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downout posted:C++ webdev sounds so gross. i would hope facebook c++ devs are focusing more on stuff like implementing HHVM and less on actually writing web services in c++, but frankly their whole stack sounds like cancer to me.
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Bruegels Fuckbooks posted:i would hope facebook c++ devs are focusing more on stuff like implementing HHVM and less on actually writing web services in c++, but frankly their whole stack sounds like cancer to me.
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downout posted:C++ webdev sounds so gross. That's why we have Rust and WebAssembly.
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Artemis J Brassnuts posted:Out of curiosity, what sort of jobs do c++ programmers go after if they’re chasing TC? Roblox
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Artemis J Brassnuts posted:Out of curiosity, what sort of jobs do c++ programmers go after if they’re chasing TC? Google has lots of C++
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What is the pecking order for looking at jobs these days, seems like there are three categories, at least from what I can tell 1) Responding to recruiters that have figured out your personal email address 2) Responding to linked in recruiters 3) uh, cold-calling applications Seems like #1) pretty much guaranteed to slot you into an interview funnel, unless you're particularly daft/your linkedin does not match what you've been doing the last 5 years #2) slightly wider net, 85% chance guaranteed to slot you into an interview funnel, see above #3) i've never tried this, sounds like it sucks, low return rate Option 1a) reach out to your network, get a referral; done this for a long time, my network is now far and wide due to covid
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Hadlock posted:What is the pecking order for looking at jobs these days, seems like there are three categories, at least from what I can tell For LinkedIn specifically: Hiring manager reaching out >> internal recruiters reaching out >> contracted recruiters reaching out >> agency without an agreement reaching out
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In my experience, 1a is the absolute top of that. I’ve had the pleasure of working with some very smart people, who have gotten in at very good companies, and a referral is an almost guaranteed in (as long as the person thinks you’re worth referring and doesn’t just say they’ll pass your resume along). You still have to be able to do well at the interview, of course - your network can get your foot in the door and may even get you the benefit of the doubt in an uncertain situation but you’ve got to do the rest yourself.
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leper khan posted:contracted recruiters reaching out >> agency without an agreement reaching out How do you differentiate between those two?
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Sign posted:How do you differentiate between those two? Whether they name their client in their initial message, as opposed to “a leading company in $industry”
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I was chatting with a meta/facebook recruiter and he mentioned in passing that a IC5 maps to an M0 role  Does that mean you can move to management track laterally if you meet XYZ criteria and the stars align, or they share the same pay grade (levels.fyi does not agree with this statement, i think?) or is there something else, or was he talking out of his rear end Maybe M0 is like a tech lead?
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if meta is like google, tech lead isn't a job title in the levels sense. for us, the line managers are generally L5 or L6. they can be full management track or they can be ICs that are doing the TLM (tech lead manager) thing importantly, "TLM" should really be "IC+manager", not "tech lead+manager" you can also be a tech lead that doesn't do any people management. my TL used to be that way, but he switched to being a TLM. he's not my manager - he and I share a manager
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One word of warning about working for Meta: IC really means "independent contributor". Nobody tells you what to do, it's up to you to choose the most impactful thing you can do at the company, and just go do it. Even your manager can't really force you to do any specific work, they can just hang carrots in front of you. It's very liberating for some types of engineers. The leash comes off, they can go heads down and create something amazing. However if you need structure, if you lack project management skills, if you lack the soft skills needed to rally others to your cause, then that kind of environment is not a good fit. For managers, it's hell. Because every day is a sales pitch to your team to get stuff done. Every manager needs to do that to some extent... but at Meta it's like that all the time.
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I wish I didn't hate that poor excuse for an android and everything he represents, because that sounds neat. A polar opposite from my current experience of endless micromanagement
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Hadlock posted:I was chatting with a meta/facebook recruiter and he mentioned in passing that a IC5 maps to an M0 role Technically IC5 = M0 in pay, but I have never heard of anyone coming in as an M0 for a tech role (SWE, PM, EE, etc). It's an exception rather than a rule that someone already at the company will be able to shift to management below IC6/M1, and M0 is reserved usually for weird situations in tech roles or for non-tech roles.
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For people looking for opportunities from US => EU, are there particular resources that are good for that? Visa implications means I'd want to secure a job to help with the paperwork, but this is a new world for me.
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You want to find a company that will sponsor an H1B visa. This is a lot harder than it was pre-2016, visas have been locked down pretty hard because reasons, and biden hasn't been in much of a mood to reverse things since he took over from trump If you can claim Australian citizenship you might qualify for a E3 visa. About half of my company in 2016 was there on an E3 visa because magic loopholes
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My reading was they wanted to move from the US to the EU, though.
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Oh The absolute, wildest loophole I've seen is called the DAFT visa, Dutch-American Friendship Treaty, which dates back to 1956 and predates the EU by a lot so it's grandfathered in Basically (hand waving begins) you can put $5000 usd (about $55,000 USD back in 1956, but the treaty doesn't adjust the amount based on inflation) in a dutch bank and they will grant you a visa where you can become a contractor, and then use that as a leaping-off point If you're single, there are an alarming number of people who meet someone on holiday, and then get civil-union-ed, and then can apply for a work visa If your spouse holds citizenship in Colombia, Argentina, Peru, Chile they can immigrate to spain because reasons, and then you can come in on a spouse visa What's your timeline and how many europeans do you have as family members? Things get a lot easier if you had a parent or grandparent who held european citizenship Buying land in portugal is still one of the easiest/best ways to get EU citizenship I would look at the geopolitical landscape in January/February and reevaluate your plans Mexico will grant you what's effectively a "rich gringo" visa with almost no restrictions, if you just want to get out of the country. It's I think $75 and you just need to book an appointment at a local consulate
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I moved with my family from the US to the EU (Sweden) in 2017 and the visa process was 100% handled by the company (who mostly contracted the work out to Deloitte). Dealing with the Swedish bureaucracy once we got here was a pain, but the company also employs people to help navigate that. My advice is to land a job at a big company that hires internationally on a regular basis so they’ll be equipped to handle it for you - since this is the “old programmer” thread they shouldn’t have any problem proving to the local government that you’re a specialized tech worker, there’s almost always a fast track in for people like us. Practically, I would heed the earlier advice about checking the political landscape; there’s a few pockets of growing anti-immigrant sentiment across Europe. Being from the US will probably get you a pass but if you’re of middle eastern descent (or even a dark-skinned latino) you may get stares from the locals. I’m a generic white dude and even I’ve heard the “those drat immigrants / oh, not YOU, you’re one of the good ones” line. Also, as long as you’re a US citizen you have to file your US taxes and making money in the EU complicates that. If your destination country doesn’t have a tax treaty with the US y our will be double-taxes. Be prepared to take a pay cut; I went from $80k TC to $35k TC (my offer was even lower). Probably an extreme case and I’ve clawed a big chunk of that back but my general advice is “don’t work in video games”.
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Artemis J Brassnuts posted:“don’t work in video games”. this could be the thread title
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Guinness posted:this could be the thread title 
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if you are young enough there are a bunch of EU countries with "youth mobility visas" that will allow you to move for a year or two without securing a job first. Most of them are available to people under 30, and some for people under 35.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:My reading was they wanted to move from the US to the EU, though. This is correct. I've been in Denmark for the past month and can really see myself prospering here in a way that I haven't felt in a long time. I have no real familial connections to a Danish background, but have been working in development for almost a decade. Also am super white (to the degree that people here assume I'm Danish at first lol) so that would make things easier.
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I’ve honestly considered emigrating to the EU, probably Spain since I speak (incredibly rusty) Español latinoamericano. Or Italy through my dad, except it went fash again so mmm nah. I dunno how many European countries would welcome a computer-touching trans woman but there’s gotta be at least one right? 
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Pollyanna posted:Or Italy through my dad, except it went fash again so mmm nah. Yeah, my dad's side is also Italian but lmao at going there now.
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If you're looking to eventually side-load into Europe and you're American, consider Ireland. On the Critical Skills Occupations List under Employment Category 213 (Information Technology and Telecommunications Professionals), there are web dev and software development categories. There is a test for a relevant degree qualification, though, so you're looking at a bachelors degree as a requirement unless the annual remuneration is over €64,000. For Critical Skills jobs, you work for two years (at least one year with the initial employer) and then you are allowed to work any job as long as you behave yourself. After 60 months of residency, you can apply for long-term residence (i.e. a green card). Dependents/partners/spouses are allowed to receive employment permits immediately once you get your Critical Skills visa, and they have no restrictions on what type of jobs they can work. Of course, if you have a grandparent that was born in Ireland, you can skip all that because you are entitled to an Irish passport. You could also just say "screw this" and buy citizenship and a passport for St. Lucia in the Caribbean for 100,000 USD (or 150K for yourself, your spouse, and two dependents).
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Flaming June posted:Yeah, my dad's side is also Italian but lmao at going there now. The entire subcontinent is going full fash but it's not like that's a gigantic difference with the USA so I wouldn't let that part bother you too much, especially if you're white. Who knows, you might be able to help a bit with local counter-effort instead.
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Osmosisch posted:The entire subcontinent is going full fash but it's not like that's a gigantic difference with the USA so I wouldn't let that part bother you too much, especially if you're white. Who knows, you might be able to help a bit with local counter-effort instead. Once again, being white in name and appearance prevails  ... 
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Pollyanna posted:I’ve honestly considered emigrating to the EU, probably Spain since I speak (incredibly rusty) Español latinoamericano. Or Italy through my dad, except it went fash again so mmm nah. Aside from Berlusconi, most Italian PM's last between 1 and 3 years, so it'll change again soon. Though hopefully not to Berlusconi, whose public service ban ended and has found his way back into the Italian Senate. Crooked fucker. He's part of the coalition that chose the fascist.
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Pollyanna posted:I’ve honestly considered emigrating to the EU, probably Spain since I speak (incredibly rusty) Español latinoamericano. Or Italy through my dad, except it went fash again so mmm nah. If you are a computer toucher and land a job before moving, basically any and all of them? I worked at an software company in Norway for a year where half of the employees were people the company had helped emigrate as part of the hiring process.
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minato posted:One word of warning about working for Meta: IC really means "independent contributor". Nobody tells you what to do, it's up to you to choose the most impactful thing you can do at the company, and just go do it. Even your manager can't really force you to do any specific work, they can just hang carrots in front of you. This doesn't match my experience. I'm currently an IC at meta and have had lots of support from my manager and am enjoying it a lot. Sample size 1 though of course. You do code alone 99% of the time which took me some adjusting to. If you love pair programming or meetings you'd have a hard time. I went from 3 meetings per day at my old job to 3 meetings per week. You make it sound like you and your manager have opposing goals when in reality your incentives are aligned and both manager and IC want the IC to have impact and get promoted. If your manager was trying to sell you on crappy projects that sounds like you had a bad manager. I'm improving a lot faster at programming because I'm not juggling programming, PM, and management tasks. Basically all the bullshit work is handled by someone or something else and you get to focus on the cool poo poo. Also loving the free food and programming books. Before this year I'd never read a programming book cover to cover and this year I've read 3 or 4. Part of this might be a bit of a big tech honey moon phase but so far so good. I do agree that it seems like a tough place to be a manager, I definitely want to stay on the IC track. awesomeolion fucked around with this message at 11:49 on Oct 1, 2022 |
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Curious what level you were at? At IC5 I had enough meetings that it was difficult to code for extended periods of time.
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every tech major is a patchwork suzerainty of a thousand fiefdoms from hundreds of acquisitions and tens of thousands of instances of managerial megalomania never generalize beyond sub-orgs of 100 peeps in tech-land imo
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e: wrong thread
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Flaming June posted:This is correct. I've been in Denmark for the past month and can really see myself prospering here in a way that I haven't felt in a long time. There are plenty of tech companies of various sizes in Copenhagen that will sponsor you for the “pay limit scheme” visa and it’s not too complicated. I think you need to apply from your home country though.
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tortilla_chip posted:Curious what level you were at? At IC5 I had enough meetings that it was difficult to code for extended periods of time. ic4
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bob dobbs is dead posted:every tech major is a patchwork suzerainty of a thousand fiefdoms from hundreds of acquisitions and tens of thousands of instances of managerial megalomania
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