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doverhog posted:This is why feudalism is superior to capitalism. You swear oaths of fealty to your lord and he in turn protects you. Under capitalism you have no value except what profit can be extracted from you. Capital accumulates capital and in the end unless you are part of the 1%, you will be either homeless hunted for sport or a slave living a rented apartment your employer owns. A few years more, unless you are in the 0.001% you and your line will be dead on a dead earth while your copied mind will work as a slave in Musk's Mars colony. Fuedal ties did not exist in this way and there is a huge amount of arguments as to how or even if a Fuedal "system" existed.
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Josef bugman posted:Fuedal ties did not exist in this way and there is a huge amount of arguments as to how or even if a Fuedal "system" existed. Is this feudalism denial? Could you not take shelter in the castle when the other nearby lord attacked?
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There is such a thing as an N-Word Pass, but it is strictly ceremonial. It's like when they give a little kid a pair of pilot wings; if they actually try to grab the controls then they are in SO MUCH TROUBLE.
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:I think you're probably right. There are online leftists who tend to be pretty good on the major issues, but they lack solidarity (or even just the ability to empathize) with struggling working class folks. It may not entirely be their fault in a lot of cases; capital has worked hard to keep us atomized and alienated from each other to destroy any sort of solidarity from happening. Sure, I don't think its nefarious or calculated. I think its largely that the concept of "better world" is equated heavily with "material wealth and comfort" for so many people because of centuries of capitalist propaganda
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800peepee51doodoo posted:Yeah, I think lots of people don't quite get that the point of capitalism is the creation and maintenance of hierarchical power structures and that greed and money are just the tools to achieve that power. Which leads me to a related PHUO: many, if not most, online leftists and anticapitalists are perfectly fine with the status quo and just want more money and less work for themselves. I don't think a lot of them can imagine a world that doesn't heavily rely on servant labor and I get the impression that many would not be willing to trade 2am Uber Eats taco bell deliveries for human liberation. As an example, I've seen plenty of "communists" argue for nationalizing Amazons logistics infrastructure, as if it wasn't built entirely on abusive labor practices. Just speculating, but I believe thats at least one reason why we have so many tankies/authcoms taking up space in online leftist communities - people not willing to imagine giving up one iota of comfort even if it means a better world for everyone. Lol where are you getting this idea? A gut feeling in your little tumtums?
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Manager Hoyden posted:Lol where are you getting this idea? A gut feeling in your little tumtums? “A number of people who follow a political ideology haven’t really thought it through” shouldn’t be controversial even when it’s the ideology you subscribe to. Socialists are human too, just as flawed and prone to error as the rest of humanity
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Sep 24, 2022 20:16
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thetoughestbean posted:“A number of people who follow a political ideology haven’t really thought it through” shouldn’t be controversial even when it’s the ideology you subscribe to. That can be said about any group of human beings on earth edit: and by the way, every person who is not an idiot wants to work less. That's most of the history of the labor movement. Also, work has no moral value at all and shouldn't be discussed as if it does. Manager Hoyden has a new favorite as of 20:24 on Sep 24, 2022 |
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I'm sure lots of capitalists and leftists you see online are just victims of propaganda and never had an original thought, or at least never posted it, because they are looking for approval from a peer group, real or imaginary. thetoughestbean posted:“A number of people who follow a political ideology haven’t really thought it through” shouldn’t be controversial even when it’s the ideology you subscribe to. The real world has proved that social democracy is the best form of government, as has been tried so far.
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If a country’s economy collapses a week after appointing a new monarch, that monarch should take all of the blame, be forced to abdicate, and exiled to an island.
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Manager Hoyden posted:That can be said about any group of human beings on earth Yeah, so it’s not worth getting worked up when it’s your guys’s turn
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Gripweed posted:If a country’s economy collapses a week after appointing a new monarch, that monarch should take all of the blame, be forced to abdicate, and exiled to an island. What if they're already on the worst island though?
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Facebook has more of a purpose for its existence than Twitter: it keeps you in touch with your friends and family. It's an open question whether this is a good thing or a bad thing; your mileage may vary. But that's a reason for using it that actually makes some sense, despite how terrible a platform and company it is. Twitter has no purpose aside from artificially limiting your character count for....reasons?
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Based on the last couple pages this is apparently an unpopular opinion, but driving is for the most part fun. The only exception is in big cities where everything is super congested, or particular highways that feel like you're in a mad max hellscape like the DC beltway. I actually miss the commute to work since we went remote because of covid. It was time where I was neither at home nor working and I could listen to the morning radio shows etc and actually clear my mind. I don't particularly mind cyclists...it's the idiots blasting their horn at me when i'm unable to safely pass them on winding roads that are the problem.
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Sep 24, 2022 23:00
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doverhog posted:Is this feudalism denial? Could you not take shelter in the castle when the other nearby lord attacked? No. Mainly because the castle would be loving miles away, on a border.
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Sep 24, 2022 23:11
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The meaning/spelling of Their, There and They're should rotate every few years.
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Their fine the way there right now
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Feudalism is cool because I’d be a cool knight going on fun quests and I’d definitely not die of dysentery or be one of the oppressed farmers
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Maybe capitalism is better than feudalism, but not by much. You can still die from dysentery or be an oppressed farmer today.
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Reforestation should be a major global political goal.
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Gripweed posted:Reforestation should be a major global political goal. It sounds good on paper, but if it feels futile with the unrestricted growth of our population and urbanization going on.
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yeah I eat rear end posted:It sounds good on paper, but if it feels futile with the unrestricted growth of our population and urbanization. These are things that can be handled, though. Make denser, livable cities and help spread birth control.
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thetoughestbean posted:These are things that can be handled, though. Make denser, livable cities and help spread birth control. They can be, but they aren't. And I don't think that is a good solution. Dense cities are the problem, we have a lot of room, let's spread out.
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yeah I eat rear end posted:They can be, but they aren't. And I don't think that is a good solution. Dense cities are the problem, we have a lot of room, let's spread out. Increased sprawl would only make things worse
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Spreading out doesn't mean sprawl. You shouldn't live farther than a mile from anything you need
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As long as we have capitalism, we'll have deforestation. Infinite growth for infinite profit means that natural resources like forests are going to be exploited until they're used up.
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:As long as we have capitalism, we'll have deforestation. Infinite growth for infinite profit means that natural resources like forests are going to be exploited until they're used up. Capitalism is hardly unique in that respect. Look up what the Soviets did to the Aral Sea sometime.
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Powered Descent posted:Capitalism is hardly unique in that respect. Look up what the Soviets did to the Aral Sea sometime. Exactly, people are the problem, not politics or economics.
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Powered Descent posted:Capitalism is hardly unique in that respect. Look up what the Soviets did to the Aral Sea sometime. Capitalism is the only system I know of that is bringing us to the brink of ecological collapse because of the greed of a single industry.
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:Capitalism is the only system I know of that is bringing us to the brink of ecological collapse because of the greed of a single industry. Which industry? The energy industry? Because most of the energy industry is state-owned
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thetoughestbean posted:Which industry? The energy industry? Because most of the energy industry is state-owned The oil and gas industry.
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yeah I eat rear end posted:Exactly, people are the problem, not politics or economics. Is this a joke, if so, smooth. If not, do you know what politics or economics deal with? thetoughestbean posted:Which industry? The energy industry? Because most of the energy industry is state-owned States can be capitalist too. In the US for example almost all politicians are owned by the billionaires that fund their campaigns.
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doverhog posted:Is this a joke, if so, smooth. If not, do you know what politics or economics deal with? Yes, but also no. If we kept our population to a reasonable level our political and economical decisions wouldn't matter.
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:The oil and gas industry. Okay so, yes, the energy industry. Does energy not need to be supplied to socialist and communist states? doverhog posted:States can be capitalist too. In the US for example almost all politicians are owned by the billionaires that fund their campaigns. I am aware of state capitalism, yes, although imo that better describes Putin’s Russia and Xi’s China. The idea that all politicians are owned by billionaires is just not true, though. Do donors and lobbyists have a significantly larger influence in democracy than an individual common person? Yes. But to say that almost all politicians are bought and paid for is to discount the incredibly powerful role of ideology and personal belief. Look at Trump—one of the most corrupt presidents in US history and no amount of money given to him would have made him give up his coup attempt. Anyways my PHUO is that steampunk is due a comeback. poo poo rules
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thetoughestbean posted:Anyways my PHUO is that steampunk is due a comeback. poo poo rules I would watch the poo poo out of wild wild west 2. It could be will smith's redemption tour. He could slap steam-powered chris rock in the face, but since he's robotic it wouldn't hurt him and they could talk out their difference before breaking out into a new music video (no loveless edition)
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thetoughestbean posted:Okay so, yes, the energy industry. Does energy not need to be supplied to socialist and communist states? Yes, of course it does. Are polluting industries our only choice? F_Shit_Fitzgerald has a new favorite as of 02:53 on Sep 25, 2022 |
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:Yes, of course it does. Are polluting industries our only choice? Of course it isn’t, we need to move to geothermal, hydro, and solar power with nuclear as a way to help make the bridge to relying solely on them, but until that’s possible, we need to rely on fossil fuels to meet our energy needs My point is that even the nominally communist states use fossil fuels as their primary source of power thetoughestbean has a new favorite as of 03:06 on Sep 25, 2022 |
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yeah I eat rear end posted:Yes, but also no. If we kept our population to a reasonable level our political and economical decisions wouldn't matter. That makes no sense unless you define "reasonable level" as 0.
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thetoughestbean posted:Of course it isn’t, we need to move to geothermal, hydro, and solar power with nuclear as a way to help make the bridge to relying solely on them, but until that’s possible, we need to rely on fossil fuels to meet our energy needs That's mainly being done in, suprisingly, China. https://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/what-if-china-saved-the-world-and-nobody-noticed-20220818-p5bavz.html
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Josef bugman posted:That's mainly being done in, suprisingly, China. Huh that is surprising. Good thing, though
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