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Borrowed Ladder posted:Sometimes I wish for an alternate timeline where James was the lead singer instead of Billy. Sure James has his own record, but it doesn't really work for me. But The Boy, Go, and Said Sadly are all timers for me, like I'd probably put Said Sadly as a top 5 overall SP song. Have we ever heard James on a loud track, vocally?
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Blew Away
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Jun 21, 2022 06:57
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James' voice is kinda thin, it gets lost easily in the big loud stuff. I also suspect it's just not really his jam.
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Jun 21, 2022 14:59
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Billy's voice is a huge part though or it's not the same band. Same with like Rush, Mercyful Fate/King Diamond, Primus to name a few. A lot of bands you can kinda shoehorn anyone in but not here. I got to speak with Les Claypool in a Q+A a couple weeks back for their tour doing "A Farewell to Kings" in its entirety and he told me the hardest part wasn't learning the music - they all nailed it but it was singing similar to Geddy which stumped him. His regular singing voice just didn't really fit too well and he had to emulate it as best he could.
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Jun 21, 2022 15:14
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I wasn't trying to say I have a problem with Billy's voice, I just wanted to think about an Iha led band with SP music instead of Iha music I guess
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Jun 22, 2022 02:26
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Borrowed Ladder posted:I wasn't trying to say I have a problem with Billy's voice, I just wanted to think about an Iha led band with SP music instead of Iha music I guess I'm with you, though I have no idea how the loud tracks would work.
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Jun 22, 2022 02:33
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You can listen to the back half of Blew Away for that. The result is you never really hearing his voice during the loud parts. I like James' voice, but it is thin and disappears in a busy mix. Say what you will about Billy's voice, it cuts through at least.
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It's James on Zero's solo, he used the Whammy and a preset on I think some old Line6 unit called "Cyberman" or something lol
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Jun 30, 2022 14:45
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Framboise posted:
What's this supposed to be, a new album? Live show?
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Sep 15, 2022 20:19
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:What's this supposed to be, a new album? Live show? No idea, it was just cryptically posted on social media. Knowing Billy, an announcement for another announcement for something he might announce to do.
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Framboise posted:No idea, it was just cryptically posted on social media. Announcement for the teaser trailer of a side project mini-album of drone music inspired by a stained glass window.
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Sep 15, 2022 20:32
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It's the next teargarden installment
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Sep 15, 2022 21:49
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It's got a new typeset and design style so I'm guessing it's related to new material, not a tour announcement. It's also pretty late so I'm guessing it's not an album announcement; they'd want to hit the news cycles for that. I'm assuming it's a new single.
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Sep 15, 2022 22:15
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Whatever it is I'm sure it will be extremely embarrassing.
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Ratios and Tendency posted:Whatever it is I'm sure it will be extremely embarrassing. My genuine hope is for a single that sounds like something from Machina or before, but... my expectations? 
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Sep 16, 2022 02:58
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I just realized Billy's podcast debuts the next morning, so either it's something incredibly, profoundly embarrassing like a preview of his podcast or it's new material they will discuss on the podcast which will also almost certainly be incredibly, profoundly embarrassing
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Sep 16, 2022 03:18
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The new single is debuting on the 19th for the Mellon Collie/Machina Sequel. Q101 has been promoting it for the last week.
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Isn't saying that Billy Corgan will do something embarrassing like saying "the roulette ball will land somewhere?" It's not a prediction - it's his calling card.
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Cemetry Gator posted:Isn't saying that Billy Corgan will do something embarrassing like saying "the roulette ball will land somewhere?" Man, before 2000, this would be an unheard of opinion. Regardless of what anyone thinks of Zwan, I think the first really 'embarrassing' thing he'd done, at least publicly, was when he took out that newspaper ad saying that he wanted his band back.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Man, before 2000, this would be an unheard of opinion. Billy Corgan has always been embarrassing. He's just been endearingly so. Everything he does is inherently ridiculous, but that's why it works. Do I need to pull out the video of him interviewing Nick Cave?
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Man, before 2000, this would be an unheard of opinion. Blinking With Fists tho
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Cemetry Gator posted:Billy Corgan has always been embarrassing. He's just been endearingly so. Everything he does is inherently ridiculous, but that's why it works. Yeah true, I guess the newspaper ad was the first time I personally noticed something, as it's happening, and gone 'wait, wtf?' Also, I want that Kim Thayill story to be true so much. So very much. It would heal me. Right here in my heart.
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Cemetry Gator posted:Billy Corgan has always been embarrassing. He's just been endearingly so. Everything he does is inherently ridiculous, but that's why it works. I mean, it hasn't worked for quite a while now.
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The new album is called ATUM and will be released on 4/21/2023. https://madamezuzus.com/collections...source=omnisend Bummed that this probably means we won't see the Machina re-release for at least another year.
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The bar is on the ground after Cyr, but I heard a leaked track earlier that sounded promising.
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I haven't been able to find the live stream (apparently it's tiktok exclusive and I guess you have to be logged in to view it?) but apparently it's for a song called "beguiled." They also put the first two tracks out earlier today accidentally, an instrumental called Atum (pronounced "autumn") and an extremely CYR sounding track called Butterfly Suite.
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BeastOfExmoor posted:The new album is called ATUM and will be released on 4/21/2023. Yes, please Billy, let me preorder a box set for an album I haven't heard a note of. 
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Sep 20, 2022 02:56
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 Saw this on Reddit. Apparently THIS is the Mellon Collie/Machina sequel that Billy has been hyping all this time. If this is even close to as good as either of those, I'll forgive everything else made post-reunion. From what I've heard so far though... lol, lmao
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Just a reminder, Monuments To An Elegy was his sequel to SD. You can hear it, right? The static drum machines, occasionally replaced by Tommy Lee of all people. Why heck, Being Beige is basically just Geek USA! So yeah, take that with an enormous grain of salt. "Sequel to MCIS and Machina" might just mean that it tells a story and is a double album, it might just mean he was in a similar headspace, it might just mean he wanted it to sound maximalist. Billy likes to say things and it's possible that sometimes the things he says make sense to him.
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Mellon Collie and Machina are two completely different albums what the gently caress even is a "sequel" to both of them?
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Ballz posted:Mellon Collie and Machina are two completely different albums what the gently caress even is a "sequel" to both of them? They are the last two albums with Jimmy and James both in the lineup, and the last time Billy was culturally relevant. He's hoping he can "the secret" that second part into being true again
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Surely he has to put out the Machina reissue before then, right? RIGHT?! The wait has been absurd considering how long it's supposedly been finished for. I vaguely recall someone mentioning that they may be waiting to press enough vinyls for the release but at this point why not just get the reissue out and let everyone know vinyls will be coming as soon as they're ready? 7 months until the new album. Come on Billy get the Machina reissue out before Christmas 
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33 tracks is a lot, even for a B-sides/compilation/rarities cash grab release. Pitchfork linked the first official single. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nls-ddxfAAE The riff reminds me of the younger brother to "Where Boys Fear to Tread" that is perfectly fine with staying in the parent's basement working at a CBD shop. Those hand claps though. Ooof.
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That's wrestling music, alright
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The mix on the drums sounds so bad. Riff is kinda weak too - no fuzz or oomph. Maybe it'll play better live but not off to a good start.
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There's something lost in this track that was ever-present in MCIS' music, and (to a lesser degree) Machina's. I don't know what it is... humility? I can't put my finger on it, but MCIS was 'we're loud and have something to say and cry about but we'll just chill out in this corner and be somewhat modest'. It feels like, Zeitgeist-onward, everything is just so blatant. I don't know how the new album will stack up, I can only judge this single, but so far it tracks. I'm likely using the wrong words, maybe someone else can better explain what I'm trying to get at. It's not just his voice being front and centre but it also feels like SP now sounds or makes music like any other band in the same genre would. That didn't used to happen at all.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:There's something lost in this track that was ever-present in MCIS' music, and (to a lesser degree) Machina's. I don't know what it is... humility? I can't put my finger on it, but MCIS was 'we're loud and have something to say and cry about but we'll just chill out in this corner and be somewhat modest'. This sounds frankly like a demo instead of a finished track. Like when you listen to pre-breakup stuff everything is so dense, layered and overdubbed. It's why listening to Siamese Dream or MCIS in a high def/high end equipment is such a joy because there is so much that just gets lost otherwise. Listening to this it is just very simple in every way. Even at the point where you expect it to kick in and go it does so very modestly instead of the wall of sound and fury that you used to get. Now a lot of that is likely down to production which I believe this is another Billy produced record and it shows.
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The guitars are real weirdly low in the mix. I almost don't mind the drum sound, but I think there's some samples getting triggered in there or Jimmy's playing against a midi track or something. But yeah, the guitars need to be stronger in that mix. edit also it's just kind of a lifeless performance, weirdly enough it sounds like a bunch of guys coming up on 60 who are tired as poo poo and just want to eat some plant-based meatball grinders.
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Billy just forgot to take the pedal he was demoing here back home. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osbnob9ih-c
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