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Would have been real nice if God explained germs back when he was giving the whole spiel about "unclean" things.
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Catgirl Al Capone posted:i think ghosts exist in the sense that people see phantom images of people or animals they were used to seeing or that they were primed enough to see Shibawanko posted:yeah but thats not really a ghost Yeah, pretty much. It’s like saying “I believe in Bigfoot in that I believe that it’s a hoax that people want to believe”
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To be fair, if he started going on about microscopic things like germs they'd probably think he was crazier than they already did. He was saving that for the advanced course.
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Compromise: Bigfoot was real, but went extinct in the 1800's due to habitat loss like every other large mammal in North America.
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Nameless Pete posted:Compromise: Bigfoot was real, but went extinct in the 1800's due to habitat loss like every other large mammal in North America. If we can find ruins of ancient mega cities we can find a single bigfoot skeleton. But we haven’t
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Oct 2, 2022 01:19
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maybe there's a different mystery ape that feeds on their skeletons
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Nameless Pete posted:Compromise: Bigfoot was real, but went extinct in the 1800's due to habitat loss like every other large mammal in North America. This is covered in Red Dead Redemption: Undead Nightmare
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christmas boots posted:This is covered in Red Dead Redemption: Undead Nightmare Dude don't remind me. That poo poo was straight sad
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Oct 2, 2022 01:24
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Oh please, they eat babies!
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yeah I eat rear end posted:maybe there's a different mystery ape that feeds on their skeletons And then they went extinct from starvation in the 1900's after eating all the Bigfoot skeletons.
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Nameless Pete posted:And then they went extinct from starvation in the 1900's after eating all the Bigfoot skeletons. Couldn’t they just eat other skeletons
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A mainlander friend of mine explained it thusly: they are an atheist because they don't believe in things that are fake, like gods. But since ghosts are obviously and proveably real, believing in ghosts is just believing in reality.
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2nd Amendment posted:A mainlander friend of mine explained it thusly: they are an atheist because they don't believe in things that are fake, like gods. But since ghosts are obviously and proveably real, believing in ghosts is just believing in reality. But there’s never been any proof that ghosts are real! You might as well say that there’s proof that gods are real
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What if ghosts are just baby gods?
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thetoughestbean posted:But there’s never been any proof that ghosts are real! You might as well say that there’s proof that gods are real Maybe you just hate women and Chinese people? It's manifestly obvious to them. Where is your proof that green is real?
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Oct 2, 2022 03:40
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2nd Amendment posted:Maybe you just hate women and Chinese people? It's manifestly obvious to them. We can measure the wavelength of light that the vast majority of people experience as green. There is no material evidence for ghosts
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Oct 2, 2022 04:01
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thetoughestbean posted:We can measure the wavelength of light that the vast majority of people experience as green. There is no material evidence for ghosts Is 495–570nm of light "green"? Can you prove that?
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2nd Amendment posted:Is 495–570nm of light "green"? Can you prove that? "Green" is merely a social construct that we collectively agree upon as a society to reflect that particular band of the visible spectrum.
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Oct 2, 2022 04:35
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christmas boots posted:"Green" is merely a social construct that we collectively agree upon as a society to reflect that particular band of the visible spectrum. If we are going that route ghosts are definitely real since we can define infrasound around 18Hz as "ghosts". Or we could define it any other way really. Way more popular consensus for the supernatural than a purely material word, especially if we let the dead vote (which we do with things like "green").
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Like all you've done with this bit of sophistry is demonstrate that "ghosts" are as real as "green" which puts you pretty far out into crazytown.
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2nd Amendment posted:Like all you've done with this bit of sophistry is demonstrate that "ghosts" are as real as "green" which puts you pretty far out into crazytown. Yes. It's the other posters who are arguing ghosts are less real than light which are the crazy ones.
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Oct 2, 2022 05:21
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2nd Amendment posted:Like all you've done with this bit of sophistry is demonstrate that "ghosts" are as real as "green" which puts you pretty far out into crazytown. You haven’t laid out a clever rhetorical trap, you’ve retreated into “well how can you prove anything really exists, man” which might impress stoners and teens but doesn’t really impress me. There must be a basis of shared reality, otherwise there is no conversation
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I mean there should be a basis of shared reality, but unfortunately the symbols used for showing it are still subject to interpretation by each person. We are all very connected and also very alone, mores the pity.
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Oct 2, 2022 07:04
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it's easy to see what is real and what isn't. your green is my green
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Shibawanko posted:it's easy to see what is real and what isn't. your green is my green Prove it. The green I see is also the green you could see, but it has different connotations to it. Same with every symbol.
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Oct 2, 2022 07:47
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no thats just stupid mumbo jumbo designed so people can pretend to live in their own narcissistic realities
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Shibawanko posted:no thats just stupid mumbo jumbo designed so people can pretend to live in their own narcissistic realities What? Saying "things can mean different things to different people" is no more narcissistic than say that Breast is a place in France as well as anatomy.
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Josef bugman posted:What? Saying "things can mean different things to different people" is no more narcissistic than say that Breast is a place in France as well as anatomy. Saying that isn't narcissistic, but it's entirely wrong and not backed up by reality? You have wisely picked an example for "lol the same word can mean different things" that doesn't even work, because the city in France isn't named breast.
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Too many people give moral weight to the concept of cringe. At best it comes from a fear of vulnerability, and at worst it's reactionary. There's nothing wrong with being lame as hell.
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Ragnar34 posted:Too many people give moral weight to the concept of cringe. At best it comes from a fear of vulnerability, and at worst it's reactionary. There's nothing wrong with being lame as hell. Wholeheartedly agree
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Phosphine posted:Saying that isn't narcissistic, but it's entirely wrong and not backed up by reality? You have wisely picked an example for "lol the same word can mean different things" that doesn't even work, because the city in France isn't named breast. Sorry "Brest". It's meant as a funny way to show that a thing pronounced the same way can still be different and can have different meanings. Things that are the same thing can be different to different people. The most famous instance of this is the Cross. It's a torture device, a religious symbol, an emblem of oppression and a thousand other things. You can say that it means the same thing wherever, but that isn't true. The symbolism of what it is and means is context dependent. It's still stupid to go "no Y truly means X and we shall have no more discussion on it" because even the lack of a discussion on certain things makes things change their meaning. Ragnar34 posted:Too many people give moral weight to the concept of cringe. At best it comes from a fear of vulnerability, and at worst it's reactionary. There's nothing wrong with being lame as hell. Agreed. As long as it isn't hurting folks.
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ITT goons debate the existence of homophones.
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Shibawanko posted:it's easy to see what is real and what isn't. your green is my green What if you can't see green?
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we had this exact argument at an undergrad Physics party when a poetry major used that line on a genius girl
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thetoughestbean posted:You haven’t laid out a clever rhetorical trap, you’ve retreated into “well how can you prove anything really exists, man” which might impress stoners and teens but doesn’t really impress me. There must be a basis of shared reality, otherwise there is no conversation If you really think that is true, you should be asking "how" or "why" ghosts since they are more a part of our shared reality than the color green. Ghosts transcend culture and time. The concept of ghosts absolutely predates the concept of green, at least linguistically (and limit of my language is the limit of my world). Plus an American and a Japaner might argue whether a particular shade is "green" or "blue" but not what a ghost is. To say nothing of people who can't see green at all.
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2nd Amendment posted:If you really think that is true, you should be asking "how" or "why" ghosts since they are more a part of our shared reality than the color green. Ghosts transcend culture and time. The concept of ghosts absolutely predates the concept of green, at least linguistically (and limit of my language is the limit of my world). Plus an American and a Japaner might argue whether a particular shade is "green" or "blue" but not what a ghost is. To say nothing of people who can't see green at all. Atticus_1354 posted:Yes. It's the other posters who are arguing ghosts are less real than light which are the crazy ones.
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Now yes, every culture in human history has believed in ghosts. But I read this really great Dick Dawkins quote on Reddit that explains how everyone is wrong except for me.
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i call bullshit on ghosts being real. theyre not
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2nd Amendment posted:If we are going that route ghosts are definitely real since we can define infrasound around 18Hz as "ghosts". You took an extra step there. 18 Hz might be infrasound but who ever said infrasound = ghosts? Green is that specific wavelength range. Green doesn't mean anything except that.
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yeah I eat rear end posted:You took an extra step there. 18 Hz might be infrasound but who ever said infrasound = ghosts? Green is that specific wavelength range. Green doesn't mean anything except that. It could also mean "new".
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