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Don't worry, the cheating microscope is off of chess and on to stuffing weights into fish https://twitter.com/Billyhottakes/status/1576246821139070976?s=20&t=qVDmXvkW1AgmocGKRjfXOA
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I just had a Brilliant move. Nf6.  I totally knew it at the time, too. No, I didn't. What the hell.
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Oct 2, 2022 23:28
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it consdiers it brilliant because it's a good piece sacrifice: you're hanging your other knight, but it's still the best move (apparently)
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Oct 2, 2022 23:30
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chess.com also hands out brilliant moves more often the lower your rating
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T.C. posted:Don't worry, the cheating microscope is off of chess and on to stuffing weights into fish 
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Oct 2, 2022 23:33
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cheetah7071 posted:chess.com also hands out brilliant moves more often the lower your rating Chess.com says I’m smart and lichess is inventing new words for my stupidity.
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Oct 2, 2022 23:45
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another sinister tactic that chess.com uses to keep you on their hook 
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Oct 2, 2022 23:48
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I got a brilliant move the other day by taking a piece that the other guy very obviously hung after I did something kinda dumb. Taking the piece got me out of the dumb thing I did, so taking it put me at like +3 and doing anything else put me at like -6. The analysis gave me a pat on the back for finding the only good move in the position and I guess the swing in points being like, nine and their stupidity only really being responsible for hanging three points of material made it brilliant? Basically, I am so stupid that I get credit for being brilliant by taking an obviously unprotected piece.
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Oct 2, 2022 23:51
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cheetah7071 posted:chess.com also hands out brilliant moves more often the lower your rating In that case I'm surprised it doesn't consider every move I make to be brilliant.
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Oct 3, 2022 01:52
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Was that a brilliant move, or a great move? A great move is the only good move in the position, so if your opponent hangs a piece, taking it is often a great move. A brilliant move is a move the engine (at whatever depth) did not consider to be the best move, but after it's made, it reevaluates it as the best move. The brilliant moves I've gotten are often piece sacrifices.
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Oct 3, 2022 02:29
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 Am I the only one expecting these "we will have full release soon" messages going to be super anticlimatic?
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Xtanstic posted:
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mortal posted:Was that a brilliant move, or a great move? A great move is the only good move in the position, so if your opponent hangs a piece, taking it is often a great move. A brilliant move is a move the engine (at whatever depth) did not consider to be the best move, but after it's made, it reevaluates it as the best move. Potentially my dumbass move before that was the brilliant one!
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Oct 3, 2022 06:07
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mortal posted:Was that a brilliant move, or a great move? A great move is the only good move in the position, so if your opponent hangs a piece, taking it is often a great move. A brilliant move is a move the engine (at whatever depth) did not consider to be the best move, but after it's made, it reevaluates it as the best move. unless they changed it again, a few years back chess.com changed it so brilliant just means "good sacrifice"
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Oct 3, 2022 06:11
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I've only been on chess.com a year so I wouldn't know about that but they definitely changed it a couple months ago so they are easier to get. This is from hearsay though, I virtually never sac and I've only had one brilliant move ever (which is no longer considered brilliant since the change)
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Oct 3, 2022 07:52
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neaden posted:At most it will be proof that Hans cheated online more than he admitted which everyone seems to already be expecting and wont change any minds on if he cheated OTB. But what if it is evidence of cheating in their big money events instead of some random games? I think there is sort of a history of not caring about online chess but that was already changing and then the pandemic and the chess boom have really shifted that. By which I mean this has been a well booked drama arc to lead into the CGC.
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Oct 3, 2022 08:24
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I don't expect the release to be especially dramatic, but still, if there's clear evidence that he has cheated online more extensively, then he was lying about his behavior as recently as the St. Louis interview a few weeks ago and it would be much harder to dismiss the past incidents as youthful mistakes.
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Oct 3, 2022 10:22
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Friendship with chess.com over, now lichess is new best friend. Zen mode + pentatonic sounds? Amazing. Analysis board, unlimited puzzles, this site has it all. How dishonourable is it to not accept an opponent's request to take back a move, when it's obvious they mis-clicked, but I'm in a losing position and capitalizing on it means I'll be able to win? I have a feeling the answer is "very, but tough luck, opponent should have been more careful in such a critical position". I've accepted take-back requests when positions are equal and it's obvious they were trying to Castle or something. I just needed that win, damnit.
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Oct 3, 2022 20:16
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stratdax posted:Friendship with chess.com over, now lichess is new best friend. never request nor accept a request for a takeback.
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Oct 3, 2022 20:46
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You can just disable takebacks in your settings on lichess, if you’d like to escape the weird ethical dilemma of deciding whether to allow them.
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Oct 3, 2022 20:50
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a goon once let me “take back” a move in a daily game by agreeing to go through a weird sequence and transpose to the move i intended to make. made for a weird little heartbeat in the game summary eval
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i would do the same if it was a goon i regularly play with but randos, no way
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stratdax posted:Friendship with chess.com over, now lichess is new best friend. I only accept (and request) takebacks in the single case of someone loving up castling the king, since it's pretty obvious what they wanted to do and happens not so rarely.
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Oct 3, 2022 21:41
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If they move then immediately ask for it I usually give it, especially if the move is bonkers. If they move, drop their queen, then request a takeback after the capture, I give them an endless string of time increases to help them think through their precarious position 
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I have it disabled in settings so it doesn’t even prompt me. I’ve never asked for one and I don’t really want to fret over whether or not to give one. OTB, for sure I’ll let people take back all day, but online? Let’s just get on with it.
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I request them only for castling when it decides you wanted your king on f1
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jesus WEP posted:a goon once let me “take back” a move in a daily game by agreeing to go through a weird sequence and transpose to the move i intended to make. made for a weird little heartbeat in the game summary eval Oh hey I think that was me lol Against goons or friends I'd do stuff like that especially early game cause I want a fun game of chess and most of them are unranked anyway. But standard is turn them off in the options. I also had to turn off click two squares to move cause it was causing huge amounts of misclick as apparently when thinking I can get wild with my clicking and who even moves like that instead of dragging anyway.
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Boom https://www.wsj.com/articles/chess-cheating-hans-niemann-report-magnus-carlsen-11664911524
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Oct 4, 2022 20:28
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wow, rip hans
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Can anyone copy the text out of the paywall?
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Nvm found it in a reddit comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/xvo7u4/wsj_chess_investigation_finds_that_us_grandmaster/ir22f7u/
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neaden posted:At most it will be proof that Hans cheated online more than he admitted which everyone seems to already be expecting and wont change any minds on if he cheated OTB. Behold the prophecy is has come true. Interesting that 4 of the top 100 have admitted to cheating, and potentially more accused. Edit: also it looks like they are saying he hasn't cheated since 2020, which could be consistent with him saying it was when he was 16.
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neaden posted:Behold the prophecy is has come true. Interesting that 4 of the top 100 have admitted to cheating, and potentially more accused. the article specifically says he was caught when he was 17 "The Chess.com report contradicts those statements. It says several prize-money events are included in the 100-plus suspect games and that he was live-streaming the contests during 25 of them. It adds that he was 17 years old during the most recent violations, which subsequently led Chess.com to close his account. A letter sent to Niemann included in the report notes “blatant cheating” to improve his rating in various games, including in one against Russian chess star Ian Nepomniachtchi, Carlsen’s most recent challenger for the World Chess Championship."
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Pulling this paragraph out as the sort of thing that Sub Rosa mentioned:quote:“We are prepared to present strong statistical evidence that confirm each of those cases above, as well as clear ‘toggling’ vs ‘non-toggling’ evidence, where you perform much better while toggling to a different screen during your moves,” Rensch wrote.
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It also notes that his otb elo pattern doesn't really resemble that of other young grandmasters, though it stops short of making an accusation
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I suppose the goalpost will now move to "Oh well he isn't cheating now" which is about as convincing as a 5 year old claiming they no longer wet the bed.
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FIDE's investigation I possible otb cheating (as well as a simultaneous investigation into Carlsen's behavior) is ongoing so the ride isn't over yet
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cheetah7071 posted:Nvm found it in a reddit comment: thank goodness the anal beads theory is still on the table
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The only big surprise is how stupid Hans was about cheating. Running the engine on the same computer? Really?
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Being good at chess does not make you good at tech, or have any idea what anti-cheat detection might be capable of
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