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IIRC back to the future II also had an undertone of Marty McFly having to work for a Japanese boss in the future and know some Japanese too
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Weyland Yutani was also 80s racist fear of Japan
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ikanreed posted:Weyland Yutani was also 80s racist fear of Japan I don't know if you can call it racist when the Japanese mourn it never came to be because of the "lost decade".
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Last Chance posted:IIRC back to the future II also had an undertone of Marty McFly having to work for a Japanese boss in the future and know some Japanese too Doesn't that also happen in Part III where Past Doc comments on the electronics being garbage because they were made in Japan, but Marty says that all the best stuff is made there now?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAYmNMZkWlU
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LashLightning posted:I don't know if you can call it racist when the Japanese mourn it never came to be because of the "lost decade". It also wasn't just Japan. People thought Germany was going to take over (economically) in the 90s, like when they bought the power plant on The Simpsons.
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Aces High posted:Doesn't that also happen in Part III where Past Doc comments on the electronics being garbage because they were made in Japan, but Marty says that all the best stuff is made there now? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlLHs7RoorU
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LashLightning posted:I don't know if you can call it racist when the Japanese mourn it never came to be because of the "lost decade". There were a ton of hate crimes committed against anyone of Asian descent during that time, it was a pretty racist fear. "On June 19, 1982, a Chinese American man named Vincent Chin went with friends to a strip club in Detroit to celebrate his upcoming wedding. That night, two white men who apparently thought Chin was Japanese beat him to death. At the killers’ trial, the men each received a $3,000 fine and zero prison time." Macdeo Lurjtux fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Sep 14, 2022 |
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While obviously the speculative fiction of BttF2/Aliens and the racist violence described above are linked by the same general idea/knowledge of thriving Japanese business and its potential effect on the global economy, I wouldn't say that this means that fiction was racist or playing on the fears of racists. That strikes me as similar to saying the portrayal of black presidents in sci-fi media prior to Obama's election was directly linked to replacement theory or whatever. It isn't inherently racist to notice a trend and extrapolate a potential future from there, and in the early-to-mid 80s it was simply a fact that the Japanese economy was experiencing a massive boom while the American economy had recently experienced a recession.
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Sep 14, 2022 19:42
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Racism? Just like the snake episode. Imagine that, "Hey you, I hate you because you have a different skin color!" How stupid would that be. Oh wait...
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yea die hard isn't racist, it's not about john mcclaine fighting the japanese. it's about him reasserting his masculinity in the face of the new america where women leave their husbands and get high paying corporate jobs. it's misogynist
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Guy A. Person posted:While obviously the speculative fiction of BttF2/Aliens and the racist violence described above are linked by the same general idea/knowledge of thriving Japanese business and its potential effect on the global economy, I wouldn't say that this means that fiction was racist or playing on the fears of racists. That strikes me as similar to saying the portrayal of black presidents in sci-fi media prior to Obama's election was directly linked to replacement theory or whatever. It isn't inherently racist to notice a trend and extrapolate a potential future from there, and in the early-to-mid 80s it was simply a fact that the Japanese economy was experiencing a massive boom while the American economy had recently experienced a recession. Being afraid of that influence because they're different is racist. Japanese influence seems to often be something to illicit discomfort in media from that era. Though I am not an expert and I'm not going to claim every depiction falls into that category. This is complicated by the overlapping fear that corporations would be more influential, which is pretty appropriate to fear and feel uncomfortable about.
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Eiba posted:Predicting that the Japanese would be more influential in the future isn't racist. Yeah totally in agreement here, and should have also mentioned I do not have like an encyclopedic knowledge of media from that time to dispute that a bunch of it was racist, just that the general trope wasn't inherently so. Ridley Scott in particular with both Blade Runner and Alien projected heavy Asian cultural influences into both of those sci-fi futures but I feel like the real evil in both those cases was clearly capitalism. But perhaps he was intentionally relying on the unfamiliarity of those cultures specifically for western audiences at the time as a way of generating a discomfiting mood, but as someone with a modern POV I just wouldn't pick up on that.
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Macaluso posted:I like the dynamic between the two Beths. If Jerry was anything but Jerry, he would have cooked up a threesome by now
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Brigadier Sockface posted:If Jerry was anything but Jerry, he would have cooked up a threesome by now Jerry should phone up Mr. Nimbus and ask for his advice here.
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Vandar posted:Jerry should phone up Mr. Nimbus and ask for his advice here. I mean, they DID do a threesome with Nimbus.
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Mantis42 posted:yea die hard isn't racist, it's not about john mcclaine fighting the japanese. it's about him reasserting his masculinity in the face of the new america where women leave their husbands and get high paying corporate jobs. it's misogynist It's got plenty of faults, but it's still a loving great script.
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I liked about 70% of this episode and the remainder spent wondering whether the callback was strong enough to base an episode around. Roy felt great as a one-off joke earlier in the show, did it really need to come back? The die hard stuff was meh, but I did love that at least for once a child character has no loving clue what the gently caress that god drat movie is about.
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I didn't see it as revisiting the Roy premise, it felt like it was exploring a weird hosed up concept of having a whole society be split up versions of the same person, and happened to use the prior video game they established in the setting. Nothing about this felt like it was actually about the Roy game. The callback seemed incidental to me. Which was good.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:There were a ton of hate crimes committed against anyone of Asian descent during that time, it was a pretty racist fear. correction: they lost the fight at the strip club, went around the neighborhood looking for him for an hour, and then beat him to death with a baseball bat at a McDonalds and pled guilty, and got 0 time and a $3k fine. all because Chrysler couldn't face the reality that their product was hot unwashed dogshit
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I really like what they've done with Summer over the 5 seasons. She started off as a low key generic teenage girl family member and the writers have steadily shifted her into the position of 'Ricks actually competent grandchild sidekick' so well that nobody even blinks when Rick says 'go do a die hard'.
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Alchenar posted:I really like what they've done with Summer over the 5 seasons. She started off as a low key generic teenage girl family member and the writers have steadily shifted her into the position of 'Ricks actually competent grandchild sidekick' so well that nobody even blinks when Rick says 'go do a die hard'. Summer blinked, though. She didn't even know what a Die Hard was! The fact that she was still able to pull it off is irrelevant to my point. 
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Morty is actually competent now too - he just maintains a conscience and doesnt kowtow to the Rick reign of terror quite as easily as Summer
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Really liked that episode. The Morty stuff was R&M taking a neat sci fi concept and just running with it while using it to explore the Rick and Morty relationship in a new interesting way while the Summer B-plot was just good dumb fun.
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The morty stuff is exactly the kind of scifi rigmarole that I think makes up the best of rick and morty. I liked the callback to Roy as a framing device and using it to quickly get the viewer caught up on what is going on is a good way to utilize a callback like that. It's not trying to tell the same sort of story the original roy did, but they're both about living in a simulated reality where you as a unique individual are being experienced by an external existence, and playing with the idea that living in the simulation is better than dying so the real teenaged boy can stop playing his game. So there's so conceptual connection that roy serves as an easy shorthand for. I think if they did this same plot but did not call it roy or reference roy it would have been strictly worse.
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Morty coming back with billions of lived lives is gonna give him some Kwisatz Haderach energy for a bit.
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the original Roy was used as a gag here Roy was used as a vehicle for the plot the original Meseeks were used as a vehicle for the plot they were later reused as a gag when Morty fought the cops It's like poetry, it rhymes
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Guy A. Person posted:Ridley Scott in particular with both Blade Runner and Alien projected heavy Asian cultural influences into both of those sci-fi futures but I feel like the real evil in both those cases was clearly capitalism. But perhaps he was intentionally relying on the unfamiliarity of those cultures specifically for western audiences at the time as a way of generating a discomfiting mood, but as someone with a modern POV I just wouldn't pick up on that. I'm not sure but I believe Scott made the heavy Asian influence in his movies as a result of the growing prominence of Hong Kong in various conversations. It was making waves in Hollywood because of its outsider voice and growing prominence in second run theaters. It was getting a lot of attention from finance since it had very favorable tax policies (companies incorporated there only paid tax and money made in HK, everywhere was tax free) and plenty of fodder of capitalism run amok with photos of Kowloon and the ideas of shanty towns made from stolen sheet metal existing 3 miles from multi-million dollar mansions. Horror stories of working class conditions in Hong Kong are a big part of what led to the xenophobic fears about Japan's growing financial prominence in the 80s, mainly because people heard HK and immediately thought Asian not realizing almost all companies doing those things were owned and operated by white British men.
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Alchenar posted:I really like what they've done with Summer over the 5 seasons. She started off as a low key generic teenage girl family member and the writers have steadily shifted her into the position of 'Ricks actually competent grandchild sidekick' so well that nobody even blinks when Rick says 'go do a die hard'. More like Rick's Rickiest grandchild. Morty always seems to have a problem with Rick's plans and Summer just jumps in feet first. She also has a lot of ice cold lines to go along with it ("Kill me." "OK, but not because you told me to"). So of course she's Rick's emergency contact.
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Autosapphism is certainly not a direction I foresaw, but it’s going places…
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Uggghhhh... Why is the third episode each season always the hardest? How did they manage to screw up interdimensional GamePass?
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As someone that used video games to distract myself from my dad having sex with a 22-year-old I loved this episode. I was in my 30s though.
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I think I’m sick of space mom
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You know they're just taking the piss out of the audience by calling back to Naruto during this episode. I will admit, I did get a belly laugh when they cut back to the kids during the bedroom scene.
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Brigadier Sockface posted:If Jerry was anything but Jerry, he would have cooked up a threesome by now
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TerminalRaptor posted:I will admit, I did get a belly laugh when they cut back to the kids during the bedroom scene. Did I hear Morty right when he was begging Discovery Channel to kill him during that scene?
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