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Charlz Guybon posted:I'm hearing about insane videos on Telegram. I don't have the stomach to go look for that stuff, but this is what's been described yo me WW2 had plenty of tactics and strategy. Having conscripts charge head-on is a WW1 situation.
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Charlz Guybon posted:I'm hearing about insane videos on Telegram. I don't have the stomach to go look for that stuff, but this is what's been described yo me I hate to look for those, but I also hate to just believe Russia is truly reduced to untrained human wave attacks simply because a random twitter account says so. Wavering in my good sense here.
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Charlz Guybon posted:I'm hearing about insane videos on Telegram. I don't have the stomach to go look for that stuff, but this is what's been described yo me Not to back seat mod but you keep posting these random Twitter accounts with very dubious claims. There are likely no conscripts at the front lines yet, the mobilization order went out a couple of days ago they will at the very least have a couple weeks of training. They weren't shipped on an overnight train handed a bolt action rifle and told to charge the Ukranians or be shot.
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Popete posted:Not to back seat mod but you keep posting these random Twitter accounts with very dubious claims. There are likely no conscripts at the front lines yet, the mobilization order went out a couple of days ago they will at the very least have a couple weeks of training. They weren't shipped on an overnight train handed a bolt action rifle and told to charge the Ukranians or be shot. Folks at the Internet VFW have seen it and called it Highway of Death Ukraine edition Charlz Guybon fucked around with this message at 05:35 on Sep 27, 2022 |
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Popete posted:Not to back seat mod but you keep posting these random Twitter accounts with very dubious claims. There are likely no conscripts at the front lines yet, the mobilization order went out a couple of days ago they will at the very least have a couple weeks of training. They weren't shipped on an overnight train handed a bolt action rifle and told to charge the Ukranians or be shot. Weeks??! Your confidence in Russia is astounding. Days if not hours.
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Popete posted:Not to back seat mod but you keep posting these random Twitter accounts with very dubious claims. There are likely no conscripts at the front lines yet, the mobilization order went out a couple of days ago they will at the very least have a couple weeks of training. They weren't shipped on an overnight train handed a bolt action rifle and told to charge the Ukranians or be shot. i've seen some rumors on twitter that either through desperation or lack of training resources, at least some draftees are now being sent forward or it is likely they will be sent forward imminently. https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1574133996967034881 https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1574265869097738241 if the rumors pan out, to me it still seems highly unlikely that they'd be thrown pell-mell into direct frontal assaults, rather than backfilling rear echelon tasks or possibly helping to plug gaps in the russian line
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It would do Russia no good to just immediately throw untrained and unmotivated conscripts directly into frontline combat, I don't think Russia's situation is Stalingrad levels of desperate yet. I'm not saying Russia won't screw this up. But it seems more likely these guys are going to get at least some training so they aren't just completely useless wherever they wind up.
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https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1574525280185638925 These Ukrainians told the NYT that Wagner was having prisoners charge directly into the frontline, I guess Wagner is probably more Like That than the actual army?
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I'm not sure there's any reason to assume Russian competence at this point. The Tsarist army in WW1 was less of a shitshow than this.
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Charlz Guybon posted:Folks at the Internet VFW have seen it and called it Highway of Death Ukraine edition i'm not saying it's not true, but it's solidly still a twitter rumor and 'someone in vfw ambiguously saw something online' does not make it any less of a rumor so far also that tweets been going around for almost 48 hours now
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It does seem somewhat incredible in the literal sense of stretching credulity that Russia would not only be throwing conscripts at the front without training, but throwing them forward in massed infantry charges, as pointless a use of manpower as can be imagined and serving almost no practical purpose I can see compared to anything else you might do with the conscripts. It says something about the way that Russia has been conducting this war that “incredible” and “totally unbelievable” aren’t the same thing. I’d really want other sources to back this up before I start taking it as a given, but I’m not willing to dismiss it entirely out of hand, either. It’d be sorta fitting with how chaotic the mobilization has been that the use of conscripts would be equally chaotic. Maybe Ukraine consistently bombing the hell out of Russian senior command is starting to tell and Russia is literally starting to run out of people at the front who know what they’re doing, especially in command of conscripts?
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Something on a 'Highway of Death' scale would be all over twitter by now
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there was a clip going around of some bombed out vehicles on the side of the road which was pretty spectacular destruction but was only in total like 5 vehicles or something, nothing of strategic importance. until there's literally anything concrete to go off of whatsoever it's pretty pointless to speculate what that even could be in reference to. afaict currently it's all just rumors of rumors of rumors of rumors (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Charlz Guybon posted:I'm hearing about insane videos on Telegram. I don't have the stomach to go look for that stuff, but this is what's been described yo me Not to rain on your parade but it strikes me as extremely unlikely that anyone brought in as a result of Putin's mobilization order is already at the front. This sort of extraordinary claim would require some pretty compelling evidence, well beyond the latest batch of questionable war tweets.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:there was a clip going around of some bombed out vehicles on the side of the road which was pretty spectacular destruction but was only in total like 5 vehicles or something, nothing of strategic importance. until there's literally anything concrete to go off of whatsoever it's pretty pointless to speculate what that even could be in reference to. afaict currently it's all just rumors of rumors of rumors of rumors Right, and these sorts of clips have been common throughout the course of the conflict. Russian offensives (and various Ukrainian offensives, for that matter) have been getting unceremoniously squashed for weeks. A bunch of burning vehicles or deceased troops isn't evidence of waves of untrained conscripts or anything of that sort; it's evidence that a very real war is still ongoing. (Not targeting you with this reply, just adding to what you said.)
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Charlz Guybon posted:I'm hearing about insane videos on Telegram. I don't have the stomach to go look for that stuff, but this is what's been described yo me cinci edit:  /  poo poo all over the "channel"https://t.me/malcontent_news This is a German article but it says that Telegram is banning Russian and pro-Russian channels due to pressure from Apple. https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/news/druck-auf-telegram-messenger-sperrt-auf-draengen-von-apple-russische-und-prorussische-kanaele-li.270787 iOS translation: quote:Pressure on Telegram: Messenger blocks Russian and pro-Russian channels (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) Somebody fucked around with this message at 12:07 on Sep 27, 2022 |
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Herstory Begins Now posted:there was a clip going around of some bombed out vehicles on the side of the road which was pretty spectacular destruction but was only in total like 5 vehicles or something, nothing of strategic importance. https://twitter.com/tweet4anna/status/1574095368748408832?t=JXmzJeFYemQcJTwDZxT6Ow&s=19 "Omg this video is going around but I can't post it on Twitter but some serious people have seen it and it's intense you guys" is almost exactly how people described the assuredly real video of Hillary Clinton eating a child's face, so definitely take these kinds of claims with a grain of salt. Never mind that Twitter isn't the only platform in the world, and if there was a video out there of a Russian human wave getting mowed down it'd pretty quickly be the #1 post of all time on r/combatfootage at the very least.
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Popete posted:Not to back seat mod but you keep posting these random Twitter accounts with very dubious claims. There are likely no conscripts at the front lines yet, the mobilization order went out a couple of days ago they will at the very least have a couple weeks of training. They weren't shipped on an overnight train handed a bolt action rifle and told to charge the Ukranians or be shot. The conscripts are very notably being sent to the front with less than a week's training, and many with literally one or two days' worth.
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HonorableTB posted:The conscripts are very notably being sent to the front with less than a week's training, and many with literally one or two days' worth. That is the claim, yes. If that's true, it's an extraordinary sign of Russian desperation. It is very much not clear if it is true.
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The X-man cometh posted:How big is the Japanese consular office in a small city like Vladivostok? There might only be 4 staff. Vladivostok is a pretty important trade hub for Japan, especially northern Japan has very regular shipping to it. Japan only have one embassy and four consulates in all of Russia, one of them is Vladivostok. In other news, both Nord Stream links are both mysteriously malfunctioning, and both are leaking causing a drop in pressure. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/breaking-nord-stream-2-pipeline-28088792 Denmark and Sweden are offically warning ships and planes to stay away from the area (5 nautical miles from the leak) since the leaks are in Swedish and Danish waters (Outside Bornholm and Karlskrona). German government seems to suspect foul play using subs or attack divers. lilljonas fucked around with this message at 08:00 on Sep 27, 2022 |
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HonorableTB posted:The conscripts are very notably being sent to the front with less than a week's training, and many with literally one or two days' worth. Where is this being reported? Like I don't doubt that the Russian mobilization effort is a crap shoot, but claiming they are sending in mass human waves of untrained conscripts seems totally unconfirmed beyond "my uncle at Nintendo" tweets.
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Popete posted:Where is this being reported? The conscripts at the front stuff is a separate claim from the human wave claim. ISW, ukraine mod, and at least a couple credible people have reported recently mobilized people at the front, as well as russian wives reporting their husbands are being sent to the front started within 2 days of mobilization. It's also been almost a week since mobilization and the russian need for warm bodies on the line has been incredibly urgent so the simple presence of recently mobilized people on the front lines would not be especially surprising. Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 08:13 on Sep 27, 2022 |
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I have extreme scepticism regarding claims of conscripts being sent to fronts without training, especially coming from random unverified twitter accounts. I don't believe any of that poo poo right now. Get better sources
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There have been several videos of actual conscription agents telling people how much training they're going to get and what to expect to happen. There is also multiple Russian people who've been conscripted who somehow still have their phones posting what is going on too. To play that off as "poo poo my uncle from nintendo says" seems a bit ridiculous at this point.
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:I have extreme scepticism regarding claims of conscripts being sent to fronts without training, especially coming from random unverified twitter accounts. I don't believe any of that poo poo right now. Get better sources i've heard nothing whatsoever suggesting conscripts are being sent to the front. Recently mobilized people with previous military experience is a different story and that largely comes down to whether you're inclined to believe ISW or Ukrainian MOD or not. In any event we'll know for sure on that soon enough if they are
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:I have extreme scepticism regarding claims of conscripts being sent to fronts without training, especially coming from random unverified twitter accounts. I don't believe any of that poo poo right now. Get better sources I have only moderate skepticism, because "this would be insanely useless, stupid, and cruel" has never compellingly voided a course of action from the russians since this started, and several fronts were bearing down on collapse with no other real "solution" Even with nothing assured there's plausible chances it only takes days to hear confirmed stories of 0-day conscript patches to the front lines
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FSB handled the matter with the Japanese consul as discrete as they could.quote:Japan's top government spokesperson Matsuno said Moscow took the consul into custody in an "intimidating manner" blindfolding and restraining him, which was "a clear violation of the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations". German newspaper Spiegel is reporting that he was blindfolded, his hands tied and his head fixated for the interrogation. This is a breach of the Vienna Convention as well as a separate Japan-Russo treaty for handling of consular affairs. Japan is expected to retaliate with further economic sanctions.
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It's funny that a leak was found in Nordstream-2 in Danish waters yesterday, and now two leaks have been reported in Nordstream-1. Must be the season when pipe eating sharks migrate to Baltic Sea.
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The tension between wanting to appear as a reliable international partner/responsible nuclear power and wanting to saber rattle is once again palpable as Medvedev weighs in to back up Putin's play: On the one hand, he recommits Russia to the bounds of its nuclear doctrine: "If we or our allies are attacked using this type of weapon. Or if aggression with the use of conventional weapons threatens the very existence of our state. The president of Russia spoke about this directly recently." On the other, he says that "if Russia is forced to use the most formidable weapon against the Ukrainian regime, which has committed a large-scale act of aggression" to counter a threat that "exceeds the established danger limit" he still doesn't believe NATO would intervene directly. He says this, mind you, while in an earlier paragraph accusing Truss of being “completely ready to immediately begin an exchange of nuclear strikes with our country” https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...f08f9373688e9d3 tldr: sabre rattling as par for the course Nenonen posted:It's funny that a leak was found in Nordstream-2 in Danish waters yesterday, and now two leaks have been reported in Nordstream-1. Must be the season when pipe eating sharks migrate to Baltic Sea.
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PerilPastry posted:Who's likely to be behind it? I'm finding it hard to see who'd benefit from sabotage. They have become useless for Putin so I think he's using them to send a message. "There are so many pipes and cables running across the sea floor... would be bad if something happened to them." Of course it's all deniable, but there's just no chance that two gas pipes would get damaged simultaneously by accident. And we all know who is behind all these dirty tricks.
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Charlz Guybon posted:I'm hearing about insane videos on Telegram. I don't have the stomach to go look for that stuff, but this is what's been described yo me Wouldn't surprise me if that is just part of some psyops campaign trying to incite further discontent among Russian conscripts.
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gay picnic defence posted:Wouldn't surprise me if that is just part of some psyops campaign trying to incite further discontent among Russian conscripts. Yeah I'm also very skeptical of "I have proof but I can't post it trust me guys" but some replies indicate it might be this, very https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/xnwu4y/the_russian_3rd_army_corps_recently_to_fight_in/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
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mobby_6kl posted:Yeah I'm also very skeptical of "I have proof but I can't post it trust me guys" but some replies indicate it might be this, very That fighting doesn't look recent as those dead Russians are not fresh. Maybe a cleanup of a battlefield from the initial Kharkiv offensive a week or so back. Also that BMP/BTR/whatever the gently caress it is looks like the shrapnel went through it like a knife through butter, what an absolutely useless murderbox.
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quote:The Ryssijä24 news channel's live broadcast from the recruitment center did not go well. https://twitter.com/TimoVir20213018/status/1574473472759283748
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How's the mobilization going? Not great by most Russian sources. https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1574323754095841280 https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1574498669562413064 https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1574409641366552577 Though some young men says it's actually going great. https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1574372873405435904 This video is also going around with much focus on the advice of using tampons and pads as makeshift bandages. For what it's worth, I was taught the same thing in the Danish military back in 2005, though they didn't advice us to actually bring them. What I find important here is the admission that they basically don't have any gear for the mobilized people outside uniforms and weapons. https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1574476679539527680 Even the top propagandists criticize the mobilization https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1574491958101393411
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