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Boba Pearl posted:I didn't know enough to argue, so I kind of just nodded and made a decision, though hearing this then I'm just going to go with google translate. goatse webcomics with a few dozen readers can't actually genocide anyone
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some plague rats posted:This seems like completely dramatic nonsense to me. If a language is being "snuffed out in a genocidal sense" I think that requires actual intent and action on behalf of the genocidal power, along with a concerted effort to stamp out other markers of the identity that go along with it. People simply ceasing to speak it because it's not useful doesn't strike me as genocidal at all?? There's no penalty for learning or speaking Scots, there's no law against it, you're not going to get made of any more than you normally would. There's just very little incentive to do so, and no grand push to save it the way there are for other minority dialects for a bunch of reasons, I guess the main one being that there isn't really a specific single language that can be thought of as "scots" it's an aggregation of a bunch of different languages, slang, a thick accent and currently extant words. The Scots that someone like Robert Burns wrote in bears sod all resemblance to anything those translators would spit out, for example. Emzedoh posted:Well, this conversation took a bit of a swerve. I don't about genocide, but you could get belted for speaking Scots in school back in the 80s. The line is further blurred because usually cultural genocide and physical genocide go hand in hand (as in my Australian and Canadian examples above), with the latter often transitioning to the former as actively murdering certain people becomes less socially acceptable. Or the former is used as a cover for the latter (if I'm already bumming you out do not google Canadian residential schools). As Emzedoh's story shows, and this is the biggest problem with your post SPR, just because something is officially totes acceptable now does not erase the ongoing effects of the legacy of historical persecution. Women and other minorities in the US officially have all the same rights as white men now (or, well, did until earlier this year) but I'm pretty sure you'd agree there are a few ongoing issues with cultural inertia and entrenched hierarchies. England's been making GBS threads on their neighbours for millenia, that they've been so successful that all that's required to wrap things up is a few more decades of "lol the accents are funny tho" from other countries is not a point in their favour. Ireland doesn't have Wendyses. e: oh and boba I don't hold any of your posts against you because a) you're trying your best and listening and that's all anyone can ask, b) the history of the British Isles is complicated and c) I haven't laughed so hard in weeks jesus christ. BTW Glasgow is a city in scotland. Splicer has a new favorite as of 11:18 on Sep 24, 2022 |
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rydiafan posted:That's why eurodance metal is the best thing this rocks 
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Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:pyf genocide
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Splicer posted:Some plague rats, I say this with love, but you have absolutely no idea what you're very authoratitively talking about. Good on you, Splicer. I was thinking it, but I was too chickenshit to say it. I'm from New Zealand myself - the same kind of poo poo happened here too and may indeed still be happening.
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Emzedoh posted:Good on you, Splicer. I was thinking it, but I was too chickenshit to say it. I'm from New Zealand myself - the same kind of poo poo happened here too and may indeed still be happening.
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Splicer I'm from Wales, both my parents and grandparents speak/spoke Welsh to a greater and lesser extent and have some absolutely miserable stories about how schooling treated them, I'm not a dumbassed American stumbling in to make a point about funny accents I just absolutely think that cultural genocide refers to things like the residential schools or the ongoing brutalizing of aboriginal Australians and anyone trying to equivocate that to the disinterest in the Scots language should be regarded with caution? England has committed more than it's share of actual no-poo poo genocides, cultural or otherwise, hell depending on your feelings about the clan system you could argue the highland clearances was a cultural genocide, but I just don't think this fits. The loss of the Scots language was not an external imposition, right?
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Emzedoh posted:Good on you, Splicer. I was thinking it, but I was too chickenshit to say it. I'm from New Zealand myself - the same kind of poo poo happened here too and may indeed still be happening. How are the Maori doing, anyway, I heard that- oh. oh no
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some plague rats posted:How are the Maori doing, anyway, I heard that- oh. oh no https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/113447270/yes-we-are-the-stolen-generations
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some plague rats posted:Splicer I'm from Wales, both my parents and grandparents speak/spoke Welsh to a greater and lesser extent and have some absolutely miserable stories about how schooling treated them, I'm not a dumbassed American stumbling in to make a point about funny accents. I just absolutely think that cultural genocide refers to things like the residential schools or the ongoing brutalizing of aboriginal Australians and anyone trying to equivocate that to the disinterest in the Scots language should be regarded with caution? England has committed more than it's share of actual no-poo poo genocides, cultural or otherwise, hell depending on your feelings about the clan system you could argue the highland clearances was a cultural genocide, but I just don't think this fits. There being worse examples of something does not mean that the lesser version is not an example of that thing, and something simply being a less bad version of something else can make it very hard to make it acknowledged. I believe this is referred to on the forums as the "Darfur War Orphan Fallacy". I would definitely not start a conversation about phonetic webcomic accents by accusing the author of doing a genocide though, and the person who did could be a native scots speaker using hyperbole to make a point, or a random tumblrite who got inexplicably radicalised by the discourse around the fake scots twitter fad from a while back, or anyone in between. (e: edited the previous sentence to clear up some ambiguous wording). But your original points, and this here: some plague rats posted:The loss of the Scots language was not an external imposition, right? There's a whole bunch more I could go into here about the effectiveness of categorising certain languages and dialects as "lower class" to supress their associated cultures but I'm genuinely not qualified enough to make a proper go of it, especially not in the post your favourite comics thread. The decline of any regional language/dialect is a lot more complex than "People simply ceasing to speak it because it's not useful", is what I am trying to get at here. Also just to gently caress with Boba a bit more, Scots, Scots Gaelic, and (Gaeilge) Gaelic, are three distinct things. Splicer has a new favorite as of 13:18 on Sep 24, 2022 |
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Splicer posted:Also just to gently caress with Boba a bit more, Scots, Scots Gaelic, and Gaelic, are three distinct things. Can we combine this info with that venn diagram outlining the UK/ Great Britain/ the British Isles/etc etc? I'm not confused enough yet.
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I'm still reeling learning that the irish were colonized by scottish britons.
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Also that Scottish Constantine comic's accents are absolute shite. Powerful "oh ya I'm in third year film and television studies!?" vibes.
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Boba Pearl posted:I'm still reeling learning that the irish were colonized by scottish britons. Splicer has a new favorite as of 14:24 on Sep 24, 2022 |
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https://youtu.be/cGQTG0vXSyg It's not often I get to share this poem, because it's not often people discuss the Scots language being erased.
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Boba, if I recall correctly you changed your layout to the current model, with separated panels and speech bubbles in the gaps, to make it easier for phone reading. As somebody who reads exclusively on a phone, I prefer this old format a thousand times over. The current version fucks with immersion in a subtle way, I think, through literally breaking up the story; not only are the panels literally disconnected, causing the events to feel metaphorically disconnected, but I have to ping pong back and forth between the images and the dialogue. Might just be me, though, kinda like people who can't handle subtitles. 
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Never expected to see this sort of discussion about Scots in the PYF Comic: I'm Coming... I'm Coming... I Don't Understand... But I'm Coming... thread. Personally haven't really encountered any discrimination for my accent and speaking my own local dialect (Doric from the north east) beyond folk from the central belt calling me a sheep shagging bastard, which is fair enough. No official discrimination beyond teachers telling me to pronounce my Ts. I do the shift in vocabulary/pronunciation when speaking to people I assume won't understand the dialect. I'm in Edinburgh now and the funny thing is that I will speak in a broader accent to people from Leith or Gorgie (historically poorer areas of the city) even though the dialects are different to my own - there's an unconscious code switching to match the perceived Scottishness of the listener that probably tracks with culturally ingrained perceptions of status and wealth. So I'll find myself saying 'fit like?' (North East Scottish 'what's up') to people who wouldn't say that themselves, but they usually understand me. My weegie friends and colleagues have lots more anecdotes about being made fun of, imitated etc for how they sound, particularly when in England. I wouldn't be surprised if there's sometimes discrimination in a practical sense - being passed up for jobs, promotion etc based on how they sound. I imagine the same thing happens for Northern English accents.
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I thought the last set of strips was the end of the human chair story and I think that would have made for a better ending. "Yoshiko eventually disappeared and no one knows what happens to her, but check this out *peels away chair lining to reveal her and the stalker's bodies*" is all the more horrifying if you don't explain how she came to be there. "She ended up getting together with her stalker and they lived in chairs and also these are my grandparents and I use their naked mummies as a pick-up line, wanna lounge it up w me, babe?" is a whole different kind of creepy and I'd rather have whatever imagined horror the peeling panel inspired than the mundane horror of "creepy dude gets his way, goes on to raise creepy kids."
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Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:pyf genocide And not even getting into the webcomic Genocide Man.
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Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:pyf genocide I think the funniest act of cultural genocide has to be that lady who wrote the majority of content in the Scots wikipedia without knowing any Scots and just making poo poo up and writing in English with a bad Scottish "accent"
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CrocodileKingSaysNO posted:LAST TIME ON BACK       
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Boba Pearl posted:e: If someone on twitter hits up your DMs like "Did you know this is genocide," I'm not sure what the correct response is. Screenshot it, get a sense of where else this person might be online, and block every single possible avenue of approach, starting with their Twitter account. They are lacking in hinge.
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Kaoru Mori: Anything and Something Burrow Gentlemen's Club          Today: Mori appreciates bunny girls For this one, I would also like to present this part from the commentary in volume 4 of Emma:  Which of course was followed by this in the next volume: 
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She certainly does have a strong entirely aesthetic appreciation for the female form. I hope she finds a nice girl to be good friends and roommates with.
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So what I'm getting here is that gentleman's clubs are a creepy as hell concept for a place, for a job, for people to exist at in general in Japan also. Maybe that's the other point i dunno, besides the excuse to draw sexy rabbit women instead of incredibly detailed textiles.
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CJacobs posted:So what I'm getting here is that gentleman's clubs are a creepy as hell concept for a place, for a job, for people to exist at in general in Japan also. Maybe that's the other point i dunno, besides the excuse to draw sexy rabbit women instead of incredibly detailed textiles. No, you’re right Also maybe bunny girls are immortal ageless beings
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The Shining bar but for bunny girls and I guess I'm ok with that other than the butt palming. If you cop a feel you end up trapped inside a photograph/wire cage with ground up wood chips forever
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I tend to scroll past anything with more than like 4 panels or walls of text so I managed to miss the anime pedo stuff and genocide poo poo lol.CJacobs posted:So what I'm getting here is that gentleman's clubs are a creepy as hell concept for a place, for a job, for people to exist at in general in Japan also. Maybe that's the other point i dunno, besides the excuse to draw sexy rabbit women instead of incredibly detailed textiles. How about stick figure's clubs?  E: just noticed there's no signature, it's PBF of course mobby_6kl has a new favorite as of 22:16 on Sep 24, 2022 |
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forming phalli nart nips are fine but i draw the line at stick nudes. Please censor that
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mobby_6kl posted:I tend to scroll past anything with more than like 4 panels or walls of text so I managed to miss the anime pedo stuff and genocide poo poo lol.  It's the homies that are racing to get there that tickle me the most
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Splicer posted:Also just to gently caress with Boba a bit more, Scots, Scots Gaelic, and (Gaeilge) Gaelic, are three distinct things. Standard Scottish English takes it up to four :v  From the author's commentary: "Here again rather than just wizards zappin frieballs and waving wands I wanted to portray it as being something more abstract. Here the struggle over the warriors soul is depicted via the lens of two old folk songs twa corbies and three ravens. Obvously twa corbies (two crows) is the much more sinister dour version Also I gave Malcolm a change of hair style mid way through a magic ritual. Why? Thats the beauty a magic mate"   Animated page: The Ale Oath https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqnoChK7JBE  Meanwhile... 
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