikes (жиды) too often, and they're playing coy not to get their channels removed.  Speaking of planes, I remember early on there were a lot of discussion about how to hand over airplanes to Ukraine without flying them from NATO territory (as if that actually mattered somehow but w/e). This video talks a bit about how this company got like 30 F-16s from Israel. Undo 16 bolts on each wing, take them off, stick the body in a plane (RIP Mriya) or on a truck/train https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34Sa0vzmBfs Nenonen posted:There's no reason anyway to believe that Putin is blackmailing Orban when it is clear that Hungary needs that sweet, sweet natural gas.
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mobby_6kl posted:Lol. What will happen if they just don't pay? Are they going to invade? There's laws and stuff.
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mobby_6kl posted:Ah, they saved the best for last Turkey has also been super bitchy about Greece lately, demanding them to demilitarise certain islands and saying that they Greece should never have been admitted to NATO.
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Tarezax posted:I think you're misunderstanding the post. They're implying that the ammo will be returned business end first, aka shooting it back Alright I'm an idiot
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Nenonen posted:Turkey has also been super bitchy about Greece lately, demanding them to demilitarise certain islands and saying that they Greece should never have been admitted to NATO. It’s the other way around, given the path that Turkey has decided to go down.
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https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1571205985598951426 Gun battle with partisans? Chalks fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Sep 17, 2022 |
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Jamsque posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om_A5TTQMm0 I meant to say something earlier but will say it now. That was a great recommendation and a nice aside from the war coverage. The first few lectures priming the class for historical analysis was very esoteric, but it seems it will be more concrete with each coming lecture.
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Chalks posted:https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1571205985598951426
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Some more footage here https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1571208714866016256 Either their overreacting massively, or they've got a serious fight on their hands. Seems the fire is going both ways at least https://twitter.com/DefMon3/status/1571211948242489353
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I call it "Turkiye"
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Chalks posted:Some more footage here Confirmation of this earlier post? ZombieLenin posted:I hope this is real.
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https://twitter.com/trbrtc/status/1570864032672026624 https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1570864032672026624.html Enjoy posted:Confirmation of this earlier post? That post didn’t look convincing back then, and the videos don’t do anything to corroborate it.
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Enjoy posted:Confirmation of this earlier post? It's a possibility - but it would have to be a separate incident from the one referenced in this tweet from 6 days ago. Russian media is reporting a "counter-terrorism operation" in Kherson so that sounds like it's partisans - assuming they're talking about the fighting we're seeing.
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