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I guess flip flop was the term I was looking for! Wierd doepfer or someone doesn't make a simple module that does it. Fixed voltage into a voltage controlled switch also works and saves me one channel of trigger sequencing!
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Basic switching circuits like a flip flop should be about the level that one could look up a circuit design and build one with breadboard and simple components. Counters and simple logic stuff were some of the first labs in my first automation and controls class in college. Don't think there would be anything proprietary in those kinds of circuit designs. You'd have to figure out interfacing with jacks, and mounting stuff. But it could be a real diy project.
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Here's a question I've been mulling a couple times lately. I was listening to an old pop song, completely nonelectronic, and noticing that the guitars kind of play in a speedy fashion, I think what they're doing is playing a tiny bit faster than the bpm of the song and syncing up on the 1 every measure, for the duration of a song. It gives a really speedy feeling, it's really compelling. And I was wondering if there are any preferred techniques for doing something like that using MIDI or anything else I'm not aware of. And here is another question on the back of my mind for a long time. I'm not perfectly clear what a "pumping" action does literally, I think it has a lot to do with things outside of the musician's control like speaker placement. Are there any effects or popular methods for recreating this as an effect in studio?
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I usually think of sidechain compression as the way to get a pumping sound. Bastle Dynamo is designed for this, but it can be done with inverted signal and a VCA.
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Pumping vs ducking? Does the difference lay in the time element of the envelope? Like a fast or slow attack?
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B33rChiller posted:Pumping vs ducking? Does the difference lay in the time element of the envelope? Like a fast or slow attack? Is this what pumping means to you? Is that all there is to it?
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petit choux posted:Is this what pumping means to you? Is that all there is to it?
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petit choux posted:Here's a question I've been mulling a couple times lately. I was listening to an old pop song, completely nonelectronic, and noticing that the guitars kind of play in a speedy fashion, this is a recurring problem across the internet but why would you not just name the song and artist
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Laserjet 4P posted:this is a recurring problem across the internet but why would you not just name the song and artist I think it was a deliberate effect. They always appear to be speeding up but never really do. I think it's the bass guitar mostly, in addition to a snappy backbeat? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N1rWbt0lf4 But my larger point was, I forget what the point was. I guess I was thinking there might be something interesting in doing this programmatically, but I guess that's likely more of a DAW question than a synthesis question. B33rChiller posted:Not sure what it really means to me, maaaaaan. LOL let me just ask the old internet what is audio pumping quote:In audio, recording, and music, pumping or gain pumping is a creative misuse of compression, the "audible unnatural level changes associated primarily with the release of a compressor."[1] There is no correct way to produce pumping, and according to Alex Case, the effect may result from selecting "too slow or too fast...or too, um, medium" attack and release settings.[2] Hope you're satisfied I don't know what it is, I always associated it with a physical effect at the listener end. I think sidechain compression is similar but not the same?
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B33rChiller posted:Pumping vs ducking? Does the difference lay in the time element of the envelope? Like a fast or slow attack? My idea of pumping is all based around a personal memory. In 1991 I used to be kinda buddies with a guy that did the sound for a bunch of dance clubs and he brought me into a couple of them one day to help him move speakers around. I'm still not clear on exactly what kind of magic that guy did but it has stuck with me all my life. From that day forward I knew who was the real artist in the electro and techno clubs. petit choux fucked around with this message at 17:49 on Sep 17, 2022 |
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i consider ducking sidechain compression as a tool to make a mix fit together better, whereas pumping is more of an effect like in french house. king of like how with reverb you can use it to create physical distance between yourself and the instrument or use it as an effect that is part of the instrument’s sound itself
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Ducking is done with side chaining and pumping is done by configuring a character compressor's threshold, attack and release to behave rhythmically with the material. Depending on how you have your ducker set you might get a pumping-like effect though. These days a lot of the same thing is accomplished by automating amplitude w/ LFO instead, but I personally prefer ducking.
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Thanks for all the discussion and explanation folks. Every day is a school day.
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B33rChiller posted:Thanks for all the discussion and explanation folks. Every day is a school day. That's right! ty2u2
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field balm posted:I guess flip flop was the term I was looking for! Wierd doepfer or someone doesn't make a simple module that does it. Hahaha you're at the sub-module level now, I think the problem is that it's just not really enough stuff to break out on its own. VC switch is almost definitely 'just' a flip flop chip and an op amp buffer or two, but wrapped up w/ a UI
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B33rChiller posted:Thanks for all the discussion and explanation folks. Every day is a school day. I'm gonna have to go to school for soldering or something. I need to make better cables.
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B33rChiller posted:Thanks for all the discussion and explanation folks. Every day is a school day. Every day is school day so much that I'm gonna have to start soldering poo poo again. Right now though I just got a MPK25 and I'm fooling around with Surge for the first time. This is real nice. I think this is how the rest of my afternoon and evening are going to be.
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Surge kicks rear end. I know that it’s capable of approximating the General MIDI soundset by synthesis and sampling at at least the level of an MT-32 and I should make a soundset that does exactly that.
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Laserjet 4P posted:Surge kicks rear end. I know that it’s capable of approximating the General MIDI soundset by synthesis and sampling at at least the level of an MT-32 and I should make a soundset that does exactly that. I'm also enjoying this MPK25, just got it. I had the MPK Mini before, loved it, but this has so much more to it like pretty good, sensitive keys. And replicating the velocity of each keystroke in the arp as well makes it a lot nicer. Looks like it shouldn't be too difficult to map these 12 knobs either. As of yet I'm still cycling through all the presets, just starting to familiarize myself. But this feels really nice so far. Some interesting arps in the presets, too. ED: And this is my first keyboard with aftertouch! ED2: And the arp works with the aftertouch too, this is sweet! Making me wish I had a bigger keyboard now. petit choux fucked around with this message at 03:01 on Sep 18, 2022 |
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petit choux posted:Here's a question I've been mulling a couple times lately. I was listening to an old pop song, completely nonelectronic, and noticing that the guitars kind of play in a speedy fashion, I think what they're doing is playing a tiny bit faster than the bpm of the song and syncing up on the 1 every measure, for the duration of a song. It gives a really speedy feeling, it's really compelling. And I was wondering if there are any preferred techniques for doing something like that using MIDI or anything else I'm not aware of. In the grid in Bitwig modules that do stuff over a period of time, like note sequences or gate triggers, have a phase input. This is a rising signal that usually goes in a ramp from 0 to 1 over the course of a bar. To get the effect you describe, you can change the shape of this ramp so it finishes before the bar is done. You can also do stuff like turn it into an S-curve, or make it go forwards and backwards. I'm sure similar concepts and manipulations exist in other modular environments.
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Anyone want a Synthstrom Deluge? I'm selling mine in SA-Mart. If you want to put down the OLED deposit with Synthstrom I'm happy to ship it to them and have them ship it back to you once the retrofit is done. This thing is fun as hell and surprisingly intuitive to learn, but I'm realizing I'm not the "make music" type and am happy with learning to play a guitar instead.
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so I'm probably insane because I went on a single-night airbnb by myself.... and..... uh...... The thing is, it's literally easier to do this than "just bring the rack and a keyboard" because they i have to worry about mixing and usb out and and and, and my teardown/setup time on this thing is 10-15 mins on either end, so 40-60 mins total to have this poo poo with me. Also, I found out Chipz can sound really good*!!!!! * if you run the output through a $800 digital effects filter and a Zlob SVF 
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field balm posted:I guess flip flop was the term I was looking for! Wierd doepfer or someone doesn't make a simple module that does it. The Klavis Logica XT has a flip-flop mode, among the other neat things it can do.
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Wow, this thing. https://youtu.be/F-OhCW1CScI GRP Synthesizers A4. $6,000. Seems more like a fun toy than a good tool, tbh. For example the sequencer seems kinda pointless, you're almost certainly not going to use it without an external sequencer. And if you're getting something at this level, you'd probably rather have patch points like the ARP 2600 or one of the Moog semi modulars, rather than this rigidly normalized synth. Fun to look at tho.
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ColdPie posted:Wow, this thing. edit: given how quickly I have burned roughly 5-6k on components, I hazard a guess that it's cheaper than DIY unless the components suck and/or the keybed is lower quality than an Akai MPK keybed, which both seem unlikely at this price point. But yeah, give me anything besides that sequencer in that space. Cabbages and VHS fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Sep 19, 2022 |
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You mean the keyboard he's using in the video? That's not part of the synth, he's just using it as a controller.
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How do I limit and amplify 0-10V CV signal from an LFO say to 5-7V? I'm in VCV and passing to a visuals software that doesn't have it's own min-max settings for MIDI input. I tried a VCA, but that only reduces the amplitude.
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Papa Was A Video Toaster posted:How do I limit and amplify 0-10V CV signal from an LFO say to 5-7V? I'm in VCV and passing to a visuals software that doesn't have it's own min-max settings for MIDI input. I tried a VCA, but that only reduces the amplitude. I think I would try first adding a DC offset of +5V, then sending that output into a VCA, and reducing the amplitude. There's a module I use quite often called "add5", which has a whole strip worth of ins and outs, and all it does is lift the entire signal up 5V. Great for turning bipolar LFOs into unipolar.
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B33rChiller posted:Basic switching circuits like a flip flop should be about the level that one could look up a circuit design and build one with breadboard and simple components. JamesKPolk posted:Hahaha you're at the sub-module level now, I think the problem is that it's just not really enough stuff to break out on its own. Please don't encourage me guys, i have all the tools and stuff from when i got into building guitar pedals, i simply dont have enough to play my modular let alone build it! Eccles posted:The Klavis Logica XT has a flip-flop mode, among the other neat things it can do. This is a wierd but cool looking module, for some reason im more attracted to misc utility modules than stuff like oscillators and filters lol. Anyway! Made a cool sound this arvo, I was doing a pretty standard 2 op fm thing with STO and another osc and for some reason decided to feedback the completed fm sound into the sync input on STO and got a really cool, glitchy sound: https://on.soundcloud.com/jN9dV Unfortunately now I'll have to leave this patch set up so i can actually write something with it
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Papa Was A Video Toaster posted:How do I limit and amplify 0-10V CV signal from an LFO say to 5-7V? I'm in VCV and passing to a visuals software that doesn't have it's own min-max settings for MIDI input. I tried a VCA, but that only reduces the amplitude. In VCV, try using the Befaco Dual Attenuverter. “Offset” let’s you raise (or lower) the floor of the signal, and Attenuverter let’s you attenuate between 0 and 1x (or -1x and 0) so that you can limit the ceiling. I’ve never used VCV, but I’m to understand that all of the Befaco stuff is free.
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I figured out how to make blast beats in VCV with some noodle doodling.
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Papa Was A Video Toaster posted:How do I limit and amplify 0-10V CV signal from an LFO say to 5-7V? I'm in VCV and passing to a visuals software that doesn't have it's own min-max settings for MIDI input. I tried a VCA, but that only reduces the amplitude. Rod Hoofhearted posted:In VCV, try using the Befaco Dual Attenuverter. “Offset” let’s you raise (or lower) the floor of the signal, and Attenuverter let’s you attenuate between 0 and 1x (or -1x and 0) so that you can limit the ceiling. This is correct, and you can also use the Befaco A*B+C module as well IIRC. B and C jacks normal to fixed voltages. e: I'm finding 0.5 on the B pot and 0.835 on the C pot to be roughly the right values. free Trapt CD fucked around with this message at 02:22 on Sep 20, 2022 |
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Since my fiancee and I are moving into a smaller place, I got the go-ahead to figure out a new case solution to consolidate my Eurorack stuff. And Patchwerks just got the black TipTop Mantis cases in. 
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RocketMermaid posted:Since my fiancee and I are moving into a smaller place, I got the go-ahead to figure out a new case solution to consolidate my Eurorack stuff. 
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RocketMermaid posted:Since my fiancee and I are moving into a smaller place, I got the go-ahead to figure out a new case solution to consolidate my Eurorack stuff. They look so much better in black it's ridiculous. I could only find the white ones when I was looking so I went with an alm skiff, but part of me wishes I'd held out lol. Just ordered a joranalogue select 2 and add 2. Excited to gently caress up some pitch cv.
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If I get a second 6u rackbrute, can I use the link system to connect them the same way I would if I got a 3u? I don't see why not....
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Cabbages and Kings posted:If I get a second 6u rackbrute, can I use the link system to connect them the same way I would if I got a 3u? I don't see why not.... Yes absolutely you can e: also you can get a bag that holds two 6u's that are linked together 
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Eurorack looks so cool, and encourages individualism*. I love it. I love the cables, panels, knobs, and LEDs so much! *: Or at least allows it to a great degree
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dexefiend posted:Eurorack looks so cool, and encourages individualism*. I love it. Beyond the endless creativity in creating robot farts, I absolutely love feeling like I'm making music with a spaceship. And with the Mantis cases, now I can cover the outsides with stickers if I want to! (nothing would stick to the Doepfer case)
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RocketMermaid posted:Beyond the endless creativity in creating robot farts, I absolutely love feeling like I'm making music with a spaceship. Ok, so to complete the character, I'm imagining a floating desk or table, and a mermaid Shelly style tail, with small solid boosters on the fin. Some kind of inflatable chair, or maybe on the pool steps.
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