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Yeah, the Electoral College flawlessly solved the problem of voters being swept off their feet by a populist demagogue.
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Like if Germany had the electoral college, surely the Nazis would have just come to power sooner and killing the Jews would not have even had to be a majority position Tyranny of the majority my rear end
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Data Graham posted:How the f does indirect voting ameliorate the effects of faction Data Graham posted:Why is it a bad thing for farmers and rural townsfolk to be bullied and pushed around by the "far more numerous" city folk Data Graham posted:Why is "tyranny of the majority" a bigger threat than "tyranny of the minority" Data Graham posted:How would the electoral college system have prevented the Holocaust
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Data Graham posted:Sorry to abruptly change the subject but If you want the small states to join a union, you have to convince them they won't be swamped by bigger states. Hence the equal representation in the Senate. Australia had the same fop to smaller states - the Australian Senate gave each state an equal number of senators so that Victoria and New South Wales couldn't override the less populous WA, Tasmania, South Australia. The Holocaust thing is just bullshit. Germany didn't vote on the Holocaust, Hitler seized power by formenting a crisis and then pushing through the 1933 Enabling Act which gave the Chancellor unfettered rule. Once that was done he and his cronies then crushed any dissent. There was nothing democratic about the Holocaust.
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I don't really believe that left-wing goons really have an ideological commitment to democracy. If we lived in a world where voters in the US were left-wing along the same vein as Jeffersonian Republicans, almost certainly goons would be falling all over themselves to defend the electoral college.
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silence_kit posted:I don't really believe that left-wing goons really have an ideological commitment to democracy. If we lived in a world where voters in the US were left-wing along the same vein as Jeffersonian Republicans, almost certainly goons would be falling all over themselves to defend the electoral college. Lol what? The slave owning, land owning elite were the real leftists all along? If only we could all be as committed to the ideals of individual liberty as someone who owned other people
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silence_kit posted:I don't really believe that left-wing goons really have an ideological commitment to democracy. If we lived in a world where voters in the US were left-wing along the same vein as Jeffersonian Republicans, almost certainly goons would be falling all over themselves to defend the electoral college. the social media is coming from inside the thread
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silence_kit posted:I don't really believe that left-wing goons really have an ideological commitment to democracy. If we lived in a world where voters in the US were left-wing along the same vein as Jeffersonian Republicans, almost certainly goons would be falling all over themselves to defend the electoral college. 
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https://twitter.com/dril/status/1035218616403128320
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silence_kit posted:I don't really believe that left-wing goons really have an ideological commitment to democracy. If we lived in a world where voters in the US were left-wing along the same vein as Jeffersonian Republicans, almost certainly goons would be falling all over themselves to defend the electoral college. this is true, Marx was inspired by Jefferson, remember when Das Kapital had a chapter on raping your slaves and keeping most of your population from having any control over their lives? I'm sick of these tankie fucks pretending Jefferson wasn't the original communist
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Biplane posted:Democracy sucks rear end Can confirm.
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The only hope we have as a species is for benevolent alien gods to come vassalise us.
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Goons are very quick to throw out the idea of democracy when it reaches conclusions that they don't like or agree with. And they defend un-democratic institutions when it suits their political ideology (example: the political process through which the Roe v. Wade ruling prevented restrictions on abortion was very anti-democratic). I question their ideological commitment to democracy.
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silence_kit posted:Goons are very quick to throw out the idea of democracy when it reaches conclusions that they don't like or agree with. And they defend un-democratic institutions when it suits their political ideology (example: the political process through which the Roe v. Wade ruling prevented restrictions on abortion was very anti-democratic). I question their ideological commitment to democracy. 
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silence_kit posted:Goons are very quick to throw out the idea of democracy when it reaches conclusions that they don't like or agree with. And they defend un-democratic institutions when it suits their political ideology (example: the political process through which the Roe v. Wade ruling prevented restrictions on abortion was very anti-democratic). I question their ideological commitment to democracy. democracy sucks rear end and a dictatorship of the proletariat is objectively correct
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silence_kit posted:Goons are very quick to throw out the idea of democracy when it reaches conclusions that they don't like or agree with. And they defend un-democratic institutions when it suits their political ideology (example: the political process through which the Roe v. Wade ruling prevented restrictions on abortion was very anti-democratic). I question their ideological commitment to democracy. be honest OP: which probation are you mad about
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Dumpmaster General posted:democracy sucks rear end and a dictatorship of the proletariat is objectively correct Thank you for being honest about your political beliefs instead of making up stories about your ideological commitment to democracy (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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I am curious what 'goons'...like the Supreme Court? I think it's pretty uncontroversial here to say gently caress those mummies.
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silence_kit posted:Goons are very quick to throw out the idea of democracy when it reaches conclusions that they don't like or agree with. And they defend un-democratic institutions when it suits their political ideology (example: the political process through which the Roe v. Wade ruling prevented restrictions on abortion was very anti-democratic). I question their ideological commitment to democracy. If Congress were democratic, the right to an abortion would have been enshrined into law decades ago, and Roe v. Wade wouldn’t matter. A majority of the American public has long supported abortion.
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Cool Kids Club Soda posted:And actually wanting to be around them too? Wild Not relatable
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I mean people don’t actually like Democracy, that’s why states put so much effort into throwing in as many roadblocks as possible. Though it’s funny the Supreme Court wasn’t meant to be one of those road blocks but some dude just bullshit his way into being one
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silence_kit posted:Goons are very quick to throw out the idea of democracy when it reaches conclusions that they don't like or agree with. And they defend un-democratic institutions when it suits their political ideology (example: the political process through which the Roe v. Wade ruling prevented restrictions on abortion was very anti-democratic). I question their ideological commitment to democracy. I realise this may be an astonishing idea but perhaps people can simultaneously believe that some things are good by whatever means they are achieved, and also that a system which achieves the maximum amount of good things would have to be democratic, and that having a say over things that govern your life is itself an inherently good thing, but that doesn't mean that everything it produces is also good.
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Data Graham posted:Sorry to abruptly change the subject but sighs as I unsheath my keyboard e: haha holy poo poo I was still a page behind but really I should have been responding to this silence_kit posted:Goons are very quick to throw out the idea of democracy when it reaches conclusions that they don't like or agree with. And they defend un-democratic institutions when it suits their political ideology (example: the political process through which the Roe v. Wade ruling prevented restrictions on abortion was very anti-democratic). I question their ideological commitment to democracy. Cool Kids Club Soda has a new favorite as of 16:10 on Sep 18, 2022 |
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Democracy is when you go to a polling station and get to pick between Mitch McConnell, a pro-Trump Democrat, and a Libertarian. Then you get a sticker. Dictatorship is when you go to a polling station and only get to vote for a Communist. Presence of a sticker is unconfirmed.
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Pretty sure capitalism killed democracy forever decades ago.
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silence_kit posted:Goons are very quick to throw out the idea of democracy when it reaches conclusions that they don't like or agree with. And they defend un-democratic institutions when it suits their political ideology (example: the political process through which the Roe v. Wade ruling prevented restrictions on abortion was very anti-democratic). I question their ideological commitment to democracy. Undemocratic institutions like those that would make some people's votes count for more than others? Can you think of anything like that?
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It was wild the first time I pushed the "Close Doors" button on an elevator and the doors actually closed
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OwlFancier posted:I realise this may be an astonishing idea but perhaps people can simultaneously believe that some things are good by whatever means they are achieved, and also that a system which achieves the maximum amount of good things would have to be democratic, and that having a say over things that govern your life is itself an inherently good thing, but that doesn't mean that everything it produces is also good. Yeah I think democracy is better than dictatorship, but also I will absolutely do a crime to circumvent an unjust law. I don't think that's a contradiction. It's a weird gotcha argument of like, oh, you say you like democracy but you don't like the elected government's policies and want them to change? Guess you're secretly a fascist. In a true democracy, everyone loves dear leader. I think it's an argument on the level of "you say you support tolerance, but you won't tolerate my intolerance. This makes you a hypocrite."
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I think it's worth noting that, while the electoral college is terrible, it's terribleness is exasperated by the cap on the number of representatives in the House; NYC alone should have something like a couple hundred reps going by the ratio provided in the constitution ("No more than 1 rep per 30,000 people").
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Neito posted:I think it's worth noting that, while the electoral college is terrible, it's terribleness is exasperated by the cap on the number of representatives in the House; NYC alone should have something like a couple hundred reps going by the ratio provided in the constitution ("No more than 1 rep per 30,000 people").
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A lot of people want to live under a dictator who always agrees with them. I don't think that's particularly surprising or controversial. The difference is in how hard we're working to make that happen.
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Democracy is actually bad, see Brexit.
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FFT posted:Thats an exacerbating typo Where's the typo?
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"Exacerbate" means to make worse, "exasperate" means to make someone sick of your bullshit.
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Baron von Eevl posted:"Exacerbate" means to make worse, "exasperate" means to make someone sick of your bullshit. Ah, fair enough, that's what I get for posting pre-coffee.
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Neito posted:Where's the typo?
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