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Shibawanko posted:making the hobbit a trilogy was the right call but one entire movie should've been about the dwarves walking through mirkwood silently with very little action Andrei Tarkovsky's The Hobbit would be an interesting watch.
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Bringing it back several pages to the discussion of sexy Shelob, I remembered my main objection to that depiction wasn't that she could take a seductive form, but that they depict her as having typical villain motivations, when the books said:quote:Little she knew of or cared for towers, or rings, or anything devised by mind or hand, who only desired death for all others, mind and body
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Sep 27, 2022 14:13
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Shibawanko posted:making the hobbit a trilogy was the right call but one entire movie should've been about the dwarves walking through mirkwood silently with very little action Shot in Black and White, runtime 474min, directed by Béla Tarr.
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Vavrek posted:Andrei Tarkovsky's The Hobbit would be an interesting watch. Hobbits smoking cigarettes instead of pipes might be a bit jarring.
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Vavrek posted:Andrei Tarkovsky's The Hobbit would be an interesting watch. What about Andrei Tarkovsky's The Last Ringbearer?
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Shibawanko posted:making the hobbit a trilogy was the right call but one entire movie should've been about the dwarves walking through mirkwood silently with very little action And lots of trippy FX.
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Sep 27, 2022 20:23
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Have the entire journey be trippy visuals then when it's time to actually show the dragon do it the same way as Excalibur.
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Sep 27, 2022 21:02
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WoodrowSkillson posted:It's different and much better. I assume they gave her some of the good stuff they still have in storage, or did a rush job since they said they had 10 days. Goon armor-blindness.
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https://twitter.com/b3ckybr0wn/status/1574777102779486209
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Sep 28, 2022 04:32
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Bilbo looks like a suppository.
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Sep 28, 2022 05:38
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Everyone posted:What about Andrei Tarkovsky's The Last Ringbearer? I've never actually read it, and always been vaguely disposed against it after reading remarks by the author with the tone of "Well, The Lord of the Rings, which is not actually that good, ..." How is it? Should I give it a read? Anyway, I was mostly just thinking of the Mirkwood sequence done like Stalker but with less lighting.
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i read the last ringbearer but couldn't finish, it's too much of a one trick horse
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Vavrek posted:I've never actually read it, and always been vaguely disposed against it after reading remarks by the author with the tone of "Well, The Lord of the Rings, which is not actually that good, ..." It's a pretty radical departure from LotR not just in point of view but in setting, closer to low fantasy: Orcs and Trolls are just slurs for humans who live in Mordor, Sauron basically never existed, Elves are some sort of parallel dimension invaders, etc. The bulk of it is a swashbuckling spy adventure: following the defeat of Mordor, the protagonists are looking for the Mirror of Galadriel which is apparently some sort of McGuffin that connects Middle-Earth to the world of Elves. I don't think it's very good from what little I remember, but more importantly it just changes the setting too much to be an effective critic of the story in my opinion, which is a shame since I think there's potential there. Though I do find the "Orcs are just humans" bit mildly interesting in light of the current Ukraine supporters psychosis over calling Russians orcs. e: in the QTs: https://twitter.com/joshuajfriedman/status/1574960266122760193 YaketySass fucked around with this message at 08:05 on Sep 28, 2022 |
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Sep 28, 2022 08:01
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What's wrong with the Ballantine cover? That's clearly Gwaihir, King of the Emus
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Sep 28, 2022 08:22
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the iluvatar - valar - maiar pantheon actually resembles vodou more closely than it does catholicism
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A hell of a lot of vodoun is just folk Catholicism, to be fair. Yay syncretism!
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I do think a Hobbit trilogy could have been a great idea if it had been approached that way from the start, had enough time to write proper scripts, and didn't have any studio mandates for what had to be or couldn't be in the story. That being said, the number one thing would have been to really flesh out the dwarves and their personalities backstories and relationships, and pretty much all the dwarves PJ came up with were lame and obnoxious.
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feedmyleg posted:I do think a Hobbit trilogy could have been a great idea if it had been approached that way from the start, had enough time to write proper scripts, and didn't have any studio mandates for what had to be or couldn't be in the story. To be fair most of the Tolkien Dwarves were also kind of lame and obnoxious.
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Sep 28, 2022 14:39
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And let's not forget their well-defined personalities such as "the fat one who's fat" and "these two are brothers".
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Imagined posted:And let's not forget their well-defined personalities such as "the fat one who's fat" and "these two are brothers". The brothers are also young and less dour than the others. They actually have the most personality besides Thorin and Balin, maybe. Which isn't saying much.
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i think the fundamental issue is to square the hobbit with the other stories, you need to redo it from the ground up, and Tolkien himself knew that. The thing is, its a good little story because it is fantastical and whimsical, not because some dwarves retaking erebor is automatically a good story. It certainly could be, but it would also not be The Hobbit as we know it. You could pull the camera back and actually show Gandalf's calculations that demand a secret mission to Erebor, a more well thought out plan to actually kill Smaug, the machinations that lead up to the battle of 5 armies and the death of the dragon, and how Sauron is influencing events.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:i think the fundamental issue is to square the hobbit with the other stories, you need to redo it from the ground up, and Tolkien himself knew that. The thing is, its a good little story because it is fantastical and whimsical, not because some dwarves retaking erebor is automatically a good story. It certainly could be, but it would also not be The Hobbit as we know it. Imo nothing should be pulled back at all. What makes the Hobbit work so well is how we're just with Bilbo the whole time and getting his reaction to all the crazy things he's seeing. I think that makes the crazy poo poo he sees have more impact rather than oh hey let's cut to Sauron doing this crazy thing or Gandalf on his own journey doing that crazy thing. All of that just diminishes Bilbo's experiences and imo the audience should be getting the same fish out of water feeling that Bilbo is.
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Yeah one of the big mistakes the hobbit movies made was leaving Bilbo's perspective far too often.
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It's amusing thinking of JRRT making the decision at the Bo5A point in the narrative to just knock Bilbo out for the day and do a bunch of crow's-eye narratives of the battle movements
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hobbit should just have been a single film and it should have been made for children, not adults
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ChubbyChecker posted:hobbit should just have been a single film and it should have been made for children, not adults it was, though  78 minutes and it tells the story pretty goddamn well. I re-watched it recently and was surprised how well it does.
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I'm not the first person to point it out but they problably felt constrained by the need for more of the same and tried to make the movies about Thorin, as an Aragorn-style epic action lead. That Bilbo or the quirkier nature of the narrative got sidelined wasn't an accident, but something that naturally flows from "okay, how do we reproduce LotR's success again?"Imagined posted:And let's not forget their well-defined personalities such as "the fat one who's fat" and "these two are brothers". But enough about the four Hobbits.
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Pham Nuwen posted:it was, though This was my first exposure to Tolkien when my behind-on-grading English teacher put this on in class so I have a lot of affection for it and would definitely rather watch it than the Jackson version.
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Pham Nuwen posted:it was, though Ho-ho, my lad!
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Phy posted:Ho-ho, my lad! 
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Respect for the R-B Hobbit for Brother Theodore's incomparable Gollum, even Serkis still doesn't feel "right" to me Also for the treetop scene with the butterflies. Two frames of animation in a loop has seldom given a better atmospheric breather scene in the middle of a bunch of dark oppressive action
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"Where there's a Whip there's a Way" slaps. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdXQJS3Yv0Y Watch Samwise start a race war.
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The whole soundtrack is great. "Frodo of the Nine Fingers" runs through my head way more often than it should. Looking at the wiki link, I only just today realized Roddy McDowall voiced Sam.
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Well the hobbits do look weirdly apelike, so Cornelius is a good choice.
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My brother and I always used to sing it as "Frodo of the Forty-Nine Fingers" in that Glenn Yarbrough voice
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What they could have done for the Hobbit trilogy would have been to make the movies parallel, rather than sequential, and then bring them together for the resolution - perhaps one Bilbo movie, one Thorin movie, and one Gandalf movie.
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Data Graham posted:My brother and I always used to sing it as "Frodo of the Forty-Nine Fingers" Did you grab the skin over your adam's apple and wiggle it to do his incomparable vibrato too
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Oracle posted:Did you grab the skin over your adam's apple and wiggle it to do his incomparable vibrato too Of course, how else would you do it
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YaketySass posted:Elves are some sort of parallel dimension invaders, etc. That's basically what they are in Tolkien's books too.
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