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Yeah, the dropships were great. They’re one of the few designs Disney has made that looks like a real evolution of a earlier one, in the way that the Acclamators evolved into Star Destroyers, and the Jedi Starfighters became the TIE fighters.
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There was a brief discussion of that dropship design in the TVIV thread, and I think its really effective because its basically the clone wars LAAT by way of cheap rent-a-cop knockoff. Like they wanted so badly to play at stormtroopers but couldn't afford it so they get a drop ship 1/4th the size, that can fit 6 guys crammed in with no seats, crash webbing only. The production design on the show is really selling everything they're trying to get us to buy imo Syril tailoring his uniform to tighten it up tells us a lot about him, but also signals the look of the tight vested soldiers he deploys with later! All the normies have their nice loose fitting uniform but hes out here turning his dress vest into a cosplay plate carrier
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I liked the shot of the cop mothership in hyperspace, it looked like a miniature
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Finished TFA with my son. He enjoyed it...and so did I. The first part more than the latter part in my case. It's all downhill the moment Poe returns to the movie as that signals the point where Rey stops making mistakes (lol at her trying to shoot after claiming she knows how guns work only to forget the safety), gets powers for free, another Death Star (but bigger!), another trench run and all knowing janitor Finn (who was actually a storm trooper). But hey, it's a very pretty movie at least. And it's at least fun that they had a bunch of space battles not actually in space. Finn is mostly immensely compelling in this movie except the "I used to work on the Star killer so I know nearly everything". He has great scenes with Rey who is still fun in this movie as well. Imagine a trilogy where him and Rey were together the whole time. Something I didn't notice first time I viewed it is how badly planned this entire attack is. In ANH and ROTJ they don't show the planning stage, but they make it seem like they spent a lot of time analyzing the death star. In this movie they stand around the table, one scientist yells some stuff. Finn tells them about the technical layout, because apparently that's stuff he knows about the secret super weapon.  And then the same scientist is like "all right, hit that." And off they go. They only sent Xwings. The resistance apparently has 0 cruisers or other fighters they wanted to send. Sure, there is a time schedule, but it feels so oddly cheap. Anyway, like I said my son liked it quite a lot. He laughed at Kylo's temper tantrums and the storm troopers reactions to them. He loved Han Solo and jumped in his seat when Kylo suddenly stabbed him. He did have a few observations: 1: "Kylo fights completely different from the other fights we've seen!" "Yep, that's one of the things I like a lot about Kylo. He swings his sword like it's this huge and heavy thing." "Oh, that's the wide arcs! How much do you think lightsabers weigh." "Probably not a lot since it's mostly light." I like how he sometimes picks up on things but doesn't know what he's picking up. 2: Why is Leia hugging Rey?  "I don't know. Chewie is right there and he lost his lifelong friend." 3: Is Luke going to talk? "Yes but not in this movie." 4: "Will the next movie start with Rey standing there holding the sword out?" "Yes." 5: I want to know more about Snoke. I just told him we'd watch the other movies, I can't wait for him to discover the nothing that he is, how he goes out like a chump and his entire backstory is 1 minute of screen time in a jar.  Amusingly, while he didn't start about it, he did wonder where the First Order came from. But he doesn't really consider it much of a problem, but it's just a weird thing to him how it's Empire gone > First Order. Rebels? His primary hope at present is that Luke is going to train Rey. Despite liking Luke a lot he doesn't appear to have any particular expectations for his further role in the story. I think he's going to love TLJ considering how pretty it is.
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Im looking forward to what he thinks of TLJ and which side he'll fall on. Him wanting to know more about Snoke may or may not kill him. Have you shown him the SNL Kylo skits? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaOSCASqLsE
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Darth TNT posted:Finn is mostly immensely compelling in this movie except the "I used to work on the Star killer so I know nearly everything". He has great scenes with Rey who is still fun in this movie as well. Imagine a trilogy where him and Rey were together the whole time. This made a lot more sense to me when I learned it was just sloppy because of late changes in the story. Their plan in the released movie and Finn's sudden change from stormtrooper to janitor that knows everything about this planet-sized base is for the reasons you said.What they originally had in mind was instead of having to have Han do that hyperspace in atmosphere jump for them to all disable the shield, the Resistance was going to also have some kind of super weapon shield-busting ship that could pierce the shield and then would have a large fighter bay on the front that the X-Wings would fly out of. That would have made it make more sense of like yeah these X-Wings aren't our only ships just the only ones we can deploy against this shield at this time. The size/power of the Resistance and First Order feels completely fluid throughout the trilogy because of stuff like that. But LOL remember how hyped up people were for Captain Phasma and think of who much even less screen time she would have had without Han/folks infiltrating the base. Mameluke posted:I liked the shot of the cop mothership in hyperspace, it looked like a miniature I really dug this. I loved all the cop stuff in general because while I don't really know enough Star Wars to know what ships are from what or whatever, they did a great job making all the cop stuff look like military surpluss/not quite on par with the imperial navy's stuff. Like just the exact self-important overkill bullshit you'd expect. Hell even the idea of them needing a fully armored 12 person assault team just to capture one guy sounded like complete overkill when the Sgt. suggested it. Look at how much almost everyone Andor interacts with is sick of his bullshit, Karn probably could have just flown down himself and made a "hey this guy murdered two people in cold blood let us know if you've seen him" announcement and probably more than just Timm would have talked.
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You guys weren't kidding, Andor is great. Especially the last episode, that was a very neat way to tie things up and open up for future development.
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Neo Rasa posted:
No, that's reasonable. It's not 12 guys to make the arrest. It's 12 guys to do searches, provide security, do crowd control on a planet unfriendly to espos, guard the dropships (oops), and still have overwhelming force for the arrest team. There was a fight at a party across the street from me. SFPD rolled nine cars. They had 6 or 7 groups of witnesses, each with an officer interviewing them, two cops watching the suspect, and a supervisor coordinating the whole thing. Compared to going after someone who killed two guards, 12 starts to look like they could have used more.
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Sep 23, 2022 23:05
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https://twitter.com/CultureCrave/status/1573459926562705408
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Sep 24, 2022 00:55
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kenobi sounded like it was all AI anyway
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It's hosed up that that's most people's takeaway of the article and not that the people at Respeecher working on the voice were doing so from makeshift bomb shelters in Ukraine.
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Sep 24, 2022 01:18
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I think you guys are perhaps overhyping Andor a touch, but it's very clearly not the shitshow that Obi-Wan was.
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Glottis posted:I think you guys are perhaps overhyping Andor a touch, but it's very clearly not the shitshow that Obi-Wan was. they set the bar so low with the most recent 2 shows and Andor does so many things well!
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Sep 24, 2022 01:43
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Glottis posted:I think you guys are perhaps overhyping Andor a touch, but it's very clearly not the shitshow that Obi-Wan was. The consensus on it is that it's the first Star Wars show that touches being a Prestige show, which is pretty much where it is right now. It has a lot of potential to rise and probably won't fall to the levels of Boba, much less Obi Wan.
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I already consider it a success on the basis of the first three episode "movie". Even if the show was poo poo from here, by its pretty self-contained nature I think that part can largely stand alone as Good Star Wars. That said yeah you have to take it in the context that everyone's standards are in the crater
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Considering it’s a show about “that guy from that thing, you know the Star Wars thing, Rouge Five or something, no I don’t remember his name” I wonder if this was another Mando S1 situation where it was good because no one in the boardroom got their grubby fingers on it.
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galagazombie posted:Considering it’s a show about “that guy from that thing, you know the Star Wars thing, Rouge Five or something, no I don’t remember his name” I wonder if this was another Mando S1 situation where it was good because no one in the boardroom got their grubby fingers on it. That's literally what happened. Disney saw Obi Wan as their big super Prestige thing, while this is something to bridge people subscribing.
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Sep 24, 2022 03:36
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Bad news for season 2!
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Yeah, Kenobi had way to many cooks in the kitchen, which led to a pretty torturous development. It was apparently in development since at least 2017, with Stephen Daldry to direct a movie allegedly about Obi-Wan settling a dispute between moisture farmers and Tuskens, with Luke and his family caught in the middle. The story then evolved, with Stuart Beattie writing a version of the story where Obi-Wan had to leave Tatooine for some reason, and left Commander Cody behind to look after Luke. Reva didn't know Anakin was Vader, but knew that Anakin was the one who killed all the other younglings so legitimately bought into the propaganda that the Jedi had betrayed the Republic and thought she was doing the right thing by hunting them down. Then Solo came out, and the studio decided to put a stop to any further standalone movies and pivot to Disney+ series' instead. They hired Hossein Amini to expand the movie's plot into a series, then hired Deborah Chow to direct and rewrote the series again with Joby Harold serving as showrunner.
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Robot Style posted:Yeah, Kenobi had way to many cooks in the kitchen, which led to a pretty torturous development. Someone at Disney really really wanted to use tuskens for a water/land rights metaphor and lol that Boba Fett is when they finally shrugged and said "sure fine whatever man"
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Wolfsheim posted:Someone at Disney really really wanted to use tuskens for a water/land rights metaphor and lol that Boba Fett is when they finally shrugged and said "sure fine whatever man" It was the only good part of the entire show too. Then they Poochied that entire plotline.
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To be fair, that's also an element in the Kenobi novel from 2013, Ewan McGregor has mentioned reading, so it might come from there. Though the Tuskens have slowly been getting more screentime throughout The Mandalorian and Book of Boba Fett, so there's definitely someone interested in exploring them more.
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2house2fly posted:Bad news for season 2! Quick, someone pitch a Phasma show or something. Sorry Gwendoline!
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May or may not be because of the new Dune coming out.
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I could actually see someone doing a good Phasma show/comic/media property where she somehow survives TLJ (did she even die? cannot remember) and sets out to do a Kill Bill style revenge list, but with each new mediocre ST location or character she encounters she becomes more and more disillusioned with her mission with the whole thing being a commentary on soulless reboots You could only do it after Disney has fully abandoned the idea that the ST will ever make them money so someone who loathes SW could sneak it by (basically a KOTOR2 situation) but it's the only way I could see anything worthwhile coming after Ep IX
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Wolfsheim posted:I could actually see someone doing a good Phasma show/comic/media property where she somehow survives TLJ (did she even die? cannot remember) She fell into a hole, but that didn't stop Maul, Boba Fett, Palpatine, and Han from showing up again either.
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Robot Style posted:She fell into a hole, but that didn't stop Maul, Boba Fett, Palpatine, and Han from showing up again either. Or Phasma the first time
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Robot Style posted:She fell into a hole, but that didn't stop Maul, Boba Fett, Palpatine, and Han from showing up again either. I think Rian said he left it ambiguous in case the next director wanted to continue the story Lol
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Phasma and Finn leading a storm trooper revolt woulda been pretty cool, ngl.
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Tie her into Book of Boba and have one or both of them fall into a Death Pit every single episode.
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Phasma retires from stormtrooping, opens a casino and dance hall, just sorta shows up in future SW content as a weirdo socialite. Look I just want to see Christie in weird sci-fi dresses surrounded by aliens.
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I have a nearly limitless list of critiques about TRoS, but not continuing the gag of Phasma inexplicably surviving is a big one.
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Phasma has a whole career of falling down holes. I wish we saw her kick rear end more like she did in TLJ. Based on the title, my son has decided that the Last Jedi means that Luke will train Rey and then die, leaving her as the titular last Jedi. I tried to offer the alternative explanation that Luke is currently the last Jedi, but I’m pretty sure he’s made up his mind.
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This first block of Andor is pretty good but the bar is so low after booka and showbi Feels like the first star war where the serial numbers could be entirely sanded down, but it looks pretty good, has cool textures and characters, etc.
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Darth TNT posted:Phasma has a whole career of falling down holes. I wish we saw her kick rear end more like she did in TLJ. I completely blank out on any action scenes with her, apart from her underwhelming confrontation with Finn. I guees she could be seen as a badass there, but for me she was undercut by her previous portrayal, where she was about as effective and intimidating as the Shockmaster. You could replace the Knights of Ren in TRoS with her and not have to change a thing.
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Grendels Dad posted:I completely blank out on any action scenes with her, apart from her underwhelming confrontation with Finn. I guees she could be seen as a badass there, but for me she was undercut by her previous portrayal, where she was about as effective and intimidating as the Shockmaster. You could replace the Knights of Ren in TRoS with her and not have to change a thing. Oh absolutely. Phasma was made a joke in TFA and ends as a joke. Like the shattered helmet means anything to use since we have 0 relation to her. But her armor reflecting a laser blast and her whipping out a spear to take Finn on was pretty cool. She technically had a better showing than Boba Fett. Imagine a movie with an actual storyline for Finn, with her as his big bad. Neo Rasa posted:This made a lot more sense to me when I learned it was just sloppy because of late changes in the story. Their plan in the released movie and Finn's sudden change from stormtrooper to janitor that knows everything about this planet-sized base is That would’ve been quite a lot better. I wonder why they changed it. Though I wasn’t a fan of Han hyperspace jumping into the atmosphere either.
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There's probably something to be said how design by committee, recuts and reshoots always seem to slash away at minority roles even if it makes the results incomprehensible. See also Josstice League.
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