shame on an IGA posted:

bahahahaha would that even meaningfully change the CG

Jarmak posted:

The Baltic in that region is like 50m deep, that's within recreational diving depth.

Comrade Blyatlov posted:

Yeah it would particularly at a high angle of roll, but.... then you have just lost your superstructure and everything with it, killing God knows how many, many of whom are your nav crew and taking the wheelhouse with it. Whoops.

Xakura posted:

http://www.hisutton.com/Belgorod-Class-Submarine.html

http://www.hisutton.com/Spy%20Sub%20-%20Project%2010831%20Losharik.html

http://www.hisutton.com/Project%201910%20UNIFORM%20Class.html

Wasabi the J posted:

https://twitter.com/CovertShores/status/1574750288879181824?s=20&t=IndRacks8a9pWtnzNivuKA



Check that loitering pattern!

Grip it and rip it posted:

That's exactly my point with respect to whether the US government had ever named the names of the individuals Snowden's leaks are supposed to have killed

GD_American posted:

I’m assuming that blowing up undersea pipelines in a covert fashion requires a pretty non-trivial amount of resources only available to state actors.

Curious- I’m assuming they torpedoed it, but do Russian subs even have the same kind of special ops insertion capabilities we do?

Wasabi the J posted:

https://twitter.com/CovertShores/status/1574750288879181824?s=20&t=IndRacks8a9pWtnzNivuKA



Check that loitering pattern!

shame on an IGA posted:

bahahahaha would that even meaningfully change the CG

My Spirit Otter posted:

One of the ends to the pipeline is in russia, they couldve just used a pig launcher and shot a quantity of explosives down the pipeline and remote detonated it.

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

Only if they attached enough rockets to the superstructure to blast it clear of the ship. Otherwise it'd just turn it into a loose pile of topweight cluttering the deck. Plus you've just blown up your command and navigation team, which might be a benefit but there's better ways to do that.

PookBear posted:

it would be incredibly obvious if the pipe burst from the inside

Xakura posted:

There's pressure monitoring at the end, right? If you shot anything down into the pipe, those would certainly see it, no?

My Spirit Otter posted:

I dont think it would, because i assume you wouldnt want too much pressure when firing a pig, so that it doesnt rocket out of a 90° bend

Comrade Blyatlov posted:

Yeah it would particularly at a high angle of roll, but.... then you have just lost your superstructure and everything with it, killing God knows how many, many of whom are your nav crew and taking the wheelhouse with it. Whoops.

Marshal Prolapse posted:

I’d like to report a murder.

https://twitter.com/markhertling/status/1574834395499958282?s=46&t=jCX88yQFOma__A1m2107Mw

Herstory Begins Now posted:

you assumed wrong, apparently lol

Stultus Maximus posted:

Seven months in and these turds still think the Russian army is the ideal.

lightpole posted:

I'm gonna need to see the changes to the GM here to believe it. Any consequential mass is going to be at the flight deck or below I would assume.

Madurai posted:

One of the persistent tribal lore stories on the CGN I served on was that there were explosive bolts that held on the upper parts of the superstructure, controlled by some means of mercury switches or gyros or something, that would cut the topworks of the ship off if the roll angle exceeded some predetermined amount, to keep the ship from capsizing. It was dramatic as hell and obviously bullshit, because any system like that would have accidentally fired at some point in the years of service, maintenance processes being what they are.

Xakura posted:

Comedy option: they served on a Kirov

Xakura posted:

I'm going to assume they served on a Virginia class (not the sub)

Comedy option: they served on a Kirov

GD_American posted:

Seems like wish fulfillment on the part of a swabbie. Jettison non-essential ship parts and personnel to save the real heroes (us)

My Spirit Otter posted:

Beyond what pigs are for, i dont really know enough about them to say whether or not launching one would cause pressure alarms to go off.

I dont think it would, because i assume you wouldnt want too much pressure when firing a pig, so that it doesnt rocket out of a 90° bend

Saukkis posted:

My understanding is that's not how the pigs work. They are pushed forward by the gas normally flowing in the pipes. Since the pipes weren't operational and there was no gas flow the pig wouldn't have gone anywhere.

That Works posted:

If that's the case then why is visible gas bubbling up from underwater?

That Works posted:

If that's the case then why is visible gas bubbling up from underwater?

GD_American posted:

I looked at the Telegram and quickly regretted it.

That Works posted:

If that's the case then why is visible gas bubbling up from underwater?

quote:

Nord Stream 2's operator said pressure in the pipeline, which had contained some gas sealed inside despite never becoming operational, dropped from 105 to 7 bars overnight.

M_Gargantua posted:

Xakura posted:

I assume you know, but I'll use any opportunity to post images of pretty boats

My Spirit Otter posted:

But its a lovely argument, you cant disprove the statement that snowdens leaks got spies killed because the government wont name their spies.

Snowden released a lot of documents about spy programs and was responsible for shuttering the spy program in Afghanistan. You think the taliban are going to say "well, they shut the program down, better not look any further into it!"?? If you do, youre dumber than your argument.

One of the ends to the pipeline is in russia, they couldve just used a pig launcher and shot a quantity of explosives down the pipeline and remote detonated it.

pantslesswithwolves posted:

Oh surprise, all of the territories that held referendums have voted to join Russia. Wrap it up, Ukraineailures.

Icon Of Sin posted:

50m is a little beyond rec limits (recreational diving typically stops at 40m/130ft, per PADI/NAUI/SDI). The no-decompression limits at that depth get so short (according to those agencies) that it’s assumed to be a decompression dive if you’re beyond that. You’re probably looking at rebreathers and decompression procedures, if you want any amount of bottom time down there. The alternative is taking like 4 tanks down with you, one as a travel-gas, 2 for working at depth, and the last one as a bailout if something goes wrong on the others. Would make it harder to carry any other things (like explosives). Open-circuit deep dives are extremely gear-intensive, rebreathers make things more streamlined.

Your larger point still stands, though: I know divers in the recreational world that have the gear to make a dive to that depth and return safely. A diver propulsion vehicle would extend their deployment/escape range as well, these are also available for civilians to pick up (I know a diving quarry that rents out big ones).

Herstory Begins Now posted:

okay, fair

lowkey the far right needs to have a moment of reckoning about a so-called 'woke' army being the strongest military on the planet by a significant margin because it sure seems like limiting your manpower and knowledge pool down to the like 20% of your country that is straight, male and sufficiently right wing is not the winning move unless you want to be permanently at a huge disadvantage

Saukkis posted:

My understanding is that's not how the pigs work. They are pushed forward by the gas normally flowing in the pipes. Since the pipes weren't operational and there was no gas flow the pig wouldn't have gone anywhere.