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The grumpy old men have spoken up. https://twitter.com/SumoFollower/status/1574719693424054273?t=-FQCd_xTc3yjOV3uC6XKfA&s=19 https://twitter.com/SumoFollower/status/1574719696259420160 https://twitter.com/SumoFollower/status/1574719698725371905 https://twitter.com/SumoFollower/status/1574719701124628481 https://twitter.com/SumoFollower/status/1574719703485923336 Ozeki rank reforms sound the most interesting to me here. Instead of a bigger rank drop like what the YDC suggested, maybe something along the lines of making kadoban something that can only be given once a year?
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Sep 27, 2022 20:20
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The YDC is so loving funny. There's no need to "reform" the ozeki rank system. A weak ozeki corps can only last as long as the guys in the junior san'yaku and the joi aren't up to the task of unseating them. We've had basically the same group of guys just below ozeki over over a year now (Wakatakakage, Daieisho, Hoshoryu, Kiribayama, Tobizaru, Takayasu, etc.), and they collectively haven't been able to soak up enough wins to take down even Shodai. I suspect that level of equilibrium is about to be disrupted.
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Sep 27, 2022 20:33
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anakha posted:Ozeki rank reforms sound the most interesting to me here. Instead of a bigger rank drop like what the YDC suggested, maybe something along the lines of making kadoban something that can only be given once a year? I mean, the issue with the Ozeki this time wasn't that they went kadoban at all. It was that they sucked. Kenning posted:The YDC is so loving funny. There's no need to "reform" the ozeki rank system. A weak ozeki corps can only last as long as the guys in the junior san'yaku and the joi aren't up to the task of unseating them. We've had basically the same group of guys just below ozeki over over a year now (Wakatakakage, Daieisho, Hoshoryu, Kiribayama, Tobizaru, Takayasu, etc.), and they collectively haven't been able to soak up enough wins to take down even Shodai. I suspect that level of equilibrium is about to be disrupted. Also this.
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rare Magic card l00k posted:I mean, the issue with the Ozeki this time wasn't that they went kadoban at all. It was that they sucked. Yeah, but I wasn't thinking about it in terms of just this basho alone - more on how they looked throughout the year. Alternating KKs and MKs doesn't seem aligned with the standard most people hold ozeki to.
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Sep 27, 2022 20:42
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I wouldn't be happy if I was told that I do circus sumo by angry old men
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Sep 27, 2022 20:54
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To be fair, 'circus sumo' is such a perfect description for how Tobizaru was for a while. He was constantly flapping about and too easily vaulted off the ring even compared to his similarly sized competitors. Much better now though but for a while I thought he was a bit of a comic.
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Sep 27, 2022 21:11
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anakha posted:Yeah, but I wasn't thinking about it in terms of just this basho alone - more on how they looked throughout the year. Alternating KKs and MKs doesn't seem aligned with the standard most people hold ozeki to. This is where I admit my dumb brain mixed up kadoban and kyujo. This is why I'm rightfully near the bottom of fantasy juryo.
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Sep 27, 2022 21:18
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Takakeisho seemed fine this tournament so I assume they’re just really, really mad about the funny henka.
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Sep 27, 2022 21:32
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I think they're just mad that he's stalled out at ozeki instead of becoming a proper Japanese yokozuna for them.
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Sep 27, 2022 21:41
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TO BI ZA RU *clap clap clapclapclap*
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Sep 27, 2022 21:41
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Khizan posted:I think they're just mad that he's stalled out at ozeki instead of becoming a proper Japanese yokozuna for them. With how long it took Kisenosato, he's got plenty of time.
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Sep 27, 2022 22:19
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Hey Tobizaru nice sumo for a clown to perform at the circus baka
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Sep 27, 2022 22:36
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Shiroc posted:Takakeisho seemed fine this tournament so I assume they’re just really, really mad about the funny henka. My biggest disappointment of the basho was that only Waka revenge henka'd him. Really, everyone should have done it, just for the entertainment value.
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Sep 27, 2022 22:56
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Also, keep in mind that the average age of the YDC is like 80 or something like that.
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Vargatron posted:Also, keep in mind that the average age of the YDC is like 80 or something like that. Fun hadn't been invented yet when they were young and they never bothered to learn it once it came around.
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Sep 27, 2022 23:05
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Jobbo_Fett posted:TO BI ZA RU
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anakha posted:The grumpy old men have spoken up. The YDC also has grumpy old women! https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/14669901 Not to be confused with the JSA which is all the old farts who get to say "back in my day...", the YDC is just a bunch of political/PR appointments who have essentially 0 power outside of recommendedinf Yokozuna promotions which are so bound in tradition it's hardly ever a debate anyways. Anything outside the promotion of Yokozuna, their opinion is just a bunch of old, dumbass fans (albeit well connected dumbass fans) shooting the poo poo and coming up with stupid half baked sports fan ideas like all of us have.
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Sep 28, 2022 01:40
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Article posted:“I am all for wrestlers with round bodies and charming smiles,” said Konno, known for her roles in “Shimaizaka” (1985), “Haha no iru basho” (2004) and other films. Always nice to hear from another lady Takayasu fan
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Sep 28, 2022 04:08
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Khizan posted:IArguably, it’s not great for sumo for somebody who’s almost 38 to take a yusho, but iron man Tamawashi deserves it imo. Apraxin posted:Funnily enough, the last time a 37 year-old guy won the yusho, the upper-rank lineup was arguably the strongest of the modern era: also, it's not like tamawashi comes off as a broken down old man in the slightest. obv everyone knows about his durability but skill wise the dude seems exactly the same as when i started following sumo in 2018 while there's guys younger than him like endo who don't seem to be at the level i first remember them at despite no major injuries that i recall. some guys are just both very lucky and gifted with the right bodies to take years of this poo poo just like in any other sport
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Sep 28, 2022 05:15
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anakha posted:The grumpy old men have spoken up. lmao I hope they die mad
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Sep 28, 2022 06:40
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And now I want a Tobizaru yusho while he does "Circus Sumo."
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Sep 28, 2022 06:50
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I fuckin love shodai, stay mad old men
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Sep 28, 2022 09:20
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For entertainment I read the comments on Jason complaining about Taka's henna and they are such herbs complaining about the dignity and blah. More henkas.
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Sep 28, 2022 10:14
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Oh yeah, Youtube sumo fans are tremendous dorks about hinkaku and the nobility of sumo. Jason himself seems like a relative moderate – he doesn't like henkas cause he like big a big tachiai and a bout where the wrestlers have to contend with each other. He doesn't get all hung up on the dignity angle in the way his commentors do.
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Sep 28, 2022 10:28
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If I wanted to see "anything goes and nothing matters" I would watch Extreme Championship Wrestling Heat Wave 1998 ppv
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Thauros posted:also, it's not like tamawashi comes off as a broken down old man in the slightest. obv everyone knows about his durability but skill wise the dude seems exactly the same as when i started following sumo in 2018 while there's guys younger than him like endo who don't seem to be at the level i first remember them at despite no major injuries that i recall. some guys are just both very lucky and gifted with the right bodies to take years of this poo poo just like in any other sport Yeah, for sure. Tamawashi might be 37, but he’s not doing broken old man sumo like Terunofuji and Tochinoshin are, or like Hakuho was. Granted, Hak’s broken old man sumo was still better than anybody else’s healthy sumo, but that’s why he’s the GOAT. Tamawashi still looks as good as he ever did. Also, the Takakeisho henna was great. 
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The taka henka is the only one where I kind of get and even slightly agree with the complaints, if only because I wanted to see Hokutofuji have his chance to fight for the yusho. That, of course, made Waka's revenge henka all the more amazing.
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Sep 28, 2022 12:49
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Khizan posted:Tamawashi still looks as good as he ever did.
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Flinger posted:If I wanted to see "anything goes and nothing matters" I would watch Extreme Championship Wrestling Heat Wave 1998 ppv In it Terry Funk gets struck by a barbed wire bat due to the machinations of Paul E. Dangerously.
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Sep 28, 2022 13:53
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what do you think would happen if shodai won two yusho in a row from kadoban
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John McClane posted:what do you think would happen if shodai won two yusho in a row from kadoban Why worry about that when it means Shodai would have to try two basho in a row?
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regarding takakeisho's henka: of course i hate to see hokutofuji get beat like that, but the ice cold reaction from the spectators was funny. what i love to see: when a wrestler attempts a henka, but it doesn't work, and then they get punished.
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The best henkas are when they're telegraphed and still work. I loved that during Ichinojo's debut in makuuchi, he beat both Kisenosato and Kakuryu by doing a matta at the start to give the impression he was full of nervous energy and wanted to charge in, then at the actual tachi-ai, both opponents were expecting a clash and got bamboozled by the henka. Watching both matches, I was saying "I would henka here" after the matta, and was delighted when he did go for it.
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Kenning posted:Oh yeah, Youtube sumo fans are tremendous dorks about hinkaku and the nobility of sumo. Jason himself seems like a relative moderate – he doesn't like henkas cause he like big a big tachiai and a bout where the wrestlers have to contend with each other. He doesn't get all hung up on the dignity angle in the way his commentors do. That's where I stand. Big guys crashing into each other is fun to watch. But a well executed henka is also a wonderful sight. So henkas are best when they are discouraged and rare because guys can mostly feel safe committing to a hard tachiai and it's a cool treat when it happens. Too many henka and guys will get defensive at the start and/or it will get boring if a bunch of matches end with no actual fighting and the novelty is lost. Shiroc posted:Always nice to hear from another lady Takayasu fan Does Takyasu have a charming smile? I love the guy and was rooting for him, but everytime I see him, he gives off Eeyore resting sad face vibes but I guess that might just be his serious business fighting face. pseudodragon fucked around with this message at 16:06 on Sep 28, 2022 |
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honestly while i don't like their proposed adjustments to the ozeki rank this was p reasonable for the grumpy old men (and woman). they're absolutely right that terunofuji needs and deserves time to heal up a bit for the good of both himself and the sport, the current crop of ozeki are woeful, tamawashi and takayasu deserve plaudits for excellent sumo, tobizaru has elevated his game to a new level, and that wakatakakage is a potential yokuzuna if he can make a similar leap. i'll take that and one dumb half baked solution to the ozeki mess over the dumb poo poo they said when hakuho retired.
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anakha posted:The best henkas are when they're telegraphed and still work. He's probably on the YDC now.
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pseudodragon posted:Too many henka and guys will get defensive at the start and/or it will get boring if a bunch of matches end with no actual fighting and the novelty is lost. Sure but if they're defensively standing up expecting a henka the counter to that is a hard tachiai, so the problem will (and does) resolves itself.
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I know I’m never gonna be able to find it in a sea of videos but there was one match where Enho faked a henka to the right as a matta and then just did it to the left on the actual tachiai. It was his best trick and it’s all been downhill since
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Brut posted:Sure but if they're defensively standing up expecting a henka the counter to that is a hard tachiai, so the problem will (and does) resolves itself. Now I'm imagining some poor fool expecting another Takakeisho henka and instead getting caught flat footed and getting launched 5 rows back by a full power hamster ball charge.
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