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skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.
Much has been said about Russian corruption ruining their readiness and attriting their force before it's ever even activated.


In the US the corruption does the same, it just happens higher up in the chain and is institutionalized rather than some skeevy colonel selling stuff out the back. We just have enough money to throw at the grifters that some effective stuff does make it through or we have older stuff that isn't as beshitted. Oligarchs don't need to skim off the stockpiles at the bases if they can skim from the whole procurement process, to the point where we have entire platform that existed solely seemingly just for embezzlement reasons, like the LCS Freedom or I-hawk or even the F-35.

I guess they're either banking on the -35 outclassing everyone just by being newer than what anybody else can put out, or not having to use them beyond plinking at hospitals and teenagers from 32,000 feet.


Like the rot is so entrenched, leaving aside the concern that the rot is the point, that IIRC the army wanted to just design the new IFV in house like they used to do and not have to deal with everyone bullshit, and then arms dealers loving sued asserting their right to submit bids and do their grifts.

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Palladium
May 8, 2012

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skooma512 posted:

I guess they're either banking on the -35 outclassing everyone just by being newer than what anybody else can put out, or not having to use them beyond plinking at hospitals and teenagers from 32,000 feet.

IIRC one of the few "combat" missions of the F-35 involved bombing a goatherder tent while being escorted by fleet of oilers, which is the equivalent of a dozen babysitters taking a special needs child to school


skooma512 posted:

Like the rot is so entrenched, leaving aside the concern that the rot is the point, that IIRC the army wanted to just design the new IFV in house like they used to do and not have to deal with everyone bullshit, and then arms dealers loving sued asserting their right to submit bids and do their grifts.

Perhaps in the last century when the military still have sensible independent policy, but not now in the gigantic revolving door of public-private sector grifts

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

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BMP-3 is your light tank that can serve many roles and is cheap.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
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Real hurthling! posted:

isnt bradley too tall for a tank? or was that merkava? one of them i know is famous for being too tall and begging to get its squad rocketed



It is a troop... transport...

LegoMan
Mar 17, 2002

ting ting ting

College Slice

gradenko_2000 posted:



It is a troop... transport...

haha, how different is the Bradley from what ended up being the final result at the end of the movie?

LegoMan
Mar 17, 2002

ting ting ting

College Slice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXQ2lO3ieBA

i loved this movie

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




its great

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

Danann posted:

bmp-3s somehow fit a clown car's worth of weaponry so maybe i'll look at how they made that work

Thats probably a better basis but Ameirca is incapable of making something as useful as the BMP series, as evidences by the Bradley. I just picked it as the basis for a light tank since we already have it in theory modifications to turn it into a tank should be cheaper than building something new. Though you could probably cut the hull in half to bring the height down. Though the Bradley is only like a foot taller than the Abrams. Though I guess at this point were making so many modifications we might as well go new

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




its taller than a 70 ton rolling block of ceramic ablative armor or whatever and its a glorified tin can full of cannon shells for no reason

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

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The BMP-3 also started as a light tank project and became more practical and capable through the process. State Design Bureaus work I guess.

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

Frosted Flake posted:

The BMP-3 also started as a light tank project and became more practical and capable through the process. State Design Bureaus work I guess.

But some General really needed a job at Raytheon so usless garbage it is for the West

Filthy Hans
Jun 27, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 10 years!)


this link sent me down a bit of a YouTube rabbit hole and there's a lot of criticism of this movie; here's the most sympathetic analysis I found:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjVhGxr4CNs

there are a bunch of videos about how the main character is completely misrepresented and how the actual guy was a habitual liar



I saw the movie when it came out and loved it, there's nothing wrong with it as a farce even if it isn't historically accurate

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
I think the disagreement is where the Bradley was a “fine vehicle” when it was taken out of service during the Iraq war.

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003
I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.
Soiled Meat
I’m not sure where else to ask but did the Ukraine thread disappear?

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
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Steve Yun posted:

I’m not sure where else to ask but did the Ukraine thread disappear?

The thread title is currently WARIO'S WOODS

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

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Ardennes posted:

I think the disagreement is where the Bradley was a “fine vehicle” when it was taken out of service during the Iraq war.

Melting down into pools of aluminum was novel, at least.

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

Я выдуман напрочь
The Bradley is a monster in Gunner Heat PC. Just chews through my t-55s

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

ContinuityNewTimes posted:

The Bradley is a monster in Gunner Heat PC. Just chews through my t-55s

When you get down to it, BTR with more modern sights could do the same thing (although I don’t know why your T-55s don’t out range it).

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

Ardennes posted:

When you get down to it, BTR with more modern sights could do the same thing (although I don’t know why your T-55s don’t out range it).

TOWs, maybe?

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

Я выдуман напрочь
It's the TOWs and the t-55 has a garbage sight and no fancy rangefinder

500excf type r
Mar 7, 2013

I'm as annoying as the high-pitched whine of my motorcycle, desperately compensating for the lack of substance in my life.
Didn't the Russians not give it the ability to see farther than it can shoot, something like 2km, because you don't need see what you can't shoot

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/snekotron/status/1571172118720614405

https://twitter.com/snekotron/status/1571175869581856771

did not know that the abrams' top armor is actually more vulnerable to top attack than the soviet tanks

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

KomradeX posted:

TOWs, maybe?

I would say the issue is hitting a moving target with them, they whiffed all the time in Syria. Also, in combat, the Bradley is going to have two tries max with them since there isn’t going to be enough time to reload. I would say it is more the game even if the t-55 is going to have obsolete sights will 3-4Km range during the day, and it doesn’t really have to worry about armor penetration since it is firing into aluminum.

The one real advantage is at night, where the Bradley would have a much easier time with its thermal sights.

Ardennes has issued a correction as of 19:41 on Sep 17, 2022

500excf type r
Mar 7, 2013

I'm as annoying as the high-pitched whine of my motorcycle, desperately compensating for the lack of substance in my life.

Ardennes posted:

I would say the issue is hitting a moving target with them, they whiffed all the time in Syria. Also, in combat, the Bradley is going to have two tries max with them since there isn’t going to be enough time to reload. I would say it is more the game even if the t-55 is going to have obsolete sights will 3-4Km range during the day, and it doesn’t really have to worry about armor penetration since it is firing into aluminum.

The one real advantage is at night, where the Bradley would have a much easier time with its thermal sights.

Maybe on an m2 Bradley but m3 crews are absolutely trained timed and certified reloading tows

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

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500excf type r posted:

Didn't the Russians not give it the ability to see farther than it can shoot, something like 2km, because you don't need see what you can't shoot

It’s partly that optics are extremely expensive, and that research showed average combat ranges were going to be under 400m.

Ardennes posted:

The one real advantage is at night, where the Bradley would have a much easier time with its thermal sights.

They did put a lot of work into developing very good passive night vision optics while NATO moved to thermal imaging, which is interesting. I can’t remember the reasons why but I believe it had something to do with electronics.

500excf type r
Mar 7, 2013

I'm as annoying as the high-pitched whine of my motorcycle, desperately compensating for the lack of substance in my life.
One is light amplification and the other is complicated AF and requires ultra cooled liquids and poo poo so that makes a lot of sense to me from the more practically oriented russians

Filthy Hans
Jun 27, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 10 years!)

Ardennes posted:

I think the disagreement is where the Bradley was a “fine vehicle” when it was taken out of service during the Iraq war.

I think the fact that it didn't have air conditioning and people were going into heat stroke or actually dying in it in the desert was the issue then

Pryor on Fire
May 14, 2013

they don't know all alien abduction experiences can be explained by people thinking saving private ryan was a documentary

The bradley was very vulnerable to ieds as well, they bolted on extra bottom armor a couple times without much success.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Pryor on Fire posted:

The bradley was very vulnerable to ieds as well, they bolted on extra bottom armor a couple times without much success.

There were also easily by rpgs. The Bradley’s core purpose is a battletaxi, so if it can’t conduct that role, it isn’t that useful.

The US army also purposely took out the water tanks inside the Bradley.

Ardennes has issued a correction as of 12:08 on Sep 18, 2022

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May 8, 2012

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Filthy Hans posted:

I think the fact that it didn't have air conditioning and people were going into heat stroke or actually dying in it in the desert was the issue then

asians have been using microwave-sized window mounted aircon units since forever lol

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

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https://nationalinterest.org/feature/want-solve-america%E2%80%99s-recruiting-crisis-recruit-foreigners-204260

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May 8, 2012

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alliances is weird way to spell colonialism

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021
tbf nepal was an independent country, and the UK has a brigade's worth of gurkha soldiers currently.

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

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I'm hearing the UK's economy is crashing faster than everyone else's, perhaps their young men could be encouraged to take up arms for Uncle Sam?

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

A Buttery Pastry posted:

I'm hearing the UK's economy is crashing faster than everyone else's, perhaps their young men could be encouraged to take up arms for Uncle Sam?

the us army should just kidnap people from England for soldiers. as speakers of the English language they have a duty to serve Joe Biden

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
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Rutibex posted:

the us army should just kidnap people from England for soldiers. as speakers of the English language they have a duty to serve Joe Biden
that's what encouraged means

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

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If you're a CW citizen you can sign up for the British Army or Royal Marine Commandos no problem, but during covid they haven't been issuing the visas and the process now takes about a year and a half versus the 6 months pre covid. They also privatized their medical screening so instead of seeing a British Army doctor at the embassy, a telehealth lady will give you a questionnaire. You then have to travel to the UK, wait, travel to Portsmouth for the pre-Commando Test, wait, travel somewhere else for induction, wait, then a third place for your Commando Course - all at your own expense.

You need to demonstrate you have enough savings to live in the UK for 18 mo out of pocket and have somewhere to live already arranged, they don't pay you for any of this, provide travel, directions, guaranteed timelines. You can see why they used to be an Empire because this is the most neoliberal way to get people to take the King's shilling. If someone has a year and a half's wages saved up, and can afford to live in London for that long, why are they going into the RM as a Pte (no comment)?

Once in the ranks they won't provide travel home for leave, have means tested the gently caress out of you bringing your dependants, I think it's two hitches to get citizenship. The pay is less than CA/NZ/AU, they expect you to live in barracks until you're a Sergeant, they really think it's a seller's market and everybody wants the green beret. Guaranteed 6 mo a year on Amphibious Assault Ships during your first hitch iirc.

The FFL at least owns you from the day you arrive at the recruiting centre, for better or worse.

Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 12:08 on Sep 20, 2022

AgentF
May 11, 2009
The decline of the empire has already reached the foederati stage

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May 8, 2012

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AgentF posted:

The decline of the empire has already reached the foederati stage

no one wants to fight anymore

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Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

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They could make it even halfway appealing to leave your life in the Commonwealth behind and fight for the Mother Country instead of treating you like a migrant labourer.

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