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i expanded my thoughts in an edit just now but i think you hit the nail on the head
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roomtone posted:i'm just never going to understand how you all come to like lower decks. ‘Kay
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Sep 22, 2022 01:32
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Lower Decks is very explicit about better things being possible, if people would just stop touching ancient masks.
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Sep 22, 2022 01:48
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But people won't stop touching ancient masks, so one should build contingency plans around the fact that if there are touchable ancient masks, they will be touched.
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Sep 22, 2022 01:55
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Lower decks has a fun vibe, it isn't as cynical as it seems during a first watch
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and so yeah just...everyone likes lower decks. that's fine. i think it absolutely sucks. one point to the agreeing lurker.
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Sep 22, 2022 02:09
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I like how it makes fun of Star Trek
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Sep 22, 2022 02:17
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roomtone posted:and so yeah just...everyone likes lower decks. that's fine. i think it absolutely sucks. one point to the agreeing lurker. how much of it have you seen because I'd totally agree on those points if it was limited to like the first two or three episodes of season 1
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Sep 22, 2022 02:25
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The Chairman posted:how much of it have you seen because I'd totally agree on those points if it was limited to like the first two or three episodes of season 1 Yeah the first couple episodes suck and then it picks up a bunch. As opposed to many other Treks where the first season is rough and then picks up a bunch.
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hiddenriverninja posted:I like how it makes fun of Star Trek It makes fun of Star Trek but still really loves and respects Star Trek.
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The Chairman posted:how much of it have you seen because I'd totally agree on those points if it was limited to like the first two or three episodes of season 1 i endured all of season 1 and a few episodes of s2 before i realised this just wasn't for me
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Sep 22, 2022 04:11
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roomtone posted:and so yeah just...everyone likes lower decks. that's fine. i think it absolutely sucks. one point to the agreeing lurker. You don’t get a point just for being objectively wrong.
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Sep 22, 2022 04:12
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roomtone posted:and so yeah just...everyone likes lower decks. that's fine. i think it absolutely sucks. one point to the agreeing lurker. Welcome to the bad opinions club, friend! Do you like Discovery as much as I do?
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i understand that pal i just think it's bizarre to generally be in tune with the collective on various matters such as when tng gets good, when ds9 gets good, what the best eps are, when star trek becomes bad and blah blah and then to be sitting here and watching people say lower decks is good is loving baffling to me. it's loving awful. aggressively unfunny in a milquetoast american sitcom kind of way using star trek lore as it's lube. it is as bad and worse than disco, just in a different way which i feel like has you all completely fooled for now. and when we have something that is actually pretty good in strange new worlds. that's fine, i am in alignment with external sanity once again. not amazing, but good. maybe i'm just too cordoned off in my own world here, the best world, where stuff like lower decks is bad but i suppose i think there's gonna be a moment when some, not all, of you say hey...lower deck wasn't good. it was at best good by comparison. good because i recognise the references. i just can't budge on the idea that it's not good, sorry. roomtone fucked around with this message at 04:20 on Sep 22, 2022 |
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Sep 22, 2022 04:16
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It helps to possess a functional sense of humor
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Sep 22, 2022 04:20
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Lower Decks' other big idea is that Starfleet is GREAT at solutions and TERRIBLE at follow-up.
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Professor Beetus posted:Oh right I forgot it was Nazi Future Sisko, I was wondering why Seven would have some dislike of Sisko and I didn't remember them talking about Sisko at all. Sisko is a dick to former borg. Well, to Picard anyway, and there's no reason to think he wouldn't extend that prejudice to all other victims of the borg who managed to escape the collective.
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Eimi posted:There are two kinds of bad Trek. Good bad Trek when Kirk is hamming it up over insanity and bad bad Trek which is Discovery and Picard. I will quibble on one point here: the episode where Dr Jurati sings at that gala? That's good-bad trek. I was laughing at the sheer absurdity of it in the moment.
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Eimi posted:I can see how the Borg queen stuff could've been fun, but they managed to out stupid the writing that created the Borg queen and that is an impressive feat. They made the Borg queen a Whedon character, which right away was awful, but then they changed how assimilation works which might be my most hated aspect of Picard but it's really hard to pick just one. Making assimilation boil down to "willpower" was complete bullshit and undercuts everything about the Borg and makes all their victims out to be wimps who just should've had the mental strength of a quirky murderess. Willpower probably only matters one on one. When there are a thousand borg shouting in your head anyone's willpower will be easily overwhelmed. When it's just one they have to use finesse rather than brute forcing your brain.
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MillennialVulcan posted:Lower Decks' other big idea is that Starfleet is GREAT at solutions and TERRIBLE at follow-up. Mariner had a line in season one like "that's Starfleet: good at observing and bad at maintaining" that feels like one of the better takes a Trek character has ever had on the world they live in, that might be what put Lower Decks over the top for me as one of the top tier shows, it's good at commenting on itself in a way that can be naturalistic and not just a parody
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Meh like what you like, I really can't stand discovery but a lot of people disagree and find there's a lot of good stuff the show brings. I didn't watch voyager at the time it aired but I still appreciate most of it now that ive seen it all. I do need a "I got through season 4 tshirt" though cause its rough and ill prob watch season 5 when it comes out
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i guess that's where i disconnect i don't find the 'bad at maintainence' thing funny. i think it's a conceit of capitalism to make us feel kinda okay about where we are today because heh, couldn't be better i guess! not with these hu-mons! it could easily be better. it doesn't have to be hilariously bad. like. just be more hopeful. the way we talk and think colloquially right now isn't the only way things could be. we could be better than this, and you could still find comedy in that which doesn't rest on common notions of class and metitocracy........but you'd have to actually try and i don't think lower decks tries so it's just a lazy pile of poo poo to me i guess. we deserve better. roomtone fucked around with this message at 05:00 on Sep 22, 2022 |
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Sep 22, 2022 04:46
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To me it is the opposite of a lazy show because they nail a huge number of references, quirks, themes, or character bits that very clearly aren't something remotely considered in it's contemporaries. Plus it makes me audibly busy out laughing + smoke frequently, so, sorry about your sad sack pov I guess. Not being able to enjoy things sucks.
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roomtone posted:i don't find the 'bad at maintainence' thing funny. i think it's a conceit of capitalism to make us feel kinda okay about where we are today because heh, couldn't be better i guess! not with these hu-mons! Starfleet being good at swooping in and being heroes but less good at just taking care of stuff so that's unnecessary isn't a joke it's an observation based on 55 years of trek. Lower decks has both jokes (novel and reference) and meaningful themes and critique and observations based on the shows we've seen up this point. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 05:03 on Sep 22, 2022 |
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Sep 22, 2022 05:01
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why is that just accepted as a fact
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Watching Disco S4E13 and I think now I can pretty solidly say: I hate Sonequa Martin-Green's line reads.
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roomtone posted:why is that just accepted as a fact because that's what motivates like 50% of TNG plots`
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roomtone posted:why is that just accepted as a fact Because it's trope of that universe. Honestly it's something of a trope in most space opera stuff - which is kind of what Star Trek is. There's a lot of stuff like that. I recall the bit in Armageddon when somebody has to defuse a nuke. Now, the person doing this has been trained for it. The main reason they're there is to deal with the nuclear weapon. And they still do that loving "Is it the red wire or the blue wire" bullshit from every cliche bomb-defusing scene ever.
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Lower decks is fun and that one goon is wrong
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CPColin posted:Watching Disco S4E13 and I think now I can pretty solidly say: I hate Sonequa Martin-Green's line reads. Can't say about the actress but look at the material they have to get through oof I swear everyone on discovery are all codependently traumatized after being time displaced, they need a ship counselor badly
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no i meant why is the idea that star fleet is 'bad at maintenance' accepted as fact. i'm not going to pick at any individual boimler or mariner plot, i do dislike every one of them but that's kind of besides the point. it'a sort of why i thought this entire idea of doing a Funney star trek in 2022 would be insufferable because it would only be this kind of undercutting pomposity and undercutting ideals sort of humour and it all seems so totally harmless until you realise you don't actually give a poo poo about anything. star trek is a massive multimedia property, and most of it's series are huge mainstream and stuffy, so i'm not saying it's the place to look for invention or humour, but of all the loving things a milquetoast animated comedy. which makes a joke of the idea of better. a joke of the only thing that gives star trek any actual merit. this is good. roomtone fucked around with this message at 05:30 on Sep 22, 2022 |
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what? lower decks is big into showing how much it loves star trek, and the ideals of the federation, and i think it's weird that you look at it and go "it all seems so totally harmless until you realise you don't actually give a poo poo about anything." that's such a weird take
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Tiberius Christ posted:Can't say about the actress but look at the material they have to get through oof I wonder if that's why she whispers half her lines and sounds like she's trying to get through them as fast as possible. Also, they do have a counselor! Hugh Culber! Who is sometimes the doctor too when the other lady is busy??
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I'm just kind of taken that you disliked Lower Decks but liked SNW. I found SNW...okay at best, and veering into bad when they put the xenomorph in Star Trek. I can still get why people liked it, the cast is charismatic and fun and doing their best with material that is okay at best. And not everyone has the brain problems I have where I hate all the new costumes and effects and makeup and the new design of the Constitution. Lower Decks is the furthest from undercutting Starfleet ideals of any of the current shows. In fact there's an entire episode this season where the joke is that Mariner doesn't believe that Starfleet will stick to it's ideals and the lengths she goes only to find out that, yes Starfleet sticks to it's ideals and is a force for good. It's not just layering on references, it's very clear they get what people love about Trek and they can condense an episode of it down to 30 minutes and spice it up with jokes. It's great.
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Lower Decks is also getting progressively better. In Season 2 they toned down Mariner and stopped putting her at the centre of every story. I guess the way I'd describe the feel of Season 3 is 'the show no longer thinks it is much funnier than it actually is' which makes it much more watchable.
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The bugs the conspiracy theorists talk about in the most recent episode are the ones from Conspiracy, the infamously gory TNG episode from season 1. Love a good Boimler freakout!
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Facebook Aunt posted:Sisko is a dick to former borg. Well, to Picard anyway, and there's no reason to think he wouldn't extend that prejudice to all other victims of the borg who managed to escape the collective. The only reason Sisko was mad at Picard was because Picard killed his wife. I bet he'd treat any ex-Borg who didn't kill his wife even handedly though.
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Mx. posted:what? lower decks is big into showing how much it loves star trek, and the ideals of the federation, and i think it's weird that you look at it and go "it all seems so totally harmless until you realise you don't actually give a poo poo about anything." Roomtone's whole shtick seems to be spraying bizarre, very negative poo poo-takes all over TVIV, usually based on their own highly idiosyncratic and often baffling criteria. Which they're entitled to do, of course
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new ep is up; probably my favorite of the season so far, especially the A story moving Rutherford’s story forward finally, and the secondary having civilians raise all the weird poo poo that characterizes or has happened to starfleet over the years.
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